2017 Trump Presidency Thread
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a great story came out today over here - i'm not sure if it was picked up overseas, but it has emerged that trump attempted to build a casino in Sydney in the 1980s - but the proposal was rejected because of trump's mafia connections.
he's been alleged to have russian mafia links also. i'm sure that's just a coincidence though, he's definitely not a shady character or a crook, right?
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it's a shame presidential candidates don't receive the same sort of scrutiny. well, arguably trump was highly scrutinised by the media, but his supporters don't seem to care how rotten and corrupt he is.
it seems to be his main selling point to some people, which is just bizarre.
he's been alleged to have russian mafia links also. i'm sure that's just a coincidence though, he's definitely not a shady character or a crook, right?
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it's a shame presidential candidates don't receive the same sort of scrutiny. well, arguably trump was highly scrutinised by the media, but his supporters don't seem to care how rotten and corrupt he is.
it seems to be his main selling point to some people, which is just bizarre.
Scrofula
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I know you're not a trump voter.
But you're right about them.
Shimmer.Fade
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People in Britain are just as overweight, insulting, sexist, and self obsessed. Voting for Brexit is as stupid as voting for Trump. Both sides spouted pure lies to get votes. Trump was awful as a candidate, but not nearly as terrible as he is as president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_Kingdom
Recent article about the d-baggery of the Brits...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/aug/10/uk-named-as-worlds-largest-legal-ivory-exporter
In most places humanity is in desperate need of reflection. We could be a great species if we could overcome our cancerous, bacterial tendencies. I don't think we can. I do draw hope from certain cultures from the past (i.e. specific native American, Greek, Celtic, and Indian cultures).
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Mel22
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I doubt it will even waver a little bit, let alone perish....this kind of hatred is complex and runs very deep. Trump didn't turn kind, balanced people into racist scum - these snivelling little pieces of trash just finally felt enough safety in numbers to crawl out of their ratholes a little. Unfortunately, a bunch of them managing to get into the WH is obviously helping this along in a big way.
Damage has been done, and is still being done. I fear that these poisonous subhumans won't give up their gained ground easily, no matter what happens in the WH...it just feels so much bigger than that. I don't want them to feel accepted or safe, and I don't want them to feel as though they have a right to spew this vile shit and empower others of their kind. I want it to stop.
I support those that stand against them, and will do as much as I can to resist them each and every time they come anywhere near my fucking community.
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How far are you willing to go in your support mel?
I totally agree and also support those who are against kkk, neonazis, racial supremacists, etc.
Just interested to know where some draw the line.
Financial backing?
Joining protests?
Punching faces?
Using weapons?
What are you willing to do to resist them "as much as [you] can"?
Also, good evening to you, I do hope your day was plentiful and of great success.
I totally agree and also support those who are against kkk, neonazis, racial supremacists, etc.
Just interested to know where some draw the line.
Financial backing?
Joining protests?
Punching faces?
Using weapons?
What are you willing to do to resist them "as much as [you] can"?
Also, good evening to you, I do hope your day was plentiful and of great success.
Mel22
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I guess ultimately that depends on them. Violent nazis marching around my community is not something I feel comfortable just accepting, and I encourage everyone to do what they need to protect their community from such horrific people and their twisted ideology.
Tl;dr - time will tell.
Tl;dr - time will tell.
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I don't think violence is the answer. A group of nazis will be more than happy if things turn violent. There must be another way.
I like the way some of them have been fired from their jobs after being filmed at the Charlottesville rally.
I like the way some of them have been fired from their jobs after being filmed at the Charlottesville rally.
LiquidMethod
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Not sure why you keep lying. White power is bad...mmkay. I have only defended free speech. Yes I'm Jewish so I don't like Nazis. I also speak 8 languages including 3 European languages 3 Asian languages and Hebrew. I honestly do not personally know anyone else that has more respect and admiration for other cultures than myself, and hey guess what that includes American culture (of where I am a citizen). None of that really matters though, people should be able to present their opinions here without being personally attacked or character assassinated.
Does that mean that you assumed what I was thinking and what I was gonna say, which is what you chided me for doing previously? Tsk tsk.
The reason you called it, is because you knew what I was going to say, because you know all those examples were not racist.
So I asked close to 10 times for examples of Trump being racist and yours was the only reply I received. I thought we were all about facts and evidence here? According to what you've presented, you cannot state that the President is racist. I mean it's not like he called black youth "super-predators" or anything *cough*Hillary.
Let's see some opposing evidence:
1986: Trump receives Ellis Island Medal of Honor with Rosa Parks.
1991: Trump says he "hates seeing" what David Duke represents.
1997: ADL President praises Trump for tackling the issue of discrimination at private clubs
2000: Trump calls David Duke a bigot, racist and a problem.
