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US Politics The Mueller Investigation - report is out

Keyword "accused". No evidence.
Still.
Also ironic that we have evidence of his opponents committing the crimes that you just accused Trump of. But those pesky facts don't serve your narrative, justice does not apply to all, only when we are going after Trump.

You think that this book is the smoking gun? I advise you not to get your hopes up (again).

The dodge was in relation to the real news (not unsubstantiated gossip - how did you come to the conclusion that the claims are credible?) concerning Manafort suing Mueller.
The investigation continues to fizzle...
 
LiquidMethod said:
The investigation continues to fizzle...
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far from it.

the wolff book may be interesting by my guess is that it's mostly hype to generate sales.

however, the news that mueller has substantiated the claims comey made in his memos can't be good news for trump and the obstruction investigation.

alasdair
 
Obstruction investigation into what crime? Attempting to get someone on the vague crime of obstruction with no original crime implies a witch hunt. And are you really sure that you want to base your investigation on the word of James Comey?

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley is pressing the Justice Department for answers on whether James Comey violated bureau rules, saying it appears the former FBI director leaked “at least one” classified memo to a professor friend shortly after his firing.

Grassley, R-Iowa, penned a letter to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein late Wednesday, saying he and his staff had reviewed the Comey memos which were “created purportedly memorializing his interactions with President Trump.” They did so in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) at the FBI and the Senate, because the FBI deemed the “majority of the memos” to be “classified.”

"Of the seven memos, four are marked classified at the 'SECRET'or 'CONFIDENTIAL' levels," Grassley wrote, adding that "only three did not contain classified information.”

Grassley’s letter appears to back up July 2017 reports that several of Comey’s private memos contained classified material. The Hill first reported this development; Fox News confirmed with a legal source at the time that some material contained classified information. The president seized on those reports at the time with a tweet saying: “That is so illegal!”
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Long story short Comey is actually the one in trouble here. Trump is still not accused of a specific crime.
 
FBI Chief FOIA Officer: "Every Single Memo Comey Leaked Was Classified"

While Richman told CNN "No memo was given to me that was marked 'classified,' and James Comey told Congressional investigators he tried to "write it in such a way that I don't include anything that would trigger a classification," it appears the FBI's chief FOIA officer disagrees.

While we previously reported that Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) said four of the 7 Comey memos he reviewed were "marked classified" at the "Secret" or "Confidential" level - tonight we find out that every single Comey memo was classified at the time, per Judicial Watch director of investigations Chris Farrell - who has a signed declaration from the FBI's chief FOIA officer to that effect:

We have a sworn declaration from David Hardy who is the chief FOIA officer of the FBI that we obtained just in the last few days, and in that sworn declaration, Mr. Hardy says that all of Comey's memos - all of them, were classified at the time they were written, and they remain classified. -Chris Farrell, Judicial Watch
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LiquidMethod said:
Obstruction investigation into what crime?
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obstruction into the investigation of russian interference in the election and possible collusion between russia and the trump campaign.

also this: Trump reported to have ordered lawyer to urge Sessions not to recuse himself

trump fans keep calling this a nothingburger - i wonder how they have inside information on the mueller investigation that others don't. i don't know whether there's something to this or not - i'll wait for mueller to report - but trump jr's "i love it" stuff is extremely troubling and should be to any american.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
obstruction into the investigation of russian interference in the election and possible collusion between russia and the trump campaign.
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Yeah dude except "Russian interference" and "possible collusion" are not crimes. Not only do they have zero evidence of anything they do not even have a crime to accuse Trump of.

alasdairm said:
trump fans keep calling this a nothingburger - i wonder how they have inside information on the mueller investigation that others don't.
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All the juicy stuff leaked already. The deep state threw everything they could at Trump hoping something would stick and nothing has. There are even rumors that this is a massive bait and switch and that Mueller is actually working for Trump to take down the real perpetrators of Russian collusion, which we know for a fact is the Democrats since we have something that we do not have against Trump, evidence.

alasdairm said:
i don't know whether there's something to this or not - i'll wait for mueller to report -
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I know that you want to remain hopeful but time is running out. The fact that Mueller charged Manafort with unrelated crimes that happened before Trump, and that Flynn was only charged with perjury, which is the weakest thing you could get someone on and does not prove collusion with Russians since the original phone call was perfectly legal, says a lot about the investigation and the lack of evidence of conspiracy with the Russians.

alasdairm said:
but trump jr's "i love it" stuff is extremely troubling and should be to any american.
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This is the type of mindset that puzzles me. It's like when the DNC's emails were leaked, everyone was so outraged that someone could have "hacked our democracy" and released the emails. This was soo shocking....but what about what was in the fucking emails!!!??? "Oh no let's not talk about that, let's focus on unsubstantiated Russian hacking" But... the emails are a treasure trove of illegal activity and government corruption. The denial and misdirection was something to behold.

So now it seems that the meeting with the Russian lawyer was a set up - she has direct ties to Fusion GPS who created the fake peepee dossier attack, and she wasn't supposed to be in the country yet was allowed by the Obama admin. Not to mention that the meeting produced precisely nothing. Hillary is a dangerous and evil criminal, I am not surprised Trump Jr was interested in receiving oppo research against her. She is the danger that the American people should be extremely troubled about.
 
Ex-Trump advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents, authorities reveal


That's from oct last year. There has been a lot of intriguing info coming out since then.
It's an ongoing investigation.
Stop being disingenuous - it's an FBI investigation, the details have not been made public.

But the ones that have give most observers the impression that trump is screwed.

I'm not sure why i'm bothering to explain this to you again though, you don't listen or critically engage with anything.
 
