Benzos (thienodiazepine) Etizolam Megathread V2

[CoastTwoCoast]

My main source I was using over a year is completely gone! Vanished. I just happened to look and I don't see the site anymore. All I can do is warn you guys not to get too dependent because you never know when your source will dry up or get shut down.

Luckily, I have Gabapentin and phenibut so I haven't been worried about seizures or going through horrible withdrawals. Benzo withdrawal is nothing to play with. It can kill you.

 

[anon56789]

I think the research benzos are worse. I have been addicted to everyday benzos and research ones. I didn't just suffer forgetting what happened directly after taking them, it was hard to recall the entire time period I abused them. The best way to quit is try to find Valium. That stays in your system a long time. I just stopped taking everyday and only took around day 5 when I could really feel the W/Ds, then I would try to go another 5 or more days before another dose. Eventually I just quit. I think opiate W/D is worse, benzo withdrawal just has longer physical symptoms but not the horrid depression.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

Opiate withdrawal won't kill you. It just feels awful. Benzo withdrawal CAN kill you so it's much worst if you go cold turkey.

Etiz blackouts are horrid. Kinda glad I can't recall all the dumb shit I did. Just lucky to be alive.

 

[aihfl]

I think opiate W/D is worse, benzo withdrawal just has longer physical symptoms but not the horrid depression.

All WDs are bad, but benzo WD is the worst. Even worse than alcohol IMO. I can take feeling like shit better than I can anxiety so extreme that you just have this impending sense of doom like the world's going to end and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Phenpsycho]

As of recently I have treated myself to some etizolam after having been on a benzo-free diet for the better part of a year...I have a toxic relative who came to my city to visit and I felt obligated to meet up with him but didn't want to do so without my lens of perception slightly fuzzy and I figured a short acting anxiolytic would do the trick. I took a 2mg capsule on a full stomach as i'd just eaten about 15 mins prior and found my way to the recreation center where we had a quick coffee and a swim.

I still felt a twinge of anxiety on the way there and the come up was so gradual I slipped right into benzoland without any of the euphoria I remember from my previous escapades with this chemical as I ascended out of sobriety, but i'm putting the lack of a punch down to taking it with food still in my stomach. At any rate when I arrived at my destination and had my company in sight the anxiety and tension I would normally have felt was drastically reduced and I actually had a pleasant visit/swim, actually much better than I anticipated and I wonder now whether we would have jived better together naturally with all the time thats passed since our last meeting or whether the etizolam just does a really good job of making me see the good qualities, it's hard to say.

Unfortunately when the 2mg fully hit it brought me right to the edge of blackout territory and once I had made it back home I realized there were huge chunks of memory missing from earlier in the afternoon. As I tried desperately to recall whether I had done anything foolish I found my effort to be in vain and I began to panic which led me in my inebriated state to quickly retrieve another 2mg capsule and swallow it to find relief. Luckily the second capsule calmed me down enough that I didn't reach for another and another and another until all my etizolam disappeared. I also talked to my relative the next day as he was to fly back home and he didn't mention noticing anything amiss so it all worked out fine in the end.

My concern now and the reason i'm posting this is because I have been rather hesitant to take any benzos/thienos since overusing them and going through a nasty withdrawal and subsequent PAWS from that usage and i'm wanting input as to whether it is likely I will re-enter into withdrawal if I keep to using them sparingly(3 times a month at the absolute most). I find there's a use for benzos still when i'm faced with extremely stressful situations I would normally avoid altogether but I don't want to fall back down the rabbit hole as benzo withdrawal is HELL. I keep reading on other sites about people who only use a single Valium and get thrown back into withdrawal after going through PAWS previously or even that drinking beer can cause the same outcome. Is this really possible or are they all just bullshitting and going on binges or something? I've consumed beer sparingly since the PAWS subsided and I didn't notice any negative outcome, same with the etizolam, no rebound anxiety or anything. Ideally if it's safe to do so i'll stick to the short acting stuff but I do have longer acting benzos, for those ones would 3 times a month be cutting it close? I'm thinking maybe only once a month for the longer half-life ones would be a better rule to set for myself but maybe i'm just being overly cautious...

