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Extremely detailed map of the 2016 presidential election

Me too! It would be fair to say I was shocked. In fact it was so surprising to me I've talked about to my wife several times. I grew up in Pinellas county. I always thought of it as not really part of the south. You know because so many people from the northeast and midwest moved down here back in the day. We moved down from Pittsburgh in '59 when I was 3. I started my job at NAS Jacksonville in '80 after I got out of college. I was in culture shock and had to come to terms that Jacksonville was more like part of southern Georgia than Florida. I would drive down to St. Pete almost every weekend to be somewhere that felt like home. At one point the guys at work ribbed me that they had calculated I had racked up the distance of a trip to the moon. We moved back to Tampa after I retired and my wife got a job offer at the Haley VA. I'm sure you know about it being from the Orlando area. Hillsborough county did go blue I think. Younger demographic.

We volunteered as poll watchers in the 2004 election in south Clay county up there. There was so much animosity towards us you could cut it with a knife. I was a little worried it might turn into violence.

In 2000 I got a letter from the Clay county election supervisor a month or two before the election telling me I was disqualified from voting because I was a felon. It was a '74 bust for three grams of cannabis in the Ocala National Forest. We were camping and snorkeling at Silver Glen springs. It was a felony way back then, but was pled down to a misdemeanor. I'm just glad they didn't find the acid. I had to hire a lawyer to get my voting rights restored. Needless to say not in time for that election. It cost me a bundle to get my rights restored.
 
Yeah, I was a poll watcher during the 2002 gubernatorial election and same story. Glad you got your voting rights back but bummer you couldn't vote in 2000. You could have knocked down Bush's lead to 536. Hillary did win Hillsborough in 2016.

I said in another thread somewhere that Florida really stops being the south at Orlando. Every time I go back to Tallahassee to visit FSU I experience culture shock. Tallahassee is a southern city. You hear thick southern drawls and if you ask for ice tea without saying unsweet, they bring you that tea so sweet it makes you sick to your stomach. Plus it gets cold there in the winter. Orlando on south is where the climate starts to take on a more tropical feel. My dad lived out his retirement years in Orange Park and I always thought Jacksonville was the most "hick" big city in the country. It seems strange now that pot laws were so draconian back then. In the City of Orlando (not Orange Co.) possession is now just a civil fine instead of a criminal charge.
 
Yeah the times have really changed for pot laws. That's encouraging. They need to allow psychedelic therapy for end of life anxiety.

You can really see the change in foliage when you drive from middle Florida with what a semi-tropical climate? to north Florida with an almost temperate climate. They used to grow oranges as far north as Ocala, probably further north, until they figured out statistically a freeze is going to wipe them out in X amount of years.

I had a friend with MS that lived in Marianna. I used to drive there to get pills. It was like going back to the 50's. He used to joke about the Dozier school for boys. I had some idea what was going on there but not what eventually came to light.
 
aihfl said:
I said in another thread somewhere that Florida really stops being the south at Orlando. Every time I go back to Tallahassee to visit FSU I experience culture shock. Tallahassee is a southern city. You hear thick southern drawls and if you ask for ice tea without saying unsweet, they bring you that tea so sweet it makes you sick to your stomach. Plus it gets cold there in the winter. Orlando on south is where the climate starts to take on a more tropical feel. My dad lived out his retirement years in Orange Park and I always thought Jacksonville was the most "hick" big city in the country.
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Yea Florida is odd like that, the Northern part is still the South and everything in the south feels like a different country. I spent some years in Orange Park/JAX myself. I wouldn't consider the city itself hick town but the surrounding area is definitely redneck. I used to have 4 wheelers riding by my house on the sand roads with Battle flags on them almost every day. I didn't really mind being a hick myself and I thought the the race relations were a lot better than back home in the deep south. Everyone seemed to get along well as long as they weren't involved in any of the gang wars. I only moved because of all the violence in the city. After the third drive by on my neighbors I thought it best to leave for the county. Lived out there for about a year before someone hacked up my new neighbor with a machete for his pain medication.

