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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

zephyr said:
Ok

Yes I sound like a dictator and would think some kind of action is better than waffle and indecision as clearly there is no one capable of looking at the big picture of the gun problem in America as most don't think therefore one.


Since there is no gun problem, then it won't matter to anybody should they all disappear magically or by force or if a giant magnet swoops overhead and steals them.


So the only guns left are in the hands of the military and some other licensed and known rural people who need to kill animals and the law enforcement.


Assume a coup has happened. Just pretend. By the army as it is.

I predict that there will be a few people upset they can't have one. Oh well.


There won't be any need to have one to protect against bad guy with guns.


Cops will kill less people as the old "he pulled a weapon and it turned out to be a potato's excuse wouldn't fly,


No one would give a shit about the NRA ?

No mass shootings


Maybe there would be some improvement in school shootings.



I'm pretty sure you would cope quite well.


Without the guns.


You real!y don't need them. If you do really need them surely that's a problem?
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I wanna again point out that getting rid of the guns doesn't stop the criminals having them as I've seen repeatedly first hand.

As for the coup, the problem is what you suggested, if done in reality, would be an entirely and blatantly illegal action by the federal government. The same level of illegal as say, trump deciding he's president for life.

It's also a total violation of states rights. You'd have to send the army into those states to get the guns. Those states all have governments of their own, and those governments all have a national guard, an army of its own.

Those unhappy people, they might not fight back much on their own, because they can't without risking their lives. But their unhappiness will be felt by their state governments, and those people CAN fight back without immediately risking their own life. And since they've seen the federal government doesn't give a shit about the rules and has essentially just undertaken a coup, who's to say they won't come after them next to get rid of any challenge to their power? It could start a civil war. And far more could die for that with no certainty anything would be better once it's over.

That's why it's a terrible idea. You'd have to do it legally, and you can't do it legally for reasons I've explained several times already.
 
undiminished689 said:
You really don't understand the reason to the 2nd amendment do you?
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the 2nd amendment is so that you can rise up and fight government tyranny.

undiminished689 said:
The thousands of FEMA camps built around us?

Or just things like the Patriot Act or Freedom Act.
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great examples of government tyranny! what are you waiting for?

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alasdair
 
Can we just ignore him? I'm at that point now.

Seriously, FEMA camps again? I'm so sick of hearing this shit. You just know if FEMA did nothing they'll be blamed in the next emergency, then when they do prepare for emergencies people get upset about that. It's retarded.

So, I live in Australia, I'm not Australian but I live here. I've seen LOTS of heavily armed criminals. Now, fairs fair, that's no doubt an unusual experience most Australians won't relate too. It's because of the kind of social circles I've been around related to my extremely high heroin addition. But I've seen plenty of guns around. Which is one of many reasons I find it hard to take gun control seriously. I know people who've been shot by criminals. Now admitidly they're all themselves criminals but the point is, the guns are there. People just don't see them. Most people only interact with it directly if they're mugged and most muggers aren't gonna take a gun because they don't need one, and it could get a much worse penalty if caught.

This can't be that surprising though, if the heroins here the surely the guys with guns are here to guard it.
 
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@Jess

Ya so if there's a storm of massive propitiation that blows out entire cities it's gonna totally not effect the internment camps either?

Please explain that logic. Please explain why FEMA order millions of bullets. Please explain when the government gets involved in crisis relief efforts like PR, Katrina, East St Louis, LA race riots that they totally just did a wonderful job of keeping law and order

@alas

And I'm waiting for people to not be sheep so if I went Agaisnt the state I'm a revolutionary not a "lone gunman with mental health problems" and then have this dumb conversation in the first place about how we need to ban guns. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Government tyranny. This literally shouldn't be a debate
 
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undiminished689 said:
@Jess

Ya so if there's a storm of massive propitiation that blows out entire cities it's gonna totally not effect the internment camps either?

Please explain that logic. Please explain why FEMA order millions of bullets. Please explain when the government gets involved in crisis relief efforts like PR, Katrina, East St Louis, LA race riots that they totally just did a wonderful job of keeping law and order

@alas

And I'm waiting for people to not be sheep so if I went Agaisnt the state I'm a revolutionary not a "lone gunman with mental health problems" and then have this dumb conversation in the first place about how we need to ban guns. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Government tyranny. This literally shouldn't be a debate
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No, sorry but I won't explain anything. Because I already have done this dance countless times, and I'm just sick of it. You won't believe it no matter what I say. Believe what you like, but I count this as a conspiracy theory and I decided some time ago that I wouldn't waste any more time arguing about conspiracy theories unless it's one on one in a private setting and with someone I think is open to and understands the basics of scientific reasoning. In any other instance I don't discuss it anymore.

