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Why does it matter if your a drug addict

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Ganja Gremlin

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I mean in reality , if your a good person and you don't hurt others and you earn an honest living and contribute to society why the hell does it matter if one wants to make their lonley existence a little more interesting through substances . As long as you arnt forcing drugs into children I don't see why so there is so much stigma against people who use drugs . Their are many "addicts" who you would never even know use drugs, they go to school they hold down jobs they don't steal to feed their addiction . It's just ridiculous how addicts are treated especially in America because it's so hypocritical considering alcohol is legal. No drug has ever fucked me up and made me lose inhibition like alcohol

Why must society make you feel like your a horrible person just because you want to escape .. this world is ugly after all... it's no surprise human beings are prone to substance use

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Ime, being an addict and keep following a moral code is rare af. On the other hand, people with a moral code is a rare thing even if drugs are not involved.But the thing is, I dislike people whithout a moral code.
 
I don't think it matters. People might look at me with disdain if they know my habits, I can feel it and don't care. Convincing people that doing hard drugs is and OK thing is an impossible task, and it's not an OK thing anyway. I understand that stigmas are there for a reason so I don't press the issue. I've had friends who have ODed and died, and you'll never convince someone who has lost a loved one to drugs that use is OK. So in the end there's a reason why drug use is looked down upon and a mature drug user has to recognize that. Even if safe drug use is possible, drug use is inherently unsafe and portrayed and viewed in such a way. Drug users get painted as nefarious individuals, given in to their addiction and letting it override their typical values.

I understand your frustration with it all, I'm saying that in the end it was easier for me to accept the current reality rather than try to change it or wish it changed.
 
bomber said:
Ime, being an addict and keep following a moral code is rare af. On the other hand, people with a moral code is a rare thing even if drugs are not involved.But the thing is, I dislike people whithout a moral code.
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There's a difference between having a moral code you strongly believe in, and following it when you're desperately dope sick and your addicted mind is coming up with justifications and excuses to do what you feel you gotta do to get high.

Many moral people have failed to live up to their code when they were that desperate.
 
Agreed, that's why I used the word "following" instead of having. And I always had a moral code but did partly break it during my drug use. And to be honest, Im pretty sure that almost every addict I've met, would wilingly press a button that would tranform me or anyone into pure heroin and would even find a way to excuse their choise.
Thank God I stoped before getting that deep into addiction but observing how my character gradualy changed during drug use,Im pretty sure I eventualy would end this way too.
As long as money is there, perhaps you'll never need to see how low you are, but when you need to find money or else no drugs available, very few addicts, if any, would stay noble
 
So when you say you dislike people without a moral code. Do you mean people who don't actively follow one 100% of the time or do you mean people who have no moral code whatsoever. Cause I have one and I've broken it like crazy when it was that or be sick unfortunately.
 
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So when you say you dislike people without a moral code. Do you mean people who don't actively follow one 100% of the time or do you mean people who have no moral code whatsoever. Cause I have one and I've broken it like crazy when it was that or be sick unfortunately.
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I mean people with no moral code what so ever . Honestly some of the most evil cold hearted people I have met never touched drugs . I've done some things I know wernt morally right but I try my best to be a good person and help others when I can
 
Jeffr That's the point man. You can be a great person and all, but need is a manipulative bitch, and as you fall deep into addiction your morals and big parts of your personality are foreshadowed. That's what answers the question "what's bad with being an addict".
 
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Of course all the bad shit I did was cause I needed money for heroin. If heroin had been as cheap and accessable as it could be in theory it might not have happened the way it did.
 
Just to play devil's advocate - if you were caught up in a natural disaster, drug addiction can be fatal, if you are cut off from your source or supplies, and unable to seek help, or completely incapacitated.
It happens, and there are lots of other similar scenarios in life that can totally fuck you up if you've got a habit that needs feeding.


Also, drug addiction can have all manner of flow-on health effects, depending on the drug.
This can mean organ damage, tooth decay, mental health problems or compromised immune system.

I used to think being an opiate addict was harmless, until i quit and realised how much healthier i was (my immunity was fucked when i was using, and i got quite seriously ill a few times, and colds/flus all the time)

Just my experience, no judgement or anything like that.
 
I mean I honestly agree that logistically being a drug addict isn't ideal in a survival situation. Though your same argument could be applied to obese people or someone who is elderly and isn't very strong or capable without the care and tools they have access to usually.

Being diabetic could be life threatening in a survival situation, there are a bunch of things that would ensure many people would die beyond the violent deaths due to the disaster itself.

All that being said I always feel healthier when (semi) sober (and by that i guess i mean no alcohol, opiates, amphetamines or benzodiazepines) so I think that going hard with the already hard drugs is a path that is probably best walked infrequently and with caution.
 