2008: Trump shelters Jennifer Hudson after her family is murdered.
2015: Trump says he doesn't want David Duke's support.
2017: Trump condemns Neo-Nazis, the KKK, Alt-Right
Everyone in this thread should watch this video of Trump disavowing racism over and over for the past 17 years - while Media says exactly the opposite
Notice how the media began it's campaign to paint Trump as a racist as soon as he started gaining traction during the election?
If anyone continues to think that Trump is a racist - I would honestly like to know specifically why.
Mel22
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As sick and delusional as they are, they are clever and organised enough to always find something to paint regardless. They will feel the resistance weakening, and see it as a victory. I believe it would only serve to further empower them, and help their numbers grow.
Even if we ignored them, do you think all those undercover hateful whackos who haven't yet grown the balls to show themselves would do the same? I doubt it.
Safety in numbers is a thing here. I can't see how allowing them to feel even safer and spew their hate more freely could be anything other than a very bad fucking idea. I mean, nothing is certain, but allowing them to go forward with this shit unchallenged just feels like an unacceptably dangerous gamble at best.
Social consequences and strong resistance keeps a lot of these pussies quiet and in their place. I feel like it needs to be a priority to always make it crystal clear that there is no place for this shit in society, and as they scream louder, we must as well just to be heard.
And anyway, actually getting people to just ignore them is simply not realistic. This is violence. This is hurtful and scary. Expecting people not to react and resist when these psychos come marching through their community is just not gonna work. Too many people are just way too uncomfortable with this, and rightfully so.
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They can see things however they want. They already see the world through their own shade-of-fucked glasses, doesn't make it right. I can see your point though, but I think that these sort of "monumental" moments actually help to empower them and nourish their growth even more.
fair.
The thing is if they spew it and no one is there to witness it then what does it gain them? If there is no media coverage, or at least less, what good is it to their cause? Safer? They already feel plenty safe, they are too dumb to know when they are in trouble.
true.
understood.
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LiquidMethod
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Thank you for proving my point.
Mel22
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I didn't read your post and certainly don't plan on it, so I'll just say yeah, that's exactly what happened I'm sure - seems legit! And you're welcome m8 
that's right, these people will always exist.
it's not realistic to think we can change nazis, but the thing we can do is vocally oppose them, and make it as difficult as possible for them to demonstrate and organise.
people always focus on the 'violence' aspect of anti-fascist activism, but there is so much more to it than that.
simply turning up and helping increase the numbers of a counter-demonstration is more effective than a lot of people realise.
when you have numbers, it's much easier to disrupt marches - and when possible prevent them from being able to march at all - and this is ideally done without any violence.
by making it incredibly difficult to demonstrate, we help to make their marches chaotic and very difficult to organise. the harder they are to organise, and control, the more these people reveal themselves to be murderous, hateful, crazy scumbags.
if you hear the ravings of people like richard spencer, complaining that the cops dispersing their march exposed them to being attacked by "antifa", he really sounds like the entitled whiny brat he is - acknowledging that even with their violence, their guns, knives, clubs, helmets, body armour and shields - they still need police protection to parade their racial superiority and brute strength around the place.
they pretend they're not scared - and that they're proud racists because there's nothing wrong with being openly racist in america "again" - but they still seem to be frightened of the consequences of such ostentatious prejudice.
why are they still scared? because of anti-fascist demonstrators.
what would they be doing if they weren't opposed by so many people?
we can only speculate, but it not inconceivable that they'd be doing the sort of thing the klan has done for a hundred years or more - lynchings, shootings, bombings, murder.
they're already murdering, and bashing - and they're already fucking armed. it's not all for show.
most anti-fascist activists i know would never throw a punch - or a brick - but they still turn up to counter-demos in solidarity.
i know people in their 60s and 70s who go to every anti-nazi rally.
i have a friend that goes to all of them, and she's very frail and tiny, but she still turns up, even though she's terrified. she strongly believes it's the right thing to do.
also, a lot of people aren't there to fight and only end up doing so in self-defence. if you look at the video i posted a link to a page or two back - the one showing that the nazis were the first to attack - the counter demonstrators were simply blocking their path, and they only started fighting when the nazis attacked them.
to give them their dues, though, they did knock quite a few of those nazi dickheads flat on their arses, because i don't think the fash were really expecting to get punched out by a bunch of pro-diversity community activists.
"SJWs" can fight pretty well - just goes to show how dangerous stereotypes can be if you're a nazi bonehead. they don't call 'em "warriors" for nothin'
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exactly.
it's also "safety in numbers" to be there in solidarity with other people that feel the same way.
come to the next CARF rally, mate. the last couple i've been to were pretty fun.
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