RisperdalAnhedonia
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the opioid agent i tried didn't help the condition, dismissed.
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Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2
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RisperdalAnhedonia
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any experiences with MDMA (mono amine releasing agent serotonin dopa and nor epinephrine) to help our condition (invega/risperdal induced persistent anhedonia after withdrawal)
also i'm starting to think about ECT!
also i'm starting to think about ECT!
copperdome
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Hello everyone. I am almost at 11 months I am 330 days in. I have been doing decent lately. This is one of the longest times I have gone without checking this place. I use that to gauge my progress. @invegauser do you feel mushrooms helped in the healing process or only during the use? Do you think microdosing may be a good option? Also i would love to hear more from someone who went thru ETC. im at work gotta go i hope you all are doing well!
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Does anyone have pain throughout their body as a result of the injections? Like back pain, or pain in your ribs?Anyone still smoke weed despite recovering from the injections?
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@Rosi71Ich habe viel gutes über das neuropeptid Cerebrolysin (hergestellt von Ever pharma) gelesen und das es neuronen regenerien kann die geschadet sind durch neuroleptika.Es wirkt auch potent neuroprotective und soll auch das gehirn schützen von weitere schaden.
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I keep seeing this question pop up, sometimes with different punctuations and whatnot.
I think a few people have already answered that. Do you need the Shwarzenegger to tuck you in now?
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Thats not true man. They don't stay permanently active in the body. Six months after the last injection there is no more Invega in your brain or body. It can though take a very long time for the brain to repair itself to how it was before and some of the side effects like anhedonia can be permanent to a certain degree due to permanent changes in brain structure and dopamine/serotonin function caused by long acting neuroleptics. It is possible that one never has the vivid imagination and the wide deep emotional range that one had Pre-Invega/Risperdal. But I can guarantee you man that you will be able to enjoy music, social contact, sports and similar things again it will just take some time. Don't give up. I am completely hopeless and think pretty much constantly about suicide but I know its not the way out.
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Goodbye, Mikecheema. Do you want me to type out an R.I.P.?
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I'm sorry. Sometimes I don't expect rain but mostly I get through my day even if it does happen.
If by 'any other user' you mean that I'm not important enough to be a representation of recovery here, I think you need to go find another forum where there's a more hopeless outlook.
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@poisoned_veins: zombie phase lasts about 4 or 5 months on average. it hits hard and fades away. by the time your most of the way through it you will have more days than not where the zombie feeling isn't there. it's one of the hardest parts and keeping distracted works the best.
@Mikecheema92: don't poke the bear and expect it to hug you, it has claws for a reason. not to be mean but lots of people warned you about something like this happening when you first started posting, lesson learned. i still feel for you, we are all going through it. we all get hijacked by the poison and don't want to say or think about things the way we do and it's not your fault. just hang in there and do the best you can.
@Rosi71: yes, the nervous and bored feeling goes away. a lot of people are wondering about it lately and your not the only one. they are right there with you. lots of people have recovered so it does go away.
@swisscurrie: true, very true. even though i know anhedonia can be somewhat permanent in a way from drug usage i think it is possible even those people might overcome it one day. those on the poison have neuroplasticity to thank for being able to make full recoveries. and your right, it's not the way out, suicide is not an option. we don't give in to what chemicals have done to us. we find a way to overcome it and get on with living our lives again. your outlook is in the right direction.
@iridescentblack: no thanks, schwarzenegger tucks the blankets too tight and i always wake up with the circulation getting cut off, plus he has cold hands. if you happen upon the jabberwocky, try talking to him instead of whacking the guy. he's a pro when it comes to interior design and motor vehicles. let him know he still owes me his mama's recipe for shrimp cabonara and $40 from that one time in the south of france. i'm still not allowed back into that country cause of what happened with the inner tube and butter, always with the butter with that guy.
you a success? your gonna make invega famous one day. put it on the map and then point and be like "look, that's my b*@#h, i own that. it's all mine and you can't have it." your gonna make everyone want to be on the poison like it's going out of style you sick twist.
remember if the walls are bleeding and pulsing your probably in a stephen king book and safe. if the lil green men jump down from the saucer and say they want to talk that's ok, just don't take the candy they offer.
thanks for checking in. how are you today?
@Mikecheema92: don't poke the bear and expect it to hug you, it has claws for a reason. not to be mean but lots of people warned you about something like this happening when you first started posting, lesson learned. i still feel for you, we are all going through it. we all get hijacked by the poison and don't want to say or think about things the way we do and it's not your fault. just hang in there and do the best you can.
