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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

Well Trump sent thoughts and prayers. How nice.

SJ, I do think normal people care and can only imagine the terror of someone shooting in the workplace and the horror of coworkers being killed. I just wish we had a president that anyone could say they were proud of at these moments.

No head scarf comments yet? I'm waiting...
 
V interesting that you fired tracer rounds.

You’ve never shot tracers? There not as dramatically effective as one might think, but statisatlly they probably increase accuracy. I think people need to bring more liberals out shooting. I do it all the time with friends, and 90% of the time it’s a red pill experience. We started out rough cduggles, but I think I see where you are coming from, I get it. Just open your mind to things you wouldn’t normally consider. Doing things that way has really expanded my horizons :)
 
Hahaha swillow. Honestly I am, but I’m just reactive to my personal experience. I enjoy my life having lived in very liberal places and conservative, but I feel like subscribing to one mindset isn’t objective. Being anti gun is denying human nature and history in favor of pop culture based emotion.
 
The news is now saying this woman apparently did have a motive specific to youtube. Supposedly she was another one of the mistaken belief that youtube is public property obligated to honor her free speech, and when they didn't, she felt she would show them for violating her nonexistent right to say retarded shit on a private website by violating their real right not to be shot in the face. But again, this is the news, and they don't exactly wait for certainty. I remember when 9/11 was being reported as an accident and the virginia tech shooter was a chinese man. An few hours wait is far, far too long, people need to know the news now even if it's completely wrong.
 
The news is now saying this woman apparently did have a motive specific to youtube. Supposedly she was another one of the mistaken belief that youtube is public property obligated to honor her free speech, and when they didn't, she felt she would show them for violating her nonexistent right to say retarded shit on a private website by violating their real right not to be shot in the face. But again, this is the news, and they don't exactly wait for certainty. I remember when 9/11 was being reported as an accident and the virginia tech shooter was a chinese man. An few hours wait is far, far too long, people need to know the news now even if it's completely wrong.

It’s a public utility at this point having 85% of market share with competitors having a unrealistic barrier to entry. They have the ability to silence any voice they want whether it be a right conservative free speech advocate or as in this case, a liberal peta member looking for a voice.
 
We've already been over this. You know I think that's bullshit so why get into it again?

EDIT: Actually no, I do have a question. Where do you get this 85% number from? What market does that market share represent? I think this is a bullshit lie by people who wanna force their views on private companies. I see no reason nor has anyone given me a reason that anyone with even modest technical knowhow can't start a website and put any videos on it they want.

I've said this before too, but you don't have a right to an audience, and regardless, websites go big out of obscurity all the time, so arguing you can't start a website that becomes higher profile unless it's started by one of the big companies is bullshit too. It's all bullshit used to try and enforce viewpoints onto private entities. That's the real rights violation here.
 
"YouTube announced last month that it would ban content promoting the sale of guns and gun accessories as well as videos that teach how to make guns."

i'm drained from researching something else... ^ is that legal?

Of course it's legal. It is a private website. They can ban whatever content they like for any reason or no reason. The internet is public and you have a right to freedom of speech on the internet and I'll fiercely defend that. But YouTube isn't "the internet". Start your own site if you wanna publish that shit and if anyone tries to stop you then, then you'd have my support.

You start saying the government can forcefully regulate content on private websites because ignorant people feel its their private playground, where does that line get drawn? How soon till becoming popular forfeits your entire intellectual and property rights right then and there? How soon till a private operation run by private people has to PAY MONEY to advocate positions they disagree with because their private endeavor was deemed public. And how long after that till that arguments used to impose decency standards because "its public". It already happens in other countries very unsuccessfully. In Australia officially all websites available for Australian use are technically publications and legally able to be censored for reasons of decency and public expectation. It's unenforceable and that shows but it's still wrong in sheer principle.
 
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In general I don't believe in the suppression of knowledge, both in principle and also because I don't think it works. But yeah, legally you have a right to free speech generally on the internet as a communications medium, but not for private services. It's a little complex because of the nature of how the internet works. But that's the gist.

Personally I don't buy this whole "teens demanding something be done about gun violence". I'm sure it exists to some degree of course, I just have this strong suspicion that a lot of it is a manipulation of perception and a media invention. Ive long held that suspicion but it recently for a big boost when I happened to stumble on an article that said someone apparently did a rough count at one of those students for gun control March type things, and found 90% of them were too old to be in school. And several of the ones young enough were there more because it was advertised as a different kind of event, likely to try and increase the numbers of teens and make it look better. It all screams manipulation to me. Get a few kids and a huge number of adults then advertise it as kids marching not to be shot. People wanna believe it so they don't question it.
 
Then they should offer users an option to "hide all gun-related videos".

Removing gun videos exposes an agenda. We realize they have the right but it doesn't make it right.
 
I feel like internet is already censored. It?s just big business and government conspiraing against the masses. Former business owners go to governors to help out their companies. Absoulete disgusting corruption.

I?m sure like for food regulations you have ppl from Monsanto being on gov boards you will have ppl from YouTube being on internet information regulation boards.

I can?t go a day without finding a reason to hate the state
 
I feel like internet is already censored. It?s just big business and government conspiraing against the masses. Former business owners go to governors to help out their companies. Absoulete disgusting corruption.

I?m sure like for food regulations you have ppl from Monsanto being on gov boards you will have ppl from YouTube being on internet information regulation boards.