This map is really interesting. My home town is a 70%/30% in favor of Trump which is what I expected. When I voted last year there were a lot of Hillary supporters that showed up but were turned away because they'd failed to register to vote. I saw several large groups turned away while I was standing in line. The line itself was longer than I had ever seen it. Lots of first time voters showed up in 2016. I do hope everyone that failed to register in time went out and did it and will show up next time. I only saw one group not being civil because they were denied a chance to "be part of history" as they kept yelling. I don't understand why they raised so much hell at a polling volunteer when it was their fault they hadn't registered especially with the constant commercials telling everyone they needed to get it done ASAP if they wanted to take part.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Surprised more than 10% of my neighbors voted for Trump. Looks like nat'l socialism never went out of style :|
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So... I've noticed you keep referring to this as national socialism. I've noticed several of your posts using the term. Now, you can say whatever you like as far as I'm concerned. But I am curious. Why do you use that phrase, and what exactly is it you're referring to by using it? Like, from context I've been assuming you're pretty much using it as a substitute for calling something fascist. But... why not then just call it fascist?

I just find it confusing cause I'm really not sure what you mean or think you mean by using the term national socialism.
 
JessFR said:
So... I've noticed you keep referring to this as national socialism. I've noticed several of your posts using the term. Now, you can say whatever you like as far as I'm concerned. But I am curious. Why do you use that phrase, and what exactly is it you're referring to by using it? Like, from context I've been assuming you're pretty much using it as a substitute for calling something fascist. But... why not then just call it fascist?

I just find it confusing cause I'm really not sure what you mean or think you mean by using the term national socialism.
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closing off the borders, denigrating one racial/ethnic group for all the problems, getting the wealthy wealthier.

the main difference is that he's stripping away good regulations, leaving bad ones; but he's also doing horrible over-control of the economy through the tariff war and this type of strangle-holding free enterprises, as well as holding the media to be an enemy of the people and only supporting state-sponsored media, very much so is reminiscent of national socialism.

"There were good and bad people on both sides" = directly means he believes that there were good people on the side of far right fascist neo-nazis. If that's not an open endorsement for national socialism, I don't know what is.

Promising the workers their jobs, a good life, blaming the Mexicans (or Jews) is very much so nat'l socialism rhetoric, almost as if he's channeling Adolf Hitler from beyond the grave.

Trump is also a fan of egregiously violating people's constitutional rights at almost every place he could have. :|

When we have had disagreements with previous presidents, normally they're about rather benign issues or positions. Trump's radical far-right policies are dangerous.
 
Also his association with Bannon is unquestionably slighted toward that ideology.

If you see it the way I do it’s pretty clear what way Trump leans.

I’m OK with the travel ban and so is the Supreme Court; but detaining illegal immigrants at the cost of Zika/AIDS research is deplorable.
 
I don't know, I don't think Trump's policies are national socialist but they are strongman-ish, populist and far-right. Definite fascist overtones, and I get a strange sensation from his supporters that it is blind allegiance to TRUMP rather a support of someone with good policies/not a total cunt. I actually think calling him a Nazi almost dilutes the actual term, there are genuine Nazi scumbags out there and I can't say Trump is quite that terrible. However, the fact that he hasn't actually rejected the support of these groups is hugely troubling. If you don't reject Nazi's, you're not a Nazi by default but you're a fucking pissweak apologist appealing to the absolute lowest common denominator to gain/keep power.
 
I'm referring to him as a national socialist, which is exactly the kind of ideology and rhetoric he uses.

He's not a nazi. Of course they'd think of him as a race traitor, as he is one. I sincerely think they'll probably shoot him one day. The gov't will have to scramble to frame someone who isn't white (9/11 much anyone?) and then we'll start a war with Iran.

It's kind of disgusting. A centrist president wouldn't be the straw that broke the camel's back and started WWIII :|

We needed Hillary.
 
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