@Rosi71: yes, the nervous and bored feeling goes away. a lot of people are wondering about it lately and your not the only one. they are right there with you. lots of people have recovered so it does go away.
@swisscurrie: true, very true. even though i know anhedonia can be somewhat permanent in a way from drug usage i think it is possible even those people might overcome it one day. those on the poison have neuroplasticity to thank for being able to make full recoveries. and your right, it's not the way out, suicide is not an option. we don't give in to what chemicals have done to us. we find a way to overcome it and get on with living our lives again. your outlook is in the right direction.
@iridescentblack: no thanks, schwarzenegger tucks the blankets too tight and i always wake up with the circulation getting cut off, plus he has cold hands. if you happen upon the jabberwocky, try talking to him instead of whacking the guy. he's a pro when it comes to interior design and motor vehicles. let him know he still owes me his mama's recipe for shrimp cabonara and $40 from that one time in the south of france. i'm still not allowed back into that country cause of what happened with the inner tube and butter, always with the butter with that guy.
you a success? your gonna make invega famous one day. put it on the map and then point and be like "look, that's my b*@#h, i own that. it's all mine and you can't have it." your gonna make everyone want to be on the poison like it's going out of style you sick twist.
remember if the walls are bleeding and pulsing your probably in a stephen king book and safe. if the lil green men jump down from the saucer and say they want to talk that's ok, just don't take the candy they offer.
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Mabyedrugsdidit
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Any advise??
Thanks in advance for having this discussion. I got manic for the first time when i was 17. I use to describe it as when i became a genius. This lasted about 6 months, then i crashed and had my first depression. Mainly i was devastated at the loss of the "new me". I went to my school nurse one day bc i was trapped-didnt know what to do, she sent me to the schoold psych i think who sent me to a nearby pscych clinic which i go to(actually they come to me) till this day; im 35yo.
So ive been on all types of meds, but rarely did i think much of them or consistently take them; except a handful of times; i did. Ive been involuntarily brought to the pscych ward 4-5 times; usually by the cops-probably every time.
The last time i was in the ward was sometime in 2014. They put me on some meds-kind of a lot, which include invega sustenna. : so they had me on depakote, neurontin, trazedone[which i stopped cuz i didnt need], and invega sustenna injection. I continued to be on these meds after i got out-to this day currently(except i change the depekote to trileptal bc i was gaining weight from the depekote).
So i started these meds and ive been on them 2014 to now 2017,ever since i started ive been slower, horrible short long term memory, restless and have to get up and walk around, complete loss of interest and cannot follow what ppl are saying, senses dulled, no motivation, my vision seems off (i thought i needed lazer surgery bc my eyes were bad, even after the surgery i have trouble seeing, irritable driver, errection not great with low discharge and low pleasure, etc, etc.
But there have been some improvement though: ive held a steady full time job for the first time in my life (plagued with dwpression with the much needed hypo mania which always ended up with a crash-but theyve told me when i was younger i could withstand the hypomanias without too much damage but now that im older its very very dangerous and that i have to take my health more seriously-they probably meant by i have to take meds to prevent any further brain damage (they say u get brain damage each manic episode u get). Yea so getting back to the better part..yea, so i guess i am more stable then ive ever been, holding a job for over a year now.
Ill should also mention tho, ive struggled with weed almost my whole life, 12yo i started, but got hooked at 15yo..and i think it might be that drugs did it..at 16yo i got into alot of drugs like: tried shrooms a few times, did a lot of E, and took a tab of acid that got me high for over 24hours- i thought i might be tripping for the rest of my life..
Now, so shortly after that 24hour trip one morning i became manic, or as i use to describe as when i became a genius (i became everything i could ever dream of becoming)-which took me years to come to terms with that it went away.
So getting to the main concern of mine, like many of you: im strongly considering stopping this medicine invega sustenna..but i dont know: i cant tell if its the meds or depression symptoms..i feel like i could be better possibly much better without the invega. I aknowlege that im bipolar (2) and that i should take medicine, but the invega is suspect. Prior to taking all these meds..i didnt take meds for about a year, was ok, professed to be healed then ended up in psych ward.
Sorry for my jumping back and forth from my sayings, but im just trying to get all my thoughts out-which i probably missed a lot i wanted to.
