2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I find it amazing after 147 pages there is still to this page almost nothing but crying and snarky obvious statements that are nearly a year old, this has become an echoplex forget a echochamber.

Anyone here have any clue on unemployment claims for last month???
Lowest in 40+ years

Isis is running scared and abandoning territory, helps when we don't have an muslim extremist sympathizer as commander in chief.

The stock market has hit 30+ all time highs this year alone.

Do you not remember the god emperor saying countless times that he was going to be the greatest jobs president?

Where are your priorities?

I'd especially like to know from all our foreign critics, where are your priorities, why do you care so deeply about the politics of a foreign country, is it because it is so trendy, is it because it has become a multi billion dollar enterprise, is it because you wouldn't be breathing right now were it not for our countless dollars and lives paid, what exactly makes you give a poop?



Because Trump sent 4,424 Americans to a desert hellhole to die, because Trump sent 2,386 to die for natural gas and heroin industry in the most unihabital part of the world that bankrupted Russia not 20 years prior. What life have you lived where an internet troll/POTUS is "horrible", but a man who's family personally profited off of the mass careless deaths of it's own citiens, aman who started office with a projected surplus and left office worse off in modern histrory, a man who let his friends destroy the real estate market and turned 100's of thousands of families bankrupt or homeless is "suckass" and iyo "stupid"?

Either you are not old enough to of given a crap about politics in the early 2000's or your feels matter more than logic.

Come back to reality and adjust your priorities.


Alasdair is the kind of people we want immigrating, it's the penniless homeless, TB infected, extremist psychopathic, non-integrating sloths that we want to gtfo.

A lot of people who post on bluelight in CEP who claim to be leftists or progressive/open minded, much like most academics at colleges and universities and even secondary schools K-12 just live in an echo chamber, just love to hear themselves talk, and stay negative.

They also do not look at politics or history from an entire perspective, parrot the media which they totally believe and don't really question or look at everything from different sources besides the mainstream media. This shows how many can't think for themselves and do not want to learn how to do this, conveniently ignore and forget how both George W. Bush and Obama were far, far worse than Donald Trump has been as President. As you wrote some either forget or conveniently ignore the past, or were really young then and not paying attention. They are also extremely angry and bitter that Hillary lost since she was a weak candidate, and are having daily temper tantrums, meltdowns, and a huge pity party/cry in about it, instead of just staying positive and moving on with their lives and doing something actually constructive and beneficial.

I'm not even conservative politically. I used to be more of a moderate and have been all over the political spectrum at various times in my life and for different issues; but I am now am more apoltical or against both parties. I don't even personally like Donald Trump, did not vote for him or Hillary, and voted for Obama the first time but not the second time. I really did not like George W. Bush and was not pleased how he won both times but I moved on and stayed positive, and did things that were highly beneficial for me and others.

 

[spacejunk]

This is a pretty diverse echo chamber then...

I think some of us are just highly opinionated, passionate individuals. What's wrong with that?

Has trump implemented a single piece of his legislative agenda, nearly a year into his term?
If not - what makes him any better than bush or
They were capable of maintaining a certain kind of stability that many seem to sorely miss.

He seems to only be trying to start wars and divide the population, from what i can see.
Most of the world (US allies and adversaries alike) seem to regard trump as a disaster. I hear much the same from inside the USA - inclusding from people i know who work for the US govt and are extremely non-partisan most of the time.

Am i missing something?

 

[aihfl]

This administration is going to be known to posterity for the reforms that are inevitable. That is it. At this point his handlers are managing a series of crises from day to day. And I didn't vote for Clinton either. Gary Johnson is a dullard but Bill Weld would have been a spectacular VP. I lived in New England when he was governor of Massachusetts and he was a popular Republican governor, even in a deeply Democratic state. He had that Obama gift for sounding thoughtful and articulate every time he made a public statement.

 

[Erikmen]

This is a pretty diverse echo chamber then...
He seems to only be trying to start wars and divide the population, from what i can see.
Most of the world (US allies and adversaries alike) seem to regard trump as a disaster. I hear much the same from inside the USA - inclusding from people i know who work for the US govt and are extremely non-partisan most of the time.

Am i missing something?

No, that’s pretty much what he does.

I have never seen in my lifetime so many people around the world disregarding the US president.
I often talk to different diplomats in the community and he’s become a joke, even to his own embassy.

 

[spacejunk]

Yep, i know a few US diplomats who pretty much always toe the government line - even in private conversation (which used to drive me nuts) - and they're appalled by trump.
It's anecdotal, but i cannot see a positive single thing he has done, no matter how generous i am.

...unless you count the damage he's done to american imperialism (which i don't, because his belligerence towards NK and Iran is downright frightening).

 

[Blue_Phlame]

^ What about what DavidWooderson said in the post Priest quoted in post #3785?

I'll take a guess and say that it cannot possibly be credited to Trump.

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah, politicians only take credit for stock market upswings, not the other way around.
If they've not actually done much of note (major economic reform like something done in FDR's time) i don't think you can attribute a boyant stock market to a president or leader.

Unemployment figures are also notorious for being manipulated. I don't know what actually counts as "unemployment" (i believe it changed about 4 times in Thatcher's first term - it's an easy figure for governments to change the parametres of) but i'd be curious to see a link to back up the claim that unemployment is the lowest it's been in 40 years.

