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Are meat eaters allowed to judge another persons ethics?

^ In all my years watching 'Real' documentaries, I've only learned that it's someone with a bridge to sell.
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I would rather have a quick slice or a metal ball thrown into my brain than be left out in the wilderness with no city walls.
 
You keep avoiding the tiny box or cell you'll be confined in for your whole life without ever living free for one minute. Especially if you are a chicken or a pig.

You want to justify ignoring all their captive suffering so you can go on doing what you do. Why not be honest and admit that?

That zebra lived the full free life of a Zebra for many years and her death will only take a few minutes or less in almost all cases
 
Why do vegans put all meat eaters in the same category as people that support factory farming? Easier to demonize all omnivores that way?
(Many) vegans are narcissists that have failed to do proper research. A high-fat diet from healthy animal products is much healthier than a low-fat/high-carb vegan or vegetarian diet.

Agriculture destroys topsoil and entire ecosystems.
Animals graze the land and live symbiotically with the environment. One can eat meat and cause far less environmental damage than a vegan.

The difference between pasture-raised meat and the diseased factory-farmed supermarket meat cannot be stressed enough.
It's like saying organic food and mcdonalds is the same.

I also love how vegans think they know exactly what animals want or how they think. Should we form an animal legal system and try animals for assault and murdering each other?
Veganism is the denial of the natural order.
 
Ya but when we are destroying the planet to feed our appetite in no way does that justify eating meat.

Not to mention that ummmmmmm if u ever look at ur jaws they are not designed to eat meat. We are herbivore jawlines without argument to that
 
I don?t understand how being a vegan makes u narrsastic knowing u actually did research and choose to live a life style most ppl are too spineless to live like
 
Cosmic Trigger said:
You keep avoiding the tiny box or cell you'll be confined in for your whole life without ever living free for one minute. Especially if you are a chicken or a pig.

You want to justify ignoring all their captive suffering so you can go on doing what you do. Why not be honest and admit that?

That zebra lived the full free life of a Zebra for many years and her death will only take a few minutes or less in almost all cases
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Battery cages aren't the only method used in "factory farming". Although it does keep the chickens from killing each other. I don't have to justify turning off an animal with the brain of a calculator, I don't even remember my circumcision. I shouldn't have to argue for better ethical treatment of plants what with the tiny pots they have to house them in or the artificial lights that bathe them. You don't want to hear about how plants should be in an open field with no pesticides and grown with natural lights.

I'm sure that Zebra is sitting there thinking; "You know, they may be eating my liver and lungs as I sit here, defeated, but I sure do appreciate all the time I had in life running away from these monsters. It was a good life."
 
Cosmic Trigger said:
That zebra lived the full free life of a Zebra for many years and her death will only take a few minutes or less in almost all cases
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Full free life of starvation, terror and avoiding predators every day of your life? Sure sounds like a pleasant life to me. You know, the cruelty and suffering in wild life is a big reason many biologists turn atheist, because no sane god would allow such atrocity to be the norm. A life confined to a small cell with all the food you want and more, only to be killed quickly and painlessly, doesn't even sound so bad after all - especially if you've got a brain the size of a peanut.

As for ethics, I personally don't care either way. I eat meat whenever I feel like, which is quite seldom. Still, I don't care about factory farming or suffering of animals (or random humans for that matter, but then again one might call me a psychopath), them and us being nothing more than biochemical machinery - if one wants to feel pity, look at plants. Just because we don't share the same neurological circuitry as them, doesn't mean they can be killed by the billions with impunity.

I avoid discussion with determined vegans like the plague even though my wife used to be vegan until she saw reason. The only subject that is worth discussing is the nutritional one. Many vegans suffer from malnutrition because it is actually hard to come by the same compounds in sufficient amounts in a plant-only diet (although not impossible). It's sad actually.
 
Majority of biologists are Christian and a plant only diet doesn?t lead to malnutrition.

I don?t know in what world do u live in where it?s like you wake up in the mourning, you have pot of coffee, a cig, wash ur face, and then look urself in the mirror and be like ya m8 vegans are malnourished. When uve seem like African commercials about starving children how do u even begin to compare that?
 
undiminished689 said:
Majority of biologists are Christian
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Same goes for many physicists and chemists, which makes me sick as well as potentially causing apoptosis in at least a million neurons each time I think about it.

I don?t know in what world do u live in where it?s like you wake up in the mourning, you have pot of coffee, a cig, wash ur face, and then look urself in the mirror and be like ya m8 vegans are malnourished. When uve seem like African commercials about starving children how do u even begin to compare that?
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I don't indulge in coffee or cigarettes, and I don't do any of the other things either. Going to ignore the irrelevant reference to African children for now...

