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CFC said:
Eh, I'm not sure how many admirable things us Brits did really; some pretty questionable acts in our history :\

As for The Bomb - it's the Brits, Canadians, French and a few other Euro nations who you yanks need to be thankful for ;)

The Germans are the ones who gave you the rockets to deliver them nukes to the Soviets post-war. And the Soviets used their stolen Germans to send Sputnik into space :D
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You guys have Martina Cole (author) and she is the boss! Enough said!

PS my family is from Ireland
 
bptubbs said:
I have a ww2 era French rifle, never fired, only dropped once.=D
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Lol....that was funny. :)

I had a book of combined French and Italian war heros...

But there was a gentle breeze and it was so thin it..blew away......

(That's a bit unfair.....especially with the French....but still....jokes don't have to be accurate....just mildly amusing)
 
I may be a bit biased in regards to the brits, I have very close relatives in London, so being about half English myself, and the other half German might tilt my views a bit.

I love Canadians as well, so polite.
 
Backfromthebrink said:
Lol....that was funny. :)

I had a book of combined French and Italian war heros...

But there was a gentle breeze and it was so thin it..blew away......

(That's a bit unfair.....especially with the French....but still....jokes don't have to be accurate....just mildly amusing)
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If we're being honest, I think the last war the French won was under Napoleon, who iirc, wasn't even French. Of Italian descent In fact.
 
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bptubbs said:
If we're being honest, I think the last war the French won was under Napoleon, who iirc, wasn't even French.
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Ach, they 'won' WW1 really - they're given so little credit for inventing the first proper tank (the Renault FT) and using it in massed formations to cripple the Germans in the last months of the war, and for producing a huge quantity of ammunition, shells, explosives and stuff like an abolute majority of all the Allies' aero and automobile engines (like, most US and UK aircraft were basically French powered).
 
Backfromthebrink said:
Lol....that was funny. :)

I had a book of combined French and Italian war heros...

But there was a gentle breeze and it was so thin it..blew away......

(That's a bit unfair.....especially with the French....but still....jokes don't have to be accurate....just mildly amusing)
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I forgot you were a war buff hey mate! I'm more of a general wars/military and history buff, you probably know far more than me about WW2 :)
 
Lol, always so serious cfc, twas a joke. The French also were exceptional at guerilla style warfare. Picking apart the German war machine from the inside.
 
I ain't rarely serious lol ;) It's just my typed voice, and I like talking about history :D I actually sound a little like Randy Rainbow in my head...
 
CFC said:
Eh, I'm not sure how many admirable things us Brits did really; some pretty questionable acts in our history :\

As for The Bomb - it's the Brits, Canadians, French and a few other Euro nations who you yanks need to be thankful for ;)

The Germans are the ones who gave you the rockets to deliver them nukes to the Soviets post-war. And the Soviets used their stolen Germans to send Sputnik into space :D
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One of the great failures of Germany in WWII was the incredible amount of resources spent developing missile technology. I think they spent more money developing missiles that carried modest payloads and virtually never worked than the US spent developing the atomic bomb.

But those German scientists later helped the US and Soviet Union refine missile technology and allow us to strap nukes onto them.
 
CFC said:
Have you been outside SA much? I'd love to visit there, and also Botswana and Zambia :)
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No I have never been out of SA at all.

My grandfather was born in Ireland (on my dad's side) and my father was born in Zambia and grew up in Kitwe (they immigrated here to SA when he was 12)

Its a beautiful country you should come visit most definitely

You would love the Western Cape its gorgeous!
 
CFC said:
I forgot you were a war buff hey mate! I'm more of a general wars/military and history buff, you probably know far more than me about WW2 :)
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I've studied WW2 to quite some extent yeah...

Actually, to a rediculous obsessive extent :)

But only the European theatre and mainly the Westerm Front feom D- day through to the end of the war (although western involvement pretty much ended at the Rhine crossing and some penetration of the West Wall for all intents and purposes....battle for Berlin was a pure Soviet affair)...

I find WW2 history and firearm development and technology fascinating... my own military career notwithstanding..

I don't think there's a YouTube or documentary series in WW2 I've not seen....although I'm currently addicted to a channel called The Great War about WW1...

WW1 was such a pivotal moment for military history. ..that turning point where modern instruments of killing overlapped with 19th century tactics and thinking before mechanized warfare really became a thing is what makes WW1 so unique...

In terms of firearms development too, the popularization of the submachine gun, self loading rifle, General Purpose Machine Gun, aireplane, tank etc...while not specifically invented during WW1 certainly became widely used for the first time during it..
 
WW1 is fascinating. The usage of horses for combat, combined with the begginings of modern technology, as you said, unique. Definitely helped to shift the style of warfare more towards modernity.
 
Slow_Mobius said:
One of the great failures of Germany in WWII was the incredible amount of resources spent developing missile technology. I think they spent more money developing missiles that carried modest payloads and virtually never worked than the US spent developing the atomic bomb.

But those German scientists later helped the US and Soviet Union refine missile technology and allow us to strap nukes onto them.
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Yes! They spent more on their dopey 'V' weapons against the Brits than the US and UK spent in total on the Manhattan project. The Nazis made all kinds of stupid mistakes though throughout the war. But it's a miracle they beat the French in the first place, given how the odds were really not in their favour against the world's No1 military land power at the time.
 
It was the pervitin that did it lol.

In all honesty some of the German battle tactics were really quite brilliant, the blitzkrieg tactics for one. Fast calculated high impact attacks give little room for reaction.
 
CFC said:
Yes! They spent more on their dopey 'V' weapons against the Brits than the US and UK spent in total on the Manhattan project. The Nazis made all kinds of stupid mistakes though throughout the war. But it's a miracle they beat the French in the first place, given how the odds were really not in their favour against the world's No1 military land power at the time.
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The whole flaw in the V2 was that it only had a 1 tonne warhead...a single B17 had double that capacity and by that stage in the war, 1000 bomber raids were common place...

So basically 2000 times the firepower in a single raid without any real improvement in accuracy and a substantial decrease in range..

Totally ineffective...not to mention the fact that Hitler insisted on them being targeted at London where they had zero tactical effect as oppose to targeting the Normandy beachheads where they could have actually done some damage...

People often wonder why the Allies never put any real effort into having Hitler assassinated, but the truth was he was better off to the Allies alive than dead such was the devastating impact (on the Germans that is) of his strategic blunders by the later stages of the war..

The V2 however ineffective as a weapon in WW2 did give rise to the Saturn rocket system that courtesy of Von Brown and his conveniently forgetton Nazi past put the first man in the moon.
 
bptubbs said:
It was the pervitin that did it lol.

In all honesty some of the German battle tactics were really quite brilliant, the blitzkrieg tactics for one. Fast calculated high impact attacks give little room for reaction.
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The genius of Blitzkrieg was mainly they way it used combined operations of air, armour and infantry together in a single attack...before that, these 3 arms often worked independently of each other (and inneffectively)...

There were (are) disadvantages of course....mainly the risk of over extending your supply lines with too rapid an advance
 
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