Btw, the re-dosing of etizolam was a mistake that occurred because I started off with too high of a dose to begin with. I've never had a problem with re-dosing unless I take a dose high enough to cause a brownout/blackout to begin with. I'll be halving the capsules from now on to avoid that in the future, all the other anxiolytics I have are dosed in single dosing units.

 

[mostly-human]

I'm worried I'm getting dependent on benzos. I've been taking either lyrica, soma, or xanax everyday for a month, I did abstain for single days here and there and felt fine so just kept telling myself i wasn't addicted so it was ok to keep using everyday. hope i'm not dependent, should stop for a few days hopefully i can sleep.

After a month, depending on your history, you should be "ok". However - you shouldn't push it much longer. Also, even after a month, you may not suffer from serious WD symptoms, but IME you can definitely expect some serious anxiety. That's only natural after binging on anti-anxiety meds.

 

[mostly-human]

... whether it is likely I will re-enter into withdrawal if I keep to using them sparingly(3 times a month at the absolute most)...

I don't have much experience with serious benzo addiction and/or withdrawals.

However, I have extensive experience with opiates. I have no idea whether this will be true for benzos or not. But with opiates, if there has been a history of abuse, addiction and withdrawal - especially if this cycle has repeated multiple times - then the unfortunate reality is that even using opiates sparingly in the future, can bring about quite intense WD symptoms.

It can even get so bad, that I can for example go more than 6 months clean, use heroin for just a 1 or 2 day period and then suffer quite intense withdrawals for up to a week.

And if I'd been clean for that same period, 6 months - and then binged for a week or so, I'd basically become "completely physically dependent" even within that span and I'd go through full withdrawal at the end of the binge.

Whereas - an opiate naive person can binge for a month or two and experience almost no withdrawal.

At any rate, my intuition is that it would be similar with benzos - or any substance that makes you physically dependent - I think because your body literally adjusts to these substances and learns how to 'cope' while on them, by either producing or not producing certain chemicals/enzymes. As a result, I suspect you'll suffer the same fate with benzos - if your body decides it needs to adapt to the benzo intake, you may find that even once you stop using after a very brief lapse, your body will continue in its 'adapted' state, which in turn will cause you to experience withdrawals, while your body is essentially conditioning itself for a benzo intake that is never coming.


Pretty much, once you fuck up and become a proper addict, I think it's for life.

 

[Phenpsycho]

I don't have much experience with serious benzo addiction and/or withdrawals.

However, I have extensive experience with opiates. I have no idea whether this will be true for benzos or not. But with opiates, if there has been a history of abuse, addiction and withdrawal - especially if this cycle has repeated multiple times - then the unfortunate reality is that even using opiates sparingly in the future, can bring about quite intense WD symptoms.

It can even get so bad, that I can for example go more than 6 months clean, use heroin for just a 1 or 2 day period and then suffer quite intense withdrawals for up to a week.

And if I'd been clean for that same period, 6 months - and then binged for a week or so, I'd basically become "completely physically dependent" even within that span and I'd go through full withdrawal at the end of the binge.

Whereas - an opiate naive person can binge for a month or two and experience almost no withdrawal.

At any rate, my intuition is that it would be similar with benzos - or any substance that makes you physically dependent - I think because your body literally adjusts to these substances and learns how to 'cope' while on them, by either producing or not producing certain chemicals/enzymes. As a result, I suspect you'll suffer the same fate with benzos - if your body decides it needs to adapt to the benzo intake, you may find that even once you stop using after a very brief lapse, your body will continue in its 'adapted' state, which in turn will cause you to experience withdrawals, while your body is essentially conditioning itself for a benzo intake that is never coming.


Pretty much, once you fuck up and become a proper addict, I think it's for life.

Hey, thx for relaying your experience with opiate WD. I didn't know opiates had a similar phenomenon to kindling like GABAergics, at least that's what it sounds like to me with my admittedly elementary understanding of neuroscience. As I stated earlier though, i'm a curious person and I allowed myself to drink a beer here and there after I felt the PAWS had ended to test if sporadic use of other GABAergics acting similarly to benzos would cause any noticeable withdrawal once the effects wore off and I couldn't detect any symptoms, same with the dosing of etizolam.