Vegan diet often causes malnutrition because it doesn't contain the same proportions of essential compounds that an omnivorous diet (humans are omnivores btw) does. For example, vegans often suffer from iron deficiency that they have to take supplements for, among other things. Excess methionine has been proposed to decrease lifespan in animal models. However, as I said previously, any and probably all of these can be avoided if you have the resources and knowledge, however it's very impractical. Again, back when my wife was vegan we researched the topic to find a diet that would be plant-only and would be as good nutrition-wise as an omnivorous one, and the result was at least 2-3 times the cost plus sourcing products not readily available everywhere. An assfuck to be honest.


 
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Ya bruh most of ur inventors are probably white Christian men I hope that doesn?t kill the little SJW thing u got going against God. Ur free to be an atheist I?m not really gonna attack that, it?s just a logical fallacy to be an atheist in my mind

However I respect the fact you said knowledge on vegan diet prevents malnourishment. Case and point.

Knowledge is power.

However, I do make an argument that I actually save more money on a vegan lifestyle by far and wide tho. Beans and rice, non organic fruits, vegetables, Kale hello have u seen those bags for 3 bucks? Not eating out pretty much ever. And then it?s like water and a salad,

Nutritious the same yes if ur eating right. Most ppl don?t eat right at all. Vitamin B-12 and Iron the enemy of vegans. Yes but it?s a trade off like meat being naturally carcinogenic and full of steroids and sh*t. Ur trading off different health problems from food but I think I like the opition of somethig that doesn?t give me this hangover feeling and makes me naturally more leaner especially being a boxer.

The China study of how most them are pretty much veg ppl? Right? I?m gonna look into it anyways
 
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Still, I don't care about factory farming or suffering of animals (or random humans for that matter, but then again one might call me a psychopath)
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Oh ok I get it, nevermind. Just curious about one thing though. Would you care if I was to strap you down and get out the drills and hot pokers and have a good time on you?
 
undiminished689 said:
Ya but when we are destroying the planet to feed our appetite in no way does that justify eating meat.
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Yet vegans are ok with agriculture destroying environments to feed them. Check out how an ethical farm operates

undiminished689 said:
I don?t understand how being a vegan makes u narrsastic knowing u actually did research and choose to live a life style most ppl are too spineless to live like
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One either hasn't done enough research or they enjoy the false sense of moral superiority they get from believing in this cruelty-free diet nonsense and looking down on (healthier) omnivores.



23 Studies on Low-Carb and Low-Fat Diets ? Time to Retire The Fad
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets
 
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That?s actually good you brought up the environment m8 because a vegan based diet would cut the amount of acreage for farmland for a meat eating diet in half. 40 percent of the earth is used for farmland at this moment and I would HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest you watch cowspiracy if u just want to go over the basic economics of what it takes to sustain a omnivorous diet. There are more farm animals than people on the earth think of that and there?s like I think it?s was a billion cows.

And I know exactly where ur coming from with moral superiority and that?s the kind of talk you would do to take down a self righteous liberal. Understandly I get ur argument but this is a case where I?m preserving life in all forms with a vegan/ vegterain diet compared to a omnivorous diet.

And I disagree on healthy omnivores compared to vegans. People in general just don?t know how to eat right so it causes health problems on both sides
 
It doesn?t have to be though. I?m a conscience being I?m not an animal living in the wild killing without a thought just so I can eat and live.

If there?s a solution to me not having to kill an animal to survive why not take it?

Youve seen factory farming that is just unsanitary and barbaric it is it doesn?t have to be that way animals don?t need to go through that just so I can stay at home watch porn and binge watch the office all day. You know what im saying?
 
Arguable. Vegans will compare themselves only to people who consume factory-farmed products, and most are completely oblivious as to how much suffering their morally-superior diet actually causes. To deny reality is the complete opposite of what vegans claim to be doing. It has become a political ideology instead of a search for the truth.

Why You Should Think Twice About Vegetarian and Vegan Diets
https://chriskresser.com/why-you-should-think-twice-about-vegetarian-and-vegan-diets/

The Myth of the 'Ethical Vegan'
https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-myth-of-the-ethical-vegan/?singlepage=true

There is No Such Thing as a Vegan
https://medium.com/@drewfrench/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-vegan-361202bd3345

Thinking of Becoming a Vegetarian? Well, You Can?t.
https://newsblog.drexel.edu/2016/02/24/thinking-of-becoming-a-vegetarian-well-you-cant/

Lierre Keith on 'The Vegetarian Myth - Food, Justice and Sustainability'
https://www.sott.net/article/230120...getarian-Myth-Food-Justice-and-Sustainability
 
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