Sigh, for what it's worth, it's nothing personal, I'm just burnt out on this one. I've known too many conspiracy theorists in real life and gone over it too many times.
 
@Jess

Well why don't u explain ur position thousand and onectomez.

I'm perfectly reasonable guy I just don't understand why thousands of concentration camps are just conveniently are just located outside of major cities.

Please tell me why this makes sense to you maybe I'm missing something, if not then stop the trash talking cuz I'm obviously right and ur opinion is incorrect and fake news
 
Mmm.. Nah, I think I'll keep saying it and also not explain it. :)

I probably would have made an exception if your post had ended half a sentence earlier.

I dunno if you're trolling, but even if you are this comment stands because I've seen others do this too. But I've noticed that people are starting to take this "fake news" insanity and applying it to things that aren't and were never meant as news at all.

One of the biggest reasons I don't wanna get into it is I tend to think if you need an explanation why it's absurd, you're probably already way too far gone to discuss this sensibly anyway.
 
@Jess

Well I'm just so happy I have an Aussie trying to tell me what's fake news and what's not IN MY OWN country and then just doesn't have the backbone to tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about massive government camps being built IN MY OWN COUNTRY.

Ya totally bruh. I believe you. The camps are built with extra concrete withstand storms lol
 
undiminished689 said:
@Jess

Well I'm just so happy I have an Aussie trying to tell me what's fake news and what's not IN MY OWN country and then just doesn't have the backbone to tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about massive government camps being built IN MY OWN COUNTRY.

Ya totally bruh. I believe you. The camps are built with extra concrete withstand storms lol
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Fake news!

It's funny not just cause you clearly haven't paid much attention to my previous posts, but because the FEMA camps themselves actually really ARE fake news. Like, in a real literal sense rather than a Trump bs sense. As in something portrayed as news which is totally made up. As opposed to "someone said something I don't like which makes it fake news, even though it's neither fake nor news"
 
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Sources then. I've seen videos they look like they could be an American auschwitz.

Barbed wire, total containment, guard towers, please provide sources then
 
Most of the "FEMA" camps these types believe in aren't even FEMA affiliated. They're just vaguely menacing looking properties that are claimed to be secret FEMA camps. It's totally impossible to try and disprove it to the true believers because any proof against it is taken as proof that it's being covered up.

undiminished689 said:
Sources then. I've seen videos they look like they could be an American auschwitz.

Barbed wire, total containment, guard towers, please provide sources then
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Why should anyone listen to you? You're secretly a communist FEMA agent. And if you claim otherwise I demand sources!
 
undiminished689 said:
Valid point.

But then it's like why are they there in the first place?
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OK man you win, I'll bite. They aren't there in the first place. Most of the supposed FEMA camps I've seen aren't even FEMA affiliated, and the ones that are are usually shown out of context. It's funny, if someone challenges the existence of a conspiracy, the conspiracy theorists demand proof. Even though you can't ever prove a negative anyway. Yet at the same time, if they watch say, a YouTube video of someone claiming to have worked in the air force who has seen aliens, they take that as fact. They don't insist on any proof that the supposed air force vet ever served in the air force or where they served and when, they just take the claim that's consistent with what they wanna believe as fact immediately and never question it. They only question what they don't believe and assume good faith in anything they do.

OK so.. FEMA, In the event of a disaster, there has to be facilities to house lots of people. Some of these facilities weren't purpose built and have been taken over from a previous user, so they won't always be entirely consistent with their current intended use.

Also in such a disaster, many people could be dead, and then we gotta deal with the bodies and potential biohazard risks, which means we need security and lots of body bags. It's all perfectly within the scope of what FEMAs job is. Yet conspiracy theorists wanna believe it's all a plot so they make it all sound evil and bad.
 
Why the fuck would I need sources for my personal experience?

Would you rather they just left people to squat in filthy conditions in the case of a disaster? That's the point of them.
 
So let's say if I made video on YouTube. Of places that aren't FEMA camps because they dont exist can I get you to my level of woke?

I live in Illinois I can start there with. Or is it just utter denial, on the statist?

Ur argument is not only are they not FEMA, they just don't exist?
 
@invegauser

This is my argument that people are willingly denying reality. And if Jess argument is that they don't exist I will travel miles 3-5 hours away from home on weekend to prove her wrong.

I will do it and the whole "crazy conspiracy theorist" talk will change to "statist sheep" talk
 
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