I know it's playing with fire and I could get burned at any time if my brain decides to go into withdrawal mode in anticipation of a resumption of my previous frequency of use, but if I refuse to go down that road and only use infrequently i'm hoping the pseudo-withdrawal if it occurs will only be fleeting. My pipe dream is that the conditioned response could be overcome and I will be able to partake in benzos like they were meant to be taken(very rarely) and that it won't invariably cause me to go into any instant withdrawals but who knows...I know my tolerance is reset back to nil since taking such a long time off judging by the fact that I came close to a full blackout off of 2 mg, but it would definitely climb quick if I used subsequent days in a row. I can't bring myself to discard all of my downers so i'm trying to take them responsibly, even if it's risky business. They make me functional in some situations where I would be a mess or even a complete mute so I have to choose whether i'm comfortable being dysfunctional in those times or if I want to try to use these things responsibly and not abuse my help.

Kratom has been an ally as of late too with making me more motivated in a productive and social sense but I can't be taking that everyday or i'll be in the same boat or worse than I was last year as it's already losing efficacy and I don't want to ramp up my intake, so i'm trying to cycle through things. I was completely sober and just trying to get by with psychotherapy, meditation and supplements for the longest time but the gravity of my mental issues are such that a completely sober approach is worse than having a monkey on my back so to speak, I would rather be dead than a shut-in crippled by my inhibitions. I'm trying to tow the line now and not go balls-to-the-walls in either direction...gradual, small doses of sobriety I can handle, being in my 'base' state of mind 24/7 though leaves me in a very dark place I don't wish to return to. Having no regard for anything and not giving a hoot about life is my base state when I end up settling into sobriety. My mind is a bad neighborhood I try not to visit very often

 

[StellarPuc]

Good info on equivalence. I was curious about the conversion from golden standards, like Alprazolam in particular. Thanks for sharing

 

[Soulfake]

I have tried many different Benzos and Etizolam was the most unique one. It is one of the greatest drugs I have ever experienced besides truffle Shrooms, Weed, Oxycodone and a few others. Even at only 1mg I get an insanely good rush of physical euphoria, my body feels totally relaxed with an euphoric feeling rushing through all my extremities, as if each muscle would get a light massage with an extra "smooth energy type buzz" (the feeling some people get from certain stimulants like Methylphenidate, Amphetamine, Meth or Opioids). Walking feels extremely nice, sometimes when I took 1-3mg and stood up I just walked a bit through the room and letting me "fall/glide" onto the floor where I would tense up my muscles and relax them for some time (I can´t remember the correct word even in german at the moment, I´m a bit too high) which felt really nice ^^

This is nothing compared to other benzos, some give me a nice euphoric feeling too like Alprazolam or Methylclonazepam but it´s always just on the "typical benzo level", Etizolam however feels quite different (Probably also because it is an Thienodiazepine although analogues of Etizolam didn´t have that certain difference in my experience). Usual Benzos give me a nice muscle relaxation or dependent on the type also a stimulating feeling, sometimes it´s also a bit euphoric but I would compare the Etizolam-euphoria more with opioids, in some way I find it even better than most opioids in normal dosages, the only thing that comes close are 40mg Oxycodone without any tolerance or 150-250mg Tianeptine. The euphoria also isn´t the typical feeling that people with anxiety experience when the benzo starts working as I don´t have any high anxieties.


So I wanted to ask if anyone knows a currently legal rc benzo that comes close to Etizolam? I heard that Bromazolam is similar or even way better according to some comments. The only other available one I haven´t tested yet would be Flunitrazolam where some people also stated that it´s better than Etizolam but some said that they like it´s more hypnotic effects which I don´t want because Eti is perfect in regards to sedation, in low doses it is more activating as I feel so relaxed yet not "head tired" that I start to organize random stuff and always like to do something. I also get an incredible creativity from Eti - the probably most important point in making it my favorite benzo, I have so many ideas, can solve problems and thought processes I procrastinated for a long time because of my usual lethargic/phlegmatic behavior for which I haven´t found a daily solution yet (other than amphetamine which I can´t consume because of my driving license, but I have some hope to get it prescribed in the future).