Underemployment is still a huge problem, right? And a big part of that is the pitifully unliveable minimum wage for american workers, which trump refused to raise, right?

I'm not interested in slagging the guy off for the sake of it, but i think he's fair game when it comes to scrutiny and criticism.
"He knew what he was getting himself into" right?

 

[Blue_Phlame]

I'm not interested in slagging the guy off for the sake of it, but i think he's fair game when it comes to scrutiny and criticism.
"He knew what he was getting himself into" right?

lol, sometimes I think some of the people that slag on the guy do it for the hell of slagging on the guy. But yeah, the state of the nation isn't wholly dependent on the actions of whose in charge, but the state of the nation is usually credited to who was in office at the time.
Informed people know the bulk of the work is done by the majority, and the minority up top are the drivers with a broader vision.

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah.
Re: the unemployment figures thing - i don't know how it is measured in the US (or various states?) but in australia, you don't necessarily get counted as "unemployed" unless you are recieving unemployment benefits (aka 'the dole').
Which means if you're unemployed and living off savings, or a redundancy pay-out, workers' compensation or mooching or whatever, you don't count.
And i think if you work 1 hour per fortnight, you are considered "employed".

So...i'm always sceptical of unemployment figures. They've long been used and abused by cynical governments.

 

[Blue_Phlame]

So...i'm always sceptical of unemployment figures. They've long been used and abused by cynical governments.

Same. If you're not searching for a job, and have dropped out of the workforce, you're not documented as 'unemployed', and the unemployment statistic looks better.

When the non-seeking unemployed are undocumented, we just won't know how many jobless folks there really are.±

 

[spacejunk]

Right - so homeless people (for instance) probably wouldn't be counted?
Sort of makes a mockery of the whole purpose of documenting such things...

 

[Blue_Phlame]

The census used to be mandatory. One year they came to my house, and I refused to answer some of the questions they we're demanding. Threatening me with fines and jail time. Later on another date, we reached a compromise and answered only the questions I wanted... The following year, they went away with mandatory census participation.

I guess having the government know it's people will be useful for allocating resources, but at the cost of personal freedom.

And I'm sure there are some people counting the homeless, or gathering estimates and factoring those estimates into whatever they're doing.

 

[Scrofula]

This administration is going to be known to posterity for the reforms that are inevitable.

I would hope so, and yet right now congress is rolling back all the reforms re-put in place after the 08 crash. The crash that let Obama claim the largest gain in employment in at least 40 years.

After which I haven't been unemployed officially, since I never went on the dole (because I didn't qualify). I'm just "not part of the workforce".

I spend my days in my echo chamber being negative, just slagging on the positive diverse coherent messaging that comes from the real, non-academic Americans. I'd slag on the broader vision of the minority up top, if I could figure out what trump's vision was.

 

[Blue_Phlame]

If I type in "Trump's vision" Into Google, I get a couple results, but don't see anything up top. Maybe I have to go back a few pages.

The image results don't give me an answer.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Source for Obama creating largest employment gain in 40 years?


http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/06/news/economy/obama-over-11-million-jobs/index.html

CNN says no but Im bad at math unlike many Jewish Americans.

I would hope so, and yet right now congress is rolling back all the reforms re-put in place after the 08 crash. The crash that let Obama claim the largest gain in employment in at least 40 years.

After which I haven't been unemployed officially, since I never went on the dole (because I didn't qualify). I'm just "not part of the workforce".

I spend my days in my echo chamber being negative, just slagging on the positive diverse coherent messaging that comes from the real, non-academic Americans. I'd slag on the broader vision of the minority up top, if I could figure out what trump's vision was.

 

[Scrofula]

My source was Mr wodenhouse, who said we have the lowest unemployment in 40 years, which others here applauded. If that's true, given it would have peaked only eight years ago, Obama logically must have seen the largest employment gain in 40 years.

 

[alasdairm]

no comments on the mueller developments today.

manafort and gates plead not guilty to several counts including conspiracy against the united states". but, perhaps more ominously for the administration, papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the f.b.i.

sarah sanders clearly trying to distance the administration from today's news about all three of these guys.

i think this is only just the beginning...

alasdair

 

[Scrofula]

The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. via

They're trying to build their "this had nothing to do with Trump" arguments. But if "conspiracy against the US" is but one of twelve charges as a plea-bargain prelude, things don't sound good. That's one of those "nothing to lose" charges.

What could they sing like birds about? I mean, they were secretly paid by the Russians to undermine Ukranian elections and hide the money. I don't see any relation to Trump.

 

[spacejunk]

no comments on the mueller developments today.

Interesting, isn't it?!

This is the beginning of the end for the trump administration. Will be interesting to see if he'll jump or be pushed...

I note also that a federal court has blocked trump's ban on transgender people joining the military.

It's a been a mighty bad day for donald trump. I'm very pleased to see this unfolding; the sooner america puts this insane chapter behind it, the better. The longer he sticks around, the more damage he will do - and the harder it will be to rectify or heal from, as a community/society.

The man is simply unfit to be president, as many of us said long before he even recieved the republican presidental nomination.
It never should have happened, but i think we're going to see a lot more explosive and disturbing revelations of corruption before this whole thing is over.
I get the impression that this is only the beginning. Should be interesting, to say the very least.

 

[alasdairm]

he'll drain the swamp, he said. he'll be different, he said.

alasdair