Any feedback?. Thanks again. Concerned about my future
So the last meds i was on b4 stopping and become manic was 10mg abilify..which i took not consistently for at least about 2 years..i wonder if that was actually a good medicine if consistently taken and without the weed smoking
A question on my mind is, if i do go about stopping the invega, could the other meds be good enough to balance me out
Because i wonder at this point if the invega is just extra at this point
Thanks in advance for having this discussion. I got manic for the first time when i was 17. I use to describe it as when i became a genius. This lasted about 6 months, then i crashed and had my first depression. Mainly i was devastated at the loss of the "new me". I went to my school nurse one day bc i was trapped-didnt know what to do, she sent me to the schoold psych i think who sent me to a nearby pscych clinic which i go to(actually they come to me) till this day; im 35yo.
So ive been on all types of meds, but rarely did i think much of them or consistently take them; except a handful of times; i did. Ive been involuntarily brought to the pscych ward 4-5 times; usually by the cops-probably every time.
The last time i was in the ward was sometime in 2014. They put me on some meds-kind of a lot, which include invega sustenna. : so they had me on depakote, neurontin, trazedone[which i stopped cuz i didnt need], and invega sustenna injection. I continued to be on these meds after i got out-to this day currently(except i change the depekote to trileptal bc i was gaining weight from the depekote).
So i started these meds and ive been on them 2014 to now 2017,ever since i started ive been slower, horrible short long term memory, restless and have to get up and walk around, complete loss of interest and cannot follow what ppl are saying, senses dulled, no motivation, my vision seems off (i thought i needed lazer surgery bc my eyes were bad, even after the surgery i have trouble seeing, irritable driver, errection not great with low discharge and low pleasure, etc, etc.
But there have been some improvement though: ive held a steady full time job for the first time in my life (plagued with dwpression with the much needed hypo mania which always ended up with a crash-but theyve told me when i was younger i could withstand the hypomanias without too much damage but now that im older its very very dangerous and that i have to take my health more seriously-they probably meant by i have to take meds to prevent any further brain damage (they say u get brain damage each manic episode u get). Yea so getting back to the better part..yea, so i guess i am more stable then ive ever been, holding a job for over a year now.
Ill should also mention tho, ive struggled with weed almost my whole life, 12yo i started, but got hooked at 15yo..and i think it might be that drugs did it..at 16yo i got into alot of drugs like: tried shrooms a few times, did a lot of E, and took a tab of acid that got me high for over 24hours- i thought i might be tripping for the rest of my life..
Now, so shortly after that 24hour trip one morning i became manic, or as i use to describe as when i became a genius (i became everything i could ever dream of becoming)-which took me years to come to terms with that it went away.
So getting to the main concern of mine, like many of you: im strongly considering stopping this medicine invega sustenna..but i dont know: i cant tell if its the meds or depression symptoms..i feel like i could be better possibly much better without the invega. I aknowlege that im bipolar (2) and that i should take medicine, but the invega is suspect. Prior to taking all these meds..i didnt take meds for about a year, was ok, professed to be healed then ended up in psych ward.
Sorry for my jumping back and forth from my sayings, but im just trying to get all my thoughts out-which i probably missed a lot i wanted to.
Any feedback?. Thanks again. Concerned about my future
So the last meds i was on b4 stopping and become manic was 10mg abilify..which i took not consistently for at least about 2 years..i wonder if that was actually a good medicine if consistently taken and without the weed smoking
A question on my mind is, if i do go about stopping the invega, could the other meds be good enough to balance me out
Because i wonder at this point if the invega is just extra at this point
Mabyedrugsdidit
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I can stop the invega..hopefully..unless they trying to say i have to take it..which i am hoping does not happen bc i may want to flip out (but i dont really flip out like that..very passive and just let things happen until i see in retrospect i should have acted)..
So i could stop..but what would i take in place of.. and any one got any advice about the weed?..pretty much my whole life ive been trying to stop weed but smoke everyday several times. But smoming weed on these meds really really turns me into a sleepy zombie. So im pretty surs i cant smoke..mabye with the exception of like once or twice a month or less than..but that has its dangers cuz its hard to do it like that.
Well, im taking measures to stop the invega asap (but reluctantly took the shot yesterday-cuz it was a nurse and she doesnt have much authority..tomorrow im seeing a nurse practitioner who does have some power.i knew her many years..i wonder if i should reach out to get another perspective.like a different pscych doc (i see a pzych doc too each month).
But then again these ppl know me, and mighf know whatz best-i might just be naive in saying that bc i might just be a means for them to get payed.
Any advice on any of those things?..sorry if i havent read the more updated posts..but i did read a lot of the begginning pages. Is this the one where that guy w the name starting w the letter N started?..will look after i post this..and will also fo through some of the latest post u guys put here.