The best thing about Etizolam in general was that it really has some kind of reverse tolerance. Of cause you have some kind of "withdrawal" but even after about 3-4 month´s daily consumption of 0,5-3mg it only caused a very clear-headed state which even gave me an "illumination/epiphany" in 2012 since when I haven´t had any kind of anxiety at all (and many, probably indescribable other positive effects too), so in my experience the Etizolam withdrawal was even extremely positive but I guess that depended very heavily on my personal situation in terms of the mind set, other substances I consumed and the general "history" that led to the enlightenment)

A study about the reverse tolerance (which is quite disputed in the forum discussions)

In a study that compared the effectiveness of etizolam, alprazolam, and bromazepam for the treatment of generalized anxiety disorder, all three drugs retained their effectiveness over 2 weeks, but etizolam became more effective from 2 weeks to 4 weeks, a type of reverse tolerance.[13] Administering .5 mg etizolam twice daily did not induce cognitive deficits over 3 weeks when compared to placebo.[14]

When multiple doses of etizolam, or lorazepam, were administered to rat neurons, lorazepam caused downregulation of alpha-1 benzodiazepine binding sites (tolerance/dependence), while etizolam caused an increase in alpha-2 benzodiazepine binding sites (reverse tolerance to anti-anxiety effects).[15] Tolerance to the anticonvulsant effects of lorazepam was observed, but no significant tolerance to the anticonvulsant effects of etizolam was observed.[15] Etizolam therefore has a reduced liability to induce tolerance, and dependence, compared with classic benzodiazepines. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etizolam) [15]

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

I could never do Etizolam at only .5 mg twice daily. It always slips into blackout territory after you cross a certain dose and next thing you know, your whole stash is gone and you don't remember days of your life. Extremely dangerous. Even 2-3 mg could easily cause a blackout.

Dave Chappelle used to make fun of Rick James saying "Cocaine is a helluva drug." That could be changed to "Etiz is a helluva drug."

It beats out any benzo, any opiate and any other drug I have ever tried. I do genuinely have anxiety. Etiz not only completely kills anxiety, but it gives me euphoria and makes me feel like I can conquer the world. Until the inevitable crash. There's a show called "The Sinner" where Jessica Biel was on some drug and can't remember months of her life. That's what this drug can do. I wish I never ever discovered it. I've been battling that demon for years. A demon that could very well be the death of me one day. I pray to God it won't.

Some people say they don't get that kind of euphoric high from Etiz. I wonder if it's just a bipolar thing. Phenibut also triggers euphoria and mania instead of making me sleepy, nowhere near as incredible as Etiz though. Would be nice if there could be a poll about how many experience such euphoria from it.

 

[luff]

I'm worried I'm getting dependent on benzos. I've been taking either lyrica, soma, or xanax everyday for a month, I did abstain for single days here and there and felt fine so just kept telling myself i wasn't addicted so it was ok to keep using everyday. hope i'm not dependent, should stop for a few days hopefully i can sleep.

Try to cut down while you can. "single days here and there" probably aren't going to show if you have a dependency.

That said, a month most likely isn't going to result in a serious dependency/addiction (everyone is different though).

Honestly if you are worried about potential addiction take a break or slow the hell down on gabaergics. Addiction ain't fun... You know your body/personality better than anyone here, so if you are worried please take a break.

 

[skinchipsanpeas]

