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Downloadable Blueprints for a 3D-Printed (Plastic) Gun: What to do?

w01fg4ng said:
It's clear no one here has any experience with plastic guns. But it's fun to see you guys pretend.
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I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you're a troll.

How about you prove me wrong and actually give some thoughtful arguments?

invegauser said:
there are plastics that are stronger than steel out there, believe it or not. so technically you can use a 3d printer to make a javelin (man portable fire and forget anti tank rocket launcher) that will hold up to the strain but joe blow or jane blow doesn't have access to those kind of plastics. what they do have access to is info passed along the net others carelessly leave in sight of them and seeing as they don't know any better, they will seriously hurt themselves and/or someone else in making such shoddy imitation of a weapon and thinking it is so cool.

the hard part is what kind of material do you use for the bullet. you can use just about anything for the majority of it but in order to have a more accurate projectile that will stand up to traveling to the target and still be lethal, some of it will have to be metal, especially to withstand the explosion from the propellant. there are ways of getting metal bullets around metal detectors but that is for a smaller number of bullets and being discrete as opposed to a larger number of bullets for larger numbers of people. also to note is that some metals do not set off metal detectors or even cause problems with microwave ovens, like copper and nickel respectively (depending on the amount and quality of metal). the effectiveness of said metals is to be questioned. also how to get explosive materials of any kind around the kind of sniffers used to detect such things like in some airports in america today.

it's actually easier and more effective to make a pipe bomb from things around your house or office than it is to use a crappy piece of plastic from a 3d printer as shrapnel that is more likely to fall apart on the way to deliver it than actually doing soft target damage.
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It's not just strength. The plastic also needs to stand up to the substantial heat and not wind up quickly melting or losing integrity. The rifling will have to survive too if you want accuracy.

And plastic for the bullet isn't gonna have enough mass to be very lethal.

Also, it's not like you can use just any plastic. Most 3d printers use an additive system. Melting plastic onto plastic to fabricate the shape. That means the melting point can't be very high. Which is a big problem when the detonating bullet will produce extremely high temperatures.
 
@w01fg4ng: true. out of respect i have for you i would say honestly if you wanna know about plastic guns, ask someone who makes them.
i'm not allowed by guvbermen to own a gun and if i had a 3d printer i'm sure they would be all up in my rusty sheriffs badge about it. barring that i would own one, print a "ghost gun" and let you know all about it brother.

to the room: i'm not clear on the laws at this time as i think they are being figured out as we go but there are some sort of regulations in place for people who make plastic guns like it has to be registered, you don't have to be licensed and there has to be a piece of metal placed in it. i'm not clear on the fact if you have to register with anyone if you even buy a 3d printer. like i said, things will develop as this continues.
 
invegauser said:
there are plastics that are stronger than steel out there, believe it or not. so technically you can use a 3d printer to make a javelin (man portable fire and forget anti tank rocket launcher) that will hold up to the strain but joe blow or jane blow doesn't have access to those kind of plastics. what they do have access to is info passed along the net others carelessly leave in sight of them and seeing as they don't know any better, they will seriously hurt themselves and/or someone else in making such shoddy imitation of a weapon and thinking it is so cool.

the hard part is what kind of material do you use for the bullet. you can use just about anything for the majority of it but in order to have a more accurate projectile that will stand up to traveling to the target and still be lethal, some of it will have to be metal, especially to withstand the explosion from the propellant. there are ways of getting metal bullets around metal detectors but that is for a smaller number of bullets and being discrete as opposed to a larger number of bullets for larger numbers of people. also to note is that some metals do not set off metal detectors or even cause problems with microwave ovens, like copper and nickel respectively (depending on the amount and quality of metal). the effectiveness of said metals is to be questioned. also how to get explosive materials of any kind around the kind of sniffers used to detect such things like in some airports in america today.

it's actually easier and more effective to make a pipe bomb from things around your house or office than it is to use a crappy piece of plastic from a 3d printer as shrapnel that is more likely to fall apart on the way to deliver it than actually doing soft target damage.
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why can't we get access to them? Most plastics/plasticizers are not drugs or regulated very heavily AFAIK.

What kind of plastics are stronger than metal? Source?
 
Licensed arms companies have done a lot of research in using plastic in small arms design. And that's any plastic they want, with metal reenforcement. Not just the one fairly weak low melting point plastic used for 3d printing.

Despite that, they have never produced a firearm that uses all plastic, or even partially plastic, for the key components like the barrel, breech block firing pin, springs, etc. What does that tell you about the feasibility of this concept.

Captain.Heroin said:
Youtube Videos about plastic guns in action? Please show me some examples. Do they blow up or work, like Jess said?

Do they just have parts that are plastic, or are nearly entirely plastic?
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This is a tricky challenge because a video might not tell us what the underlying components of a gun are made of. The receiver and various other components of various rifles have been made of polymer materials at various times. Which might at a glace appear to be plastic weapons. But they aren't of course. They are far too heavy to be all plastic, and the moving components are steel.

My point is, any videos presented might require a bit of close observation.
 
JessFR said:
Licensed arms companies have done a lot of research in using plastic in small arms design. And that's any plastic they want, with metal reenforcement. Not just the one fairly weak low melting point plastic used for 3d printing.

Despite that, they have never produced a firearm that uses all plastic, or even partially plastic, for the key components like the barrel, breech block firing pin, springs, etc. What does that tell you about the feasibility of this concept.
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Posts like this is why I'm glad to see you as a mod here. You're doing a great job.
 