I can?t go a day without finding a reason to hate the state

The great thing about the internet is its virtually impossible to effectively censor. It's too late to do anything like that effectively now. But being ineffective doesn't make it any less wrong to attempt.

Honestly I'd be a lot more sympathetic if I really thought there weren't any other realistic options to getting your view out there to interested audiences. But I don't, at all. I think it's more that YouTube makes it more convenient and cheaper and more visible. So not being able to put it on YouTube is an imposition. But hardly an insurmountable one. If it were I'd be more sympathetic to the argument that action should be taken. But even then I'd likely be more in line to go with trying to enforce better competition rather than keep the status quo but control it.

And really, there's a lot of conspiracy theorist types out there. As I've said before I don't think very highly of conspiracy theorists, but I completely agree that they have a fundamental right to say it. And I simply don't believe that a group, or even a modestly well resourced individual couldn't start a conspiracy themed video sharing website. There are already other well known conspiracy theory related websites out there, all you need for video sharing is more bandwidth and maybe a couple half decent web programmers, maybe. And if YouTube really were to censor it all, I just don't believe that the combined resources of the conspiracy theorists if they were really motivated couldn't fund their own private conspiracy YouTube. And if anyone ever tries to censor that then I'll be happily outraged by it.
 
As stated I agree ppl can get their views out through other websites.

I?ve actually visited a couple of white nationalist websites and they seem to be taken down the most. Holocaust denial websites gone. 404 error. The state invests a lot of money into phoney ppl online, they have internet monitoring teams, kinda like the NSA but for the internet.

Tell me how the internet cannot be censored?
 
Well, it can and it can't. They can try to censor it, and in doing so they can make things difficult and cause trouble, but in the end there's no truly effective way to censor it.

The reason is that, no matter if in hindsight they'd consider this a mistake or not, fact is governments past set up the internet without much thought to the long term repercussions. The focus was on enabling communication, thoughts about truly censoring it wouldn't take real hold until people realized how big and important it would one day become. And governments past made the strategic decision that they were still better off overall of everyone had access to secure encryption than if nobody did. The nature of cryptography means the only secure algorithms are ones that are open and vetted world wide. There's just no way to have both good encryption for yourself AND not enable it for everyone else too. And it was decided that the government would rather be sure its secrets would stay secret, and the online financial systems could work safely, even if it meant their enemies had access to the same abilities.

As a result, we have a global communications network that can be made completely secure, virtually anonymous, and impossible to censor. I say can be, not is. In reality as we all know security beaches happen all the time. But it is almost without exception because of the same reason every time. People who don't understand encryption thinking that logically a public encryption algorithm can't be as safe as one you devised yourself, when in fact the opposite is true because it's impossible for a small group to match the combined intelligence of the entire world, either in skill or raw attempts. Every broken encryption scheme in history just about has been due to this mistake. Mifare transit cards, DVD encryption, WEP, WPS.

So, if we really really had to, we could have the internet enable communications to be totally safe and secure. But in reality that's often not the case because people are complacent,and ignorant. So, the government can try to censor things, have minor victories where mistakes were made. But in the end, so long as you and I can establish a secure connection to each other over an unsecured channel, which we can. The capacity is there. So they can try, but they can't ever win the battle for the internet. Because what's required for their victory would destroy the global online banking system with it. And they may wanna censor us, control people, but they'll never risk the money for it. Even then that's a hypothetical. It's already too late, the damage is done (from their perspective). I'm speaking hypothetically, if one day asymmetric cryptography is cracked by quantum computing or whatever, and the opportunity arises for them to try change things, the reason they still wouldn't is it would hurt them too much in the process.

Either everyone can be secure or nobody can. And since people screw up plenty on their own, any sane government, evil or not, corrupt or not, would elect the status quo over an alternative. Effectively censoring people isn't worth the enormous damage to themselves and society from the destruction of the digital financial system. Not to mention state secrecy.
 
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You?ve never shot tracers? There not as dramatically effective as one might think, but statisatlly they probably increase accuracy. I think people need to bring more liberals out shooting. I do it all the time with friends, and 90% of the time it?s a red pill experience. We started out rough cduggles, but I think I see where you are coming from, I get it. Just open your mind to things you wouldn?t normally consider. Doing things that way has really expanded my horizons :)

Your horizons were narrower? It's difficult to imagine.

Thank you for some levity, invegauser! :)
 
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YouTube Shooter Confesses Motive in Video Rant Against Google Censorship; They Want Thought ?Slaves,? Harass ?Outside the Box? Thinkers (VIDEO)

http://https://truepundit.com/youtube-shooter-confesses-motive-in-video-rant-against-google-censorship-they-want-thought-slaves-harass-outside-the-box-thinkers/


Police won?t have to look far for a motive of why Nasim Najafi Aghdam took a gun into YouTube on Tuesday and started shooting workers.
Then turned the gun on herself.

YouTube had censored and harassed her videos, according to a video manifesto, while allowing similar videos from Hollywood personalities to prosper on the video-sharing platform.
 
Hmm, yeah, the company has questionable motives, so you need to shoot some of the employees, they obviously deserve it... yeah, take that Youtube!

...Meanwhile Youtube rolls on, and some families have lost a mother/father.

Being anti gun is denying human nature and history in favor of pop culture based emotion.

That's a pretty ridiculous blanket statement.
 
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