LiquidMethod said:
Yeah dude except "Russian interference" and "possible collusion" are not crimes.
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conspiring with a foreign power to take action to hurt a candidate in a general election to the benefit of another is traitorous and there are any number of other possible crimes at play.

alasdair
 
Let's be real, do you still honestly believe that Trump conspired with the Russian government to alter the results of the election?

spacejunk - if you want to critically engage then engage with everything even the facts that hurt your agenda. Like I stated perjury is the easiest way to bust someone for something. Any experienced law enforcement official can trip someone up with their own words or use creative questioning to catch them out. These games don't prove conspiracy. Papadopolous has also been proven as someone who makes things up to bignote himself. That was also last October. Shouldn't the investigation get stronger over time? The opposite is happening. The hopeful explanation is "we don't know what Mueller knows, it's an ongoing FBI investigation". Why don't we stick to assessing what we can verify? You'd also think that anything substantially damaging to Trump would be leaked instantly like every other nothing-burger that has been released so far. I remember back when Comey's testimony meant "the end for Drumpf!!!". So what I'm referring to that you're not taking into account is the FBI's collusion to attack an incoming administration. Peter Strzok was caught planning an "insurance policy" in case Trump won the election. Does that sound like the actions of a just and unbiased bureau? That was after a meeting in "Andy" McCabe's office, and last I checked Strzok was taken off the investigation by Mueller and McCabe is quietly trying to resign and collect his pension. I believe there are very good employees within the FBI but the highest levels were extremely compromised and the people at the top need to be replaced. Long story short, the FBI's unlawful actions severely taint the already disastrous Mueller investigation.

conspiring with a foreign power to take action to hurt a candidate in a general election to the benefit of another is traitorous
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An example of nonsense hypocrisy from the Left: why is the meeting with the lawyer where they received nothing so shockingly illegal, however the whole debacle with Fusion GPS (where money was illegally funneled from the DNC and eventually to Russian government officials) just standard opposition research?

and there are any number of other possible crimes at play.
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What are they? Sounds like a wild and baseless assumption.
 
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What are they?

Money laundering, sexuak assault, sexual harassment, rape.
Things like that, y'know.

ike I stated perjury is the easiest way to bust someone for something. Any experienced law enforcement official can trip someone up with their own words or use creative questioning to catch them out
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That's a load of nonsense, quite frankly.

And what - i posted an article about Papadopolous from 3 months ago to illustrate a point, and the way you've twisted that to claim that the investigation isn't getting stronger over time.
You claim to know what's happening in the investigation, but the only people who do know are the ones working on it.

Why is this?
Well, unlike trump's humiliatingly leak-prone white house, the investigation has maintained its integrity as far as keeping the lid on leaks from within.
That's a sign of professionalism, loyalty, and competance.
Trump has none of that - he treats people like shit so they have no loyalty to him.

To illustrate that point, i think you can look at the amount of people in his inner circle that have resigned or quit in this last year.
Also, his inability to stop leaks from the white house.
Finally, look at his approval rating.

He's has achieved very little, even with control of both houses of congress.

He campaigned on hate and scapegoating, and all that got him was a divided nation and a divided party.

And - of course - an FBI investigation which is digging through a lot of his family's dirt.
You can claim that the dirty old man is innocent til you're blue in the face, but i think time will tell.

And i think that he's in very deep shit.
 
Fairly comprehensive interview between Guardian reporter Luke Harding and TRNN's Aaron Maté discussing Russiagate and Harding's new book "Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win"

And wow even CNN are taking Trump's side? (I believe this may be the first time I've witnessed this)
CNN - Trump is right about the FBI

The ferocity of President Donald Trump's recent attacks on the integrity of the FBI has sent shock waves through an agency accustomed to public adulation in recent years. Sadly, much of the presidential criticism of the bureau may be entirely legitimate.
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Some of Trump's recent criticisms of the agency relate to the alleged activities of FBI special agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page. An investigation by the Justice Department's inspector general revealed that the two exchanged text messages strongly indicative of anti-Trump and pro-Clinton bias while Strzok played a critical role in the Clinton investigation and a subsequent lesser role in Mueller's Trump/Russia probe.
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When news of the text messages between Strzok and Page came to light against the backdrop of claimed McCabe improprieties, it became harder to just dismiss all of Trump's FBI conspiracy claims as delusional -- though many of his critics do.
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While I rarely agree with much of what the President does or says regarding legal issues, this time he's got it right. The FBI's reputation has been severely damaged not by the President's criticism but by a systematic failure of the bureau's leadership.
The field agents of the FBI should still retain the trust of the American people. Their honor and dignity has not been compromised; but the bureau's leadership ranks require a prompt and thorough house cleaning by the new director, Christopher Wray. The bureau's leadership has forfeited the reputation of a cherished American institution.
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LiquidMethod said:
She should charged with obstruction of justice.
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absurd. that's not obstruction of justice, the only thing that could possibly be made into charges for this would be conspiracy, and even thats crazy absurd pushing it.

and the 2 agents who texted stuff suggesting an anti-trump and pro-clinton bias? they were removed from the investigation, so challenges to the integrity of meuller or his team are giant nothingburgers.
 
Trump removed members of his staff, should the challenges to the integrity of his administration be considered giant nothingburgers?
 
JahSEEuS said:
Trump removed members of his staff, should the challenges to the integrity of his administration be considered giant nothingburgers?
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lolno. false analogy, trump's staff werent removed because of a possibility of bias, but rather because trump felt they werent loyal enough to him personally. that in itself makes his integrity and the entire administration questionable, because selflessness is one of the key traits needed in a public employee, especially the most important of our - the public's - employees.
 
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