Etizolam is one of the most useful drugs i have ever encountered, but ive found that to get the most benefit requires discipline. I have been taking it for around 4 years, but have restricted my use only to counteracting anxiety/stress in order to sleep. Im prone to insomnia and if stressed or anxious i often cant sleep. I may go for weeks on end without any sleep problems but often there is at least one night per week when insomina strikes, this can lead into a cycle of sleep deprivation and the anxiety and other problems this brings including more insomnia. Ive found 1mg of etiz enough to cut through any stress or anxiety and the nice 6-7 hour duration means i can take it as late as 1-2 am and not feel wobbly in the morning if i have to drive or whatever. In fact, i generally feel very pleasant and relaxed the next day. In all i probably on average take it no more than once a week or less, even in difficult weeks i try and resist taking it more than a couple of times. My fear is that i'll become dependant if it gets too regular which i would hate. Its hard to resist sometime cos its so nice! But so far ive avoided any recreational use other than as a comedown cure or way of forcing sleep if im high.
With this regime i could probably go on for years, i have sought medical help for insomnia but CBT is suggested rather than meds and to be honest i doubt id get proscribed anything as good as etzi. As long as you have some willpower this is a very useful and user friendly drug.

 

[Lobsterbutch]

Hey guys Where can I find these without ordering online, any of the three anlogues? Does anyone know if theyve ever found them in New jersey at a gas station/smokeshop or Hippie store.

I get it, i need the same thing, but bluelight isn't here to help you find research chemicals or online drugs. Its against the site and forum rules (literally every forum here has a "no sourcing, no prices, no buying, and no selling rules). You should read the forum rules, you might get booted if you try too hard "searching" for sources.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

Good Catch Lobster, TY. Yeah Bandit this was a long time ago but it still doesn't fly. Feel free to read posting standards or the blua in my sigline.

Everybody else, Etizz the season.

 

[Lobsterbutch]

haha I totally didn't even realize that his post was from that long ago. Lately I've just been reading and zinging with the absolute minimum acceptable attention to details.

 

[Lab Assistant]

I had a lot of fun with these. Was able to get them in abundance from Japanese online pharmacy before the ban was introduced. After this, Nikkon pharmacy was happy to ship an Indian version which worked just the same. That ended when I received a warning of prosecution from customs if I persisted to import it. Had to taper using diazapam to avoid panic type feelings on cessation.

It is a short acting Benzo (6 hours I think). It also has some action on serotonin which definitely contributes a lot in IMHO. Of course, as with all tolerance develops quickly. 1mg is equiv to 10mg of Valium, albeit with effects more akin to xanax. Be wary of taking too much, as something in the formulation can cause a strange aggravated state that you may regret in hindsight. Stick to irregular use as the dependance and subsequent withdrawals are very unpleasant, difficult to taper due to short action. If you find yourself in that situation, tell you doctor and do a slow taper using diazapam to reduce discomfort.

It is a nice recreational experience for me, with a notable high. Always start with 1mg as to not knock yourself out. As with all, have caution, don't dose daily because it will be a waste due to tolerance and need for higher doses. Once a week should be fine, just be careful because it is easy to lose control through lack of inhibition and notable anti depressant action. I hope I haven't just repeated what has already been said.

Be mindful, have restraint and you are sure to enjoy the experiences as much as I did. Stay safe good people! Cheers.

 

[ShroomySatori]

^I was on an absurd dose for a very long time, and have not much else to add.

If you have a proper benzo habit it is not a suitable replacement imo. I am much less stable on it and it changes the way I socialize in a strange way. In hindsight I'd rather be mellowed out and slowed down on alprazolaml; I had such a tolerance I could take 60mg every day and be fine. Whereas a couple xanax bars will put me to sleep now. They were not interchangeable or me. There was a time when I only had etiz and it was irritating. It is so abusable because of the lack of sedation develops but you can take higher doses for euphoria, and well to get high. I find no benzo recreational as I am a panic freak. Perhaps bromazepam or midaolam but they are few and far between.

Nasty potential side effects with the prolactin thing and also I hear skin lesions. Eye twitches too are more common. I will never use etiz again it is an awful med to be on for chronic anxiety, just way too in the background and abusable and the prolactin thing always turned me away from it it seems particularly prevalent with etizolam. I think alprazolam is much safer for long term use, or a lighter benzo. This one almost reminds me of oxy in a sense.

 

[sonicteamaajm]

Is etizolam still viable to buy in the UK anymore?

 

[JBrandon]

Just poppin? In to say for the third goddamn time in my life, I WD?d from etiz after using it with meth, and holy shit, that WD is absolute hell on earth. Ruined a family vacation for the second year in a row, thanks polydrug addiction!