Thanks
And real quick..i wonder if it was all the street drugs i took when i was 16 and 17yo..all this manic depression terribleness
So i could stop..but what would i take in place of.. and any one got any advice about the weed?..pretty much my whole life ive been trying to stop weed but smoke everyday several times. But smoming weed on these meds really really turns me into a sleepy zombie. So im pretty surs i cant smoke..mabye with the exception of like once or twice a month or less than..but that has its dangers cuz its hard to do it like that.
Well, im taking measures to stop the invega asap (but reluctantly took the shot yesterday-cuz it was a nurse and she doesnt have much authority..tomorrow im seeing a nurse practitioner who does have some power.i knew her many years..i wonder if i should reach out to get another perspective.like a different pscych doc (i see a pzych doc too each month).
But then again these ppl know me, and mighf know whatz best-i might just be naive in saying that bc i might just be a means for them to get payed.
Any advice on any of those things?..sorry if i havent read the more updated posts..but i did read a lot of the begginning pages. Is this the one where that guy w the name starting w the letter N started?..will look after i post this..and will also fo through some of the latest post u guys put here.
Thanks
And real quick..i wonder if it was all the street drugs i took when i was 16 and 17yo..all this manic depression terribleness
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And sorry for the long ones..will try to keep shorter
ZombieMode
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Apologies for being MIA for a while now, I've been reading daily but am still being drugged heavily which makes it difficult to communicate -- even just via a forum.
I've missed a few questions, but hope that this post will answer them.
To Improve you overall Health, do the following in order and continue for life:
1. Nutrition: adopt a high-quality diet
2. Intestinal Sanitation: clean out & sanitize your intestines
3. Antimicrobial Therapy: eliminate harmful microbes
4. Cleansing: remove metabolic wastes & toxins
5. Healthy living and reduce all other kinds of pollution
6. Energy healing: remove energy blockages and recharge yourself
7. Mind Tools: replace negative beliefs and emotions with positive ones
8. Healing groups: form or join a healing group.
I've read most of Walter's books and even been in contact with him directly. This is what he recommends in a nutshell.
http://heal-yourself.com.au/
By doing the above in 2016, albiet on a very small, tentative scale, I recovered from abilify injections. This time round, I'm devoting my entire life to implementing all the above to my best possible ability and will post results on my blog at a later date. I hope to someday create a "how-to" for recovering from psychiatry and their drugs. There seems to be an increasing amount of people affected, but not much in the way of direction with what to do... IMO.
If people claim to not ever recover from anti-psychotic drugs (emphasis on the term 'drug' -- that's all they are), they were probably never healthy to begin with. IMO.
...
On the topic of entheogens (psychedelics), I've always been a fan. Things like DMT (Iboga, Ayahuasca) will blow your mind and send you places you never knew existed. It's all about consciousness and exploration. Psychiatry calls these spiritual experiences "psychosis" and "schizophrenia". There are some similarities.
It must be understood and to a certain extent respected, or you'll end up in a psych ward. Modern day society is not the place to elevate, awake, trip, etc. Always exercise common sense in this regard.
Specific to anti-psychotics though; If you are currently taking APs at any dose of any kind (and this probably extends to other forms of psychiatric drugs), I'd strongly advise you to avoid hallucinogens at all costs - bar maybe cannabis.
I took 5 tabs of LSD whilst on 400mg Abilify and honestly nearly killed myself. I didn't expect it at all, having used LSD in hi-doses in the past. The two do not mix. Do not fucking try it. Neuroleptic Malignent Syndrome (seratonin syndrome) is not a nice trade-off for a pseudo-trip.
DMT was a lot safer, though uncomfortable, as it will show you who you are in the *NOW* moment. Which, if you are on APs, is a disgusting blob of crap. Not a welcoming experience.
That said, all psychedelics hold their place in attaining true health and in spiritual practise. Just hold off until you're feeling better sober and the APs don't have you by the balls, so to speak.
...
In the meantime, cannabis and tobacco (organic, natural tobacco) have been beneficial for me whilst taking anti-psychotics for the pain relief, and a sense of spiritual life. Hard to explain.
...
In short, if you are that way inclined, YES psychedelics are useful, but just wait before returning to them again. If you want to heal yourself now and recover from the invega, abilify, start by simply monitoring your own consumption - do you eat filth on a daily basis? Your immune system, digestive system, is already fucked from the APs, don't make things worse when it could be easily avoided.
your pal Zombie.
