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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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This might be old news here as it's from November but apparently Trump had some kind words for Filipino President Duturte about his handling of drugs in his country. By handling I mean the murder of thousands of people suspected of being either drug dealers or drug users. If anyone on this site is a Trump supporter for some reason, they should know about this.
 
jesus christ. how can anyone claim to care about america or law and order if they're openly advocating for both summary executions and the dissolution of the constitution?

Because, my friend, people are fucking idiots. :\ It's mass brainwashing.
 
This might be old news here as it's from November but apparently Trump had some kind words for Filipino President Duturte about his handling of drugs in his country. By handling I mean the murder of thousands of people suspected of being either drug dealers or drug users. If anyone on this site is a Trump supporter for some reason, they should know about this.

it is old news, but it never hurts to remind everyone that the president hates the rule of law and supports vigilantism and summary executions.

Because, my friend, people are fucking idiots. :\ It's mass brainwashing.

it was mostly rhetorical tbh. i can't imagine how painful the cognitive dissonance these people suffer through every day, assuming they legit hold the positions they claim rather than merely using them as a convenient excuse to cover blatant and obvious bigotry and xenophobia.
 
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Xorkoth]l[/B] don't read Internet comments anymore on news sites because it's too depressing, but Yahoo flashes the most recent 3 across the bottom of the screen constantly. I remember a little while ago there was an article criticizing some ridiculous Trump thing that day... the 3 responses were "FAKE NEWS", "Go Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!" and "See, this is why we need to take EVERY news person from every network except Fox out back and EXECUTE them". :| It was chilling, because some person truly feels that way. And if one does... so do many others.


I truly believe that this is some sort of mass hysteria on a large scale. Some people are very easily manipulated. It really proves the theory that one out of three people are complete morons. I have theorized that it was more than that, however. These are the people who will for example allow a spouse to abuse their children and deny that the abuse is occurring or not that bad. They have undeniable evidence that person is a monster, yet they live in denial because at one time they saw some sort of quality to them and refuse to be proven wrong.
 
Since Trump was elected I have found myself almost feverently keeping up with the latest political news like never before. It's such a satisfying feeling to watch him humiliate himself and utterly fail as a leader. While his performance and actions can be potentially devastating for our country, I look forward to his inevitable impeachment like a child waiting for Christmas morning.

I often wonder if it is even possible for the commander in chief to establish a fascist rhetoric here in America. I understand that we have constitutional safeguards for this sort of thing yet is it possible for it to happen so gradually that we wouldn't even be aware it was happening until it was too late? Will it be when we're on a train to spend a lifetime in a prison camp that we say "hmmmm this doesn't seem right, I kinda miss human rights." I've never been an alarmist and mocked those who fed into the fear state but the Trump presidency is scary/hilarious.
 
Yes, it's absolutely possible is the answer. Written safeguards only work if the government follows them.

Citizens are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, demonstration and association

That's from the north Korean constitution, translated into English. Chapter 5, fundamental rights. Article 67.

The constitution isn't the safeguard. It's the symbol. The safeguards are the expectation that they'll be followed. And expectations can change.
 
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The constitution isn't the safeguard. It's the symbol. The safeguards are the expectation that they'll be followed. And expectations can change.

a constitution is The Law, from which all laws subordinate to it gain their legitimacy and by which the country is granted sovereignty. not following the constitution means the rule of law no longer applies and the country has basically deteriorated into a failed state.
 
Riiiight. Your point being?

The question is if that could happen to the US. That question suggested we had safeguards protecting us with the constitution as the example.

My point is that the constitution is enforced by people and the constitution in isolation doesn't do anything by giving the example of North Korea constitution.

So what's your point?
 
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JessFR][/B]Yes, it's absolutely possible is the answer. Written safeguards only work if the government follows them.


Citizens are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, demonstration and association


That's from the north Korean constitution, translated into English. Chapter 5, fundamental rights. Article 67.

The constitution isn't the safeguard. It's the symbol. The safeguards are the expectation that they'll be followed. And expectations can change.


Wow. Thanks for the reassurance, bud. But for real, reading that excerpt from the North Korean Constitution spooked me, especially after learning that Trump requested a parade to showcase our weapons in order to intimate our rivals. I'm beginning to suspect that I somehow slipped into an alternate universe when I wasn't paying attention, it's the only explanation i can think of.

I suppose at the end of the day, it's just a piece of paper. Hopefully, there's enough reasonable people left in this country to stop a fascist regime from gradually infecting us. I still hold on to the hope that reason will prevail.
 
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The question is if that could happen to the US. That question suggested we had safeguards protecting us with the constitution as the example.