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Much of societies dejection towards drugs is based on the fact that everyone is brainwashed from the time they are a child that drugs are evil. No explanation is given. That it is simply wrong to do them...not just the collateral damage they can cause.

This carries into aldulthood where people are still highly scared of even drugs which in reality tend to be more positive things such as psychedelics.

...or people that dislike disabled people using opioids to cope with extreme pay n and just tell them that they are fakimg drug addicts
 
spacejunk said:
Just to play devil's advocate - if you were caught up in a natural disaster, drug addiction can be fatal, if you are cut off from your source or supplies, and unable to seek help, or completely incapacitated.
It happens, and there are lots of other similar scenarios in life that can totally fuck you up if you've got a habit that needs feeding.


Also, drug addiction can have all manner of flow-on health effects, depending on the drug.
This can mean organ damage, tooth decay, mental health problems or compromised immune system.

I used to think being an opiate addict was harmless, until i quit and realised how much healthier i was (my immunity was fucked when i was using, and i got quite seriously ill a few times, and colds/flus all the time)

Just my experience, no judgement or anything like that.
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Really?

I mean I certainly wouldn't say that opiates are GOOD for the immune system. And I don't often get sick to start with. But I almost never got sick when I was a heavy heroin addict. Not just me, I'd notice that most of the other heroin addicts I know would rarely get sick either. Like with a cold I mean. I was around lots of sick people but I wouldn't get sick. Im not the only one to have noticed either. Seemed like you just didn't catch colds on heroin. Or if we did maybe we didn't notice them.
 
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Really?

I mean I certainly wouldn't say that opiates are GOOD for the immune system. And I don't often get sick to start with. But I almost never got sick when I was a heavy heroin addict. Not just me, I'd notice that most of the other heroin addicts I know would rarely get sick either. Like with a cold I mean. I was around lots of sick people but I wouldn't get sick. Im not the only one to have noticed either. Seemed like you just didn't catch colds on heroin. Or if we did maybe we didn't notice them.
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Dude Im pretty sure opiates crash the imune system. I don't mean when you get it but when you don't. Generaly im of those peple who wouldn't get ill no matter what, but for a long time after I stopped heroin, I would get sick every second day.
Something like opiates make the imune system unable to work with out them...
 
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I don't know what the objective reality is. All I know is I and other people I know seemed to independently notice that we didn't seem to get sick as often on heroin.

But yes, there are lots of explanations beyond the notion that heroin means you're actually less likely to get sick. It could be we just didn't experience the symptoms as strongly. Many symptoms of being sick are because of the immune system more than the infection, so even if that were the case it doesn't mean it's cause our immune systems were actually working better.

It could be that we just imagined it because we've been using for so long that we've forgotten how often we got sick before we were opioid dependent, and when we were using just reflected how sick we would have gotten normally, and when we weren't using our immune systems suffered because of the dependence.

I'm not saying heroin=better immune system.

I'm saying I'm not the first to notice what seemed like we got sick less on heroin.

Of course even if through some unknown immunomodulatory effect opioids have that were actually the case, being sick all the time through withdrawal kinda kills that as an upside.

I'm just surprised to hear someone say they noticed getting sick more often. Unless of course they had AIDS.
 
^It's actually one of those little things than make us stick to that drug. As long as you can get your stuff you stay fucking imune to deseases, and many other-every day for the others-problems are non existance for you.
How cool would it be if tolerance and dependance didn't grow...
 
Yeah, when i was an addict i got sick all the time. Maybe not straight away, but after 7 or 8 years of being an addict, i used to get every cold, every flu, every virus that was going around. I would get four or five (or more) colds over the winter, and maybe one or two over summer - and i ended up with grandular fever at one point that really fucked me up.

When i cleaned up, my immune system became really resilient. I spent a couple of years where i didn't get sick at all. The difference was amazing.
Now, this was just my experience - nothing definitive, but for me it was a really noticeable improvement in my health, and i remember talking to my drug counsellor about it, when i'd been off opiates for a while, and she said "yeah, a few of my clients notice that".

It could be related to diet or other health factors, but i didn't really notice it being a problem when i was using - i just noticed the improvement.
I guess what i'm saying is that when you have a habit, it can be really easy to find reasons to justify it.

And conversely (and frustratingly) when you are trying to get (or stay) clean, it can be a little hard to find the benefits of being off drugs - so i was always trying to focus on the benefits of being clean, and immune system improvement was one of them.
I'm sure it's different for everyone though.
 
When I was on coke, from the age of 17 to about 22 or so, I was sick all the fucking time. I could never tell how much of it was just coming down, sniffing off random surfaces with random things, being unhygienic in general, etc. vs catching something from someone else due to my immune system. I had to go to the hospital with a really bad case of pneumonia once. I was coughing up blood, dehydrated, couldn’t breathe and so on. Could have started out as something viral or it could have been from all the cocaine. Or both.
 
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