PS: sorry this was a bit rant-y. I will endeavour to post only constructive advice and results in the future. If anyone wants to ramble with me, feel free to send me a PM
I've missed a few questions, but hope that this post will answer them.
To Improve you overall Health, do the following in order and continue for life:
1. Nutrition: adopt a high-quality diet
2. Intestinal Sanitation: clean out & sanitize your intestines
3. Antimicrobial Therapy: eliminate harmful microbes
4. Cleansing: remove metabolic wastes & toxins
5. Healthy living and reduce all other kinds of pollution
6. Energy healing: remove energy blockages and recharge yourself
7. Mind Tools: replace negative beliefs and emotions with positive ones
8. Healing groups: form or join a healing group.
I've read most of Walter's books and even been in contact with him directly. This is what he recommends in a nutshell.
http://heal-yourself.com.au/
By doing the above in 2016, albiet on a very small, tentative scale, I recovered from abilify injections. This time round, I'm devoting my entire life to implementing all the above to my best possible ability and will post results on my blog at a later date. I hope to someday create a "how-to" for recovering from psychiatry and their drugs. There seems to be an increasing amount of people affected, but not much in the way of direction with what to do... IMO.
If people claim to not ever recover from anti-psychotic drugs (emphasis on the term 'drug' -- that's all they are), they were probably never healthy to begin with. IMO.
...
On the topic of entheogens (psychedelics), I've always been a fan. Things like DMT (Iboga, Ayahuasca) will blow your mind and send you places you never knew existed. It's all about consciousness and exploration. Psychiatry calls these spiritual experiences "psychosis" and "schizophrenia". There are some similarities.
It must be understood and to a certain extent respected, or you'll end up in a psych ward. Modern day society is not the place to elevate, awake, trip, etc. Always exercise common sense in this regard.
Specific to anti-psychotics though; If you are currently taking APs at any dose of any kind (and this probably extends to other forms of psychiatric drugs), I'd strongly advise you to avoid hallucinogens at all costs - bar maybe cannabis.
I took 5 tabs of LSD whilst on 400mg Abilify and honestly nearly killed myself. I didn't expect it at all, having used LSD in hi-doses in the past. The two do not mix. Do not fucking try it. Neuroleptic Malignent Syndrome (seratonin syndrome) is not a nice trade-off for a pseudo-trip.
DMT was a lot safer, though uncomfortable, as it will show you who you are in the *NOW* moment. Which, if you are on APs, is a disgusting blob of crap. Not a welcoming experience.
That said, all psychedelics hold their place in attaining true health and in spiritual practise. Just hold off until you're feeling better sober and the APs don't have you by the balls, so to speak.
...
In the meantime, cannabis and tobacco (organic, natural tobacco) have been beneficial for me whilst taking anti-psychotics for the pain relief, and a sense of spiritual life. Hard to explain.
...
In short, if you are that way inclined, YES psychedelics are useful, but just wait before returning to them again. If you want to heal yourself now and recover from the invega, abilify, start by simply monitoring your own consumption - do you eat filth on a daily basis? Your immune system, digestive system, is already fucked from the APs, don't make things worse when it could be easily avoided.
your pal Zombie.PS: sorry this was a bit rant-y. I will endeavour to post only constructive advice and results in the future. If anyone wants to ramble with me, feel free to send me a PM
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Damiana is a herb, that can be smoked or administered via a liquid under the tongue.
It is THE only herb I smoke when I feel like weed that sorta feels similar.
It's not as effective whilst on invega/abilify, but still could be worth a shot!
I met someone who was court ordered to 36 injections this summer. He now switched to abilify since invega didn't seem so nice. My new psychiatrist is pushing invega with all these fancy posters in the office. He thought I was interested in kids for some reason until my father came in to rectify the situation... The truth is no one likes these mandatory appointment. F*ck therapy for real they could suck my d*ck if I wasn't so scared they'll chew it.
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In the state we are right now I think fitness would be very helpful especially lifting but the most important thing is not how much you lift but how you exercise lifting less and do more reps give more chance to the brain to rewire those basic movements that are lost with the poison and need to be rrediscovere, the mechanic of the exercises that's whats really important..one day you'll be able to lift as much as you want but we are like babies now and we need to reintroduce ourselves to the basic. so for me lower weights more reps and more days (Every other) is good... And I also think more full body workout (see deadlift) are good even tho they won't get you those huge biceps you are looking for but they will definitely have a huge impact on your coordination while rewiring the whole body muscles and a huge boost in self esteem!
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