@Captain.Heroin: the more advance technology for the printers themselves cost more than most people have or are willing to spend plus the higher ones are just not available to the general public. patents, modifications and built specially for those companies or organizations. the tech is still kinda fresh. there are practical reasons like they use the ones on the market to make the fun things or mess around with them but don't need surgical grade ones to print their own organ replacements. other than that idk.

the link below is just one of the first ones that comes up when you google. the guy in the article is trying to pioneer this tech and his name pops up more lately. the rest i would have to do back research on as my memory is still a jumble in some ways. i do research on lots of things and they actually already use a plastic polymer (nano tubing) of some kind that has the tensile strength of metal and has an attraction to other plastics of similar make up so they connect when placed near each other, bonding to form a tight connection.

that particular plastic has been used in some endeavors so far, specifically space and something industrial iirc (koffin). i also research other things like vantablack from time to time to see if it is applicable to topics like we are talking about now. if you google vantablack careful while staring at it even over the net, it's caused some people some temporary health problems like blurred vision, headaches and such. it is similar to staring into a black hole, you feel like your getting sucked in.

https://www.materialstoday.com/amorphous/news/plastics-as-strong-as-steel/
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Youtube Videos about plastic guns in action? Please show me some examples. Do they blow up or work, like Jess said?

Do they just have parts that are plastic, or are nearly entirely plastic?
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Oops. I meant I could imagine those videos where (usually) youths do stupid things and their friends keep a record for posterity.

So some kid gets access to a 3D printer where his mom works and makes a "gun" and his friends record it blowing up in his face and laugh, or the "oh #$%!" genre where he makes something that looks like a grenade (no explosives) and paints it or whatever and someone shoots him when he "fake scares" people and then you hear his friends freak out.

like that... I regret lowering the tone. *blush*
 
JessFR said:
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you're a troll.

How about you prove me wrong and actually give some thoughtful arguments?
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You realize you spent the entirety if your last post talking about my "terrorist career".

Now I could take that personally but it's obvious your problem isn't with me but with the concept if this thread.

Please take your own advice.
 
cduggles said:
Oops. I meant I could imagine those videos where (usually) youths do stupid things and their friends keep a record for posterity.

So some kid gets access to a 3D printer where his mom works and makes a "gun" and his friends record it blowing up in his face and laugh, or the "oh #$%!" genre where he makes something that looks like a grenade (no explosives) and paints it or whatever and someone shoots him when he "fake scares" people and then you hear his friends freak out.

like that... I regret lowering the tone. *blush*
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if I had a 3D printer, IRL, I'd probably print up a dildo.

w01fg4ng said:
You realize you spent the entirety if your last post talking about my "terrorist career".
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She was referring to anyone in particular who were to attempt 3D printing a gun. You obviously find guns distasteful, so it's clear her comments were not directed to you, whatsoever.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
She was referring to anyone in particular who were to attempt 3D printing a gun. You obviously find guns distasteful, so it's clear her comments were not directed to you, whatsoever.
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It was also a reply to my question.

I find guns a lot of things. I've owned two guns. Taste isn't an apt word.
 
Media screaming 3d ar15. Never telling that it's just the lower receiver. We can buy an aluminum 80% lower receiver with die and bits set for 60 bucks ( unregistered ) . I'd rather have a high end billet aluminum upper lower set that can drive nails at 600yds . This plastic gun scare is just to get the anti firearm people stirred up. Soooo many better firearms out there guys . Reminds me of the dumb ass bump stock. I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a bump stock .Im glad I came to this thread . Looks like a few like minded people here.
 
w01fg4ng said:
It was also a reply to my question.

I find guns a lot of things. I've owned two guns. Taste isn't an apt word.
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I deducted that from your prior comments. :|

She was being rhetorical, then, and not literally calling you a terrorist. No one is calling you a terrorist.

hikfromstik said:
Looks like a few like minded people here.
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I believe in the 2nd amendment. I'm against assault rifle/SMG/handgun bans.
 
w01fg4ng said:
You realize you spent the entirety if your last post talking about my "terrorist career".

Now I could take that personally but it's obvious your problem isn't with me but with the concept if this thread.

Please take your own advice.
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Well, you're right that my problem isn't with you but with this whole concept. And I think it's pretty obvious I wasn't calling you a terrorist, I was being humorous.

Man, I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it seems to me like you're largely disregarding the fairly extensive and repeatedly made points about why 3d printing is nothing to be concerned about.

Like, I've tried to explain several different ways and as clearly as I can why 3d printed guns are not a concern, but as far as I can see, either you're paying little attention to the explanations, or you honestly don't understand them. How else could I interpret it when I've failed to see much of any direct replies to these points?

Multiple times now I've written elaborate responses to your concerns to which you've replied with a post of 1,maybe 2 sentences that respond to none of it.
 
Thx CD! Love you.

I don't have a TV or a PC ATM so you guys just need to deal with my short posts and lack of fucks given about media.

My last thought on this topic has to do with those bright colors placed on the tips of guns of a childs toy that occurred sometime in the 90s almost simultaneously for all toy guns. They were supposed to make it easier for people like the police to know it's a plastic gun.

My how the lines continue to blur.
 
less is more sometimes.

w01fg4ng i agree with a lot on not paying attention to the media, it keeps a person sane today. (grinds my gears about those bright, plastic tipped toy guns.)

what i agree with you on Jess is plastic guns becoming widespread use in mass shootings is unlikely today. it is possible to create a very nearly perfect simulation of one but unlikely due to lack of access and info. the mass production of them and wide spread use wont be for a long time... hopefully not ever.
 
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