My point is that the constitution is enforced by people and the constitution in isolation doesn't do anything by giving the example of North Korea constitution.

no, i know. the rule of law only matters so long as the government is willing to respect it. this administration doesnt, and has done and continues to do everything they possibly can to undermine and subvert the judicial branch, the only real check against their agenda since the GOP is happy to finally be able to implement the shit they've always wanted to but never could. if it comes down to it i'm really hoping there's enough in the military that remember they have a duty to not follow illegal (unconstitutional) orders, that their oaths bind them to the constitution and its defense rather than the government, and that if things get too bad they will mutiny. and this is exactly why trump wants his own private army and private spies, which are beholden to him rather than the country. its still unclear if we're headed for despotic fascism, civil war, or if we'll weather this storm and come out better for it. really though its a slow enough process that its really probably only establishment of authoritarian regime vs impeachment, whichever comes first.
 
no, i know. the rule of law only matters so long as the government is willing to respect it. this administration doesnt, and has done and continues to do everything they possibly can to undermine and subvert the judicial branch, the only real check against their agenda since the GOP is happy to finally be able to implement the shit they've always wanted to but never could. if it comes down to it i'm really hoping there's enough in the military that remember they have a duty to not follow illegal (unconstitutional) orders, that their oaths bind them to the constitution and its defense rather than the government, and that if things get too bad they will mutiny. and this is exactly why trump wants his own private army and private spies, which are beholden to him rather than the country. its still unclear if we're headed for despotic fascism, civil war, or if we'll weather this storm and come out better for it. really though its a slow enough process that its really probably only establishment of authoritarian regime vs impeachment, whichever comes first.

Ok I'm back and this time, super duper stoned. I'm accompanied by my friend an unidentified purple Indica. We did a little research ( emphasis on little) on authoritarian and fascist regimes rise to power. Now, first, of course we have checks and balances in this country by dividing the government into 3 branches so as to not allow too much power to one party. The house and the Senate have Republican majority. Everyone knows that (go out and vote next year!) Wowwie! Balance! So who's checking the executive branch? No, seriously, who?

From what I've gathered, authoritative regimes like to invoke fear internally and externally. *Caugh* deep state, Islamiphobia. They love them some private military and while I recall Trump mention his interest in private military during his campaign, other than a meeting with the guy behind blackwater a few months ago, I haven't seen any progress here, yet. Trump not following through with his campaign promises? Say it ain't so! So...ok less scared now.

Another trait in authoritative regimes is controlling/censoring/criticizing the media. Hmmmm... I don't think Trump has ever done such a thing. Haha no. As everyone who has a pulse knows, this is trumps favorite mouth diarrhea. Let's see, accusations of "fake media" which is practically a meme now. No need to elaborate it's in our faces all the time. A scarier brain shart: His proposal to file lawsuits against news outlets and journalists who report anything that breaks his thin skin. Oohhh I'm getting scared again.

Lastly, all the hottest fascist leaders believe opposing views are equal to treason. Boy, are dictionaries fake news too? Anyways, the most recent example that comes to mind is when Trump accused Democratic politicians of treason for not clapping during his state of the union address. Sometimes my dog makes noises that clearly aren't English but he's obviously trying to communicate something to me. Ive never clapped my hands for his efforts, am I a traitor? Maybe!

This is clearly not a thorough assessment but I at least I feel smarter ( emphasis on feel)

I would like to make clear that I should not be taken seriously. I'm just dealing with my fear in a humorous way. There are worse ways to deal with fear as the wise and adorable Yoda puts it:

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
 
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Uh oh.

“Stormy Daniels may have more than just her words from a 2011 interview to back up past claims of an affair with Donald Trump – she has kept a gold dress from the night of the alleged encounter,” The Blast reports.

“We’re told Daniels is planning on having the dress forensically tested to search for any DNA that proves she isn’t lying about her tryst with Trump, including samples of skin, hair or … anything.”
 
That this affair is something anyone cares about instead of all the relevant shit trump has done to render himself clearly unfit for office says a lot about how fucked up the public priorities are. They care more about the idea of the president cheating on his wife and lying about it than his childish temper tantrums on Twitter. Or his endorsement of a a leader who's massacred his own people as good drug policy. Or lies upon lies about more relevant political issues.

What business is it of anyone's if he had an affair or not? I don't really think it should matter that much. And especially not compared to the more pressing and relevant issues with his fitness for presidency.

Am I missing something here?
 
That this affair is something anyone cares about instead of all the relevant shit trump has done to render himself clearly unfit for office says a lot about how fucked up the public priorities are. They care more about the idea of the president cheating on his wife and lying about it than his childish temper tantrums on Twitter. Or his endorsement of a a leader who's massacred his own people as good drug policy. Or lies upon lies about more relevant political issues.

What business is it of anyone's if he had an affair or not? I don't really think it should matter that much. And especially not compared to the more pressing and relevant issues with his fitness for presidency.

Am I missing something here?

Personally, I don't really care about the affair, I do however, find it both hilarious and not surprising. "You mean the same guy that would barge in to beauty pageant dressing rooms unannounced and bragged about grabbing pussy had an affair with a porn star? Whaaaa?"
 
It's about last on my list of concerns for sure, but I do find it... interesting... that Bill Clinton was actually impeached for having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, while this is more or less brushed off as "well yeah, that's Trump", or in my case, who fucking cares, there's so much worse stuff to be concerned about from this guy.

For the record I thought it was stupid when Clinton got impeached for it, and I don't think Trump should for it either (not for the affair... the attempts to establish a fascist regime on the other hand...). But the hypocrisy is stark.
 
Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for having an affair, he was impeached because he was caught lying under oath in an official investigation. The president gets impeached so that legal charges can be brought against them. Since the affair itself isn't a crime, you can't get impeached for it.

The circumstances here don't compare with Bill Clinton like that.
 
You're right, sorry. Still, the Republicans made a HUGE deal about it morally. I guess my goal was to point out the hypocrisy.
 
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