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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

In another Dimension, space and time cease to exist, only 3-meo-pcp remains. The structure of all existence is based on this molecule, Gods and Mortals are the same.

A Divinity trio-circularity. 33 mg every day for the past 3 years. You get 333.

Phantasmal experience, otherworldly.

Perhaps an extraterrestrial race is based solely from the etches and rivers of 3meo bliss. Perhaps Oblivion is the only reality.

Based around an ever increasing energy, we find matter and energy are the Base of All Creation in this known reality.

Gods are with me now
 
Dude that's 311 bumps. Gold.

Whoa, amber is the color of 3meo energy
whoa, shades of gold displayed naturally
you ought to know what brings me here
you glide through my head blind to fear
and I know why
whoa, amber is the color of your energy
whoa, like ET's sky lights above AZ
Whoa, amber is the color of your energy
3meo, molecular gold displayed naturally

You live too far away
3meo rings like a bell anyway
don't give up your independent research
unless it feels so right
nothing good comes easily
 
I really don't get how people are getting so far down the rabbit hole with this stuff... Granted, my experience with 3-MeO-PCP was somewhat limited, but it really didn't feel divine or spiritual in any way. If anything it was quite the opposite, and quite dark, almost mechanical in nature. I didn't dare try to hole on the stuff but I can't imagine the 3-MeO-hole would be anything but bleak terror, and very far from the inspired psychedelic poetry in this thread.

Also, what is the deal with the different batches? Do we have any theories? If it's the same molecule, the batches can't be different, surely. I think I might remember reading earlier on in this thread that someone had 2 different batches tested, and they both came back as relatively pure 3-MeO-PCP. If this is the case, then the difference in effects must be something isomeric, right?

Going by what we know of ketamine, one could surmise that S-3-MeO-PCP is the more psychedelic variety, and R-3-MeO-PCP is the more stimulating, less psychedelic variety. Does this make sense?

Either way I am feeling like I missed out because I definitely got the stimulating stuff (R isomer or whatever it might be) and based on the descriptions of others in this thread, this seems to be the colder, scarier, and far less entheogenic variant.
 
Vastness said:
I didn't dare try to hole on the stuff but I can't imagine the 3-MeO-hole would be anything but bleak terror, and very far from the inspired psychedelic poetry in this thread.

Also, what is the deal with the different batches? Do we have any theories? If it's the same molecule, the batches can't be different, surely. I think I might remember reading earlier on in this thread that someone had 2 different batches tested, and they both came back as relatively pure 3-MeO-PCP. If this is the case, then the difference in effects must be something isomeric, right?

Going by what we know of ketamine, one could surmise that S-3-MeO-PCP is the more psychedelic variety, and R-3-MeO-PCP is the more stimulating, less psychedelic variety. Does this make sense?
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There are no S and R isomers of due to the cyclohexyl ring effectively being symmetrical on both sides with respect to that carbon center. Thus there is no possibility of different enantio- (or stereo) isomers.

Positional isomers are a big probability. And since a positional isomer is likely the same exact mass (and mass fragments) as normal 3meopcp and shares similar chromatographic properties, there is a very good chance it could be going unnoticed during GCMS/LCMS analysis. also, 3 OH PCP is a candidate for a different mass culprit I believe. I doubt that these analytical labs go through any kind of rigor trying to ID positional isomers or synthetic byproducts. Why would they? They are getting paid to tell you which designer drug is present, nothing more.



and the 3meohole is beautiful, total revelation and bliss, a feeling of coming home. I've only holed on it once but it was actually more 'comfortable" than an mxe hole to me...but yet thats probably because I had the hindsight experience of many mxe holes before i holed on pcp

granted mxe just feels safer and better overall by far
 
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I tripped far out last night.
Still getting a grip on what happened.
Was almost ready to commit myself to the asylum.
Was pretty damm sure I died.
I'm still here.
Be careful if you can't handle hard trips on this stuff is all I can say.
What a good night...only the hard trippers will feel what I'm saying.
3-meo-pcp what a wonderful beast.
 
mindseye888 said:
I tripped far out last night.
Still getting a grip on what happened.
Was almost ready to commit myself to the asylum.
Was pretty damm sure I died.
I'm still here.
Be careful if you can't handle hard trips on this stuff is all I can say.
What a good night...only the hard trippers will feel what I'm saying.
3-meo-pcp what a wonderful beast.
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How much did you take?!
 
Lol 30mg is full on.
I read this during "some challenges " from diphenidine so felt somwhat in line!

Glad you ok, was it 30 mg straight up? If so thats massive.
Can you post details?
 
Did about 30mg.
Thought I was edging from mania to psychosis.
Holed really hard, not ego death, literally thought I was dead, afterlife sucked really bad too.
I'm still hear, and loving life.
Go hard or go home...very bad way to put it considering harm reduction and all that.
Great trip to be honest. But you get what you give.
I don't like being so vague when posting but I'm high on life now and last night was really hard to put into words.
A very psychedelic experience too, fine line between the hole and the astral plane. Wow.
I should dig up that thread about having your ass kicked by a chemical.
I was googling should I commit myself to a mental institution before I thought I had died.
 
mindseye888 said:
Did about 30mg.
Thought I was edging from mania to psychosis.
Holed really hard, not ego death, literally thought I was dead, afterlife sucked really bad too.
I'm still hear, and loving life.
Go hard or go home...very bad way to put it considering harm reduction and all that.
Great trip to be honest. But you get what you give.
I don't like being so vague when posting but I'm high on life now and last night was really hard to put into words.
A very psychedelic experience too, fine line between the hole and the astral plane. Wow.
I should dig up that thread about having your ass kicked by a chemical.
I was googling should I commit myself to a mental institution before I thought I had died.
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Sounds wild man. I had a good night too with some of the clover's cousins, first time combining o-pce and 3-meo-pce.

Hopefully I'll have some 3-meo-pcp soon too. dont know if ill ever dare 30 mg tho. that a lot!!
 
LucidSDreamr said:
There are no S and R isomers of due to the cyclohexyl ring effectively being symmetrical on both sides with respect to that carbon center. Thus there is no possibility of different enantio- (or stereo) isomers.

Positional isomers are a big probability. And since a positional isomer is likely the same exact mass (and mass fragments) as normal 3meopcp and shares similar chromatographic properties, there is a very good chance it could be going unnoticed during GCMS/LCMS analysis. also, 3 OH PCP is a candidate for a different mass culprit I believe. I doubt that these analytical labs go through any kind of rigor trying to ID positional isomers or synthetic byproducts. Why would they? They are getting paid to tell you which designer drug is present, nothing more.



and the 3meohole is beautiful, total revelation and bliss, a feeling of coming home. I've only holed on it once but it was actually more 'comfortable" than an mxe hole to me...but yet thats probably because I had the hindsight experience of many mxe holes before i holed on pcp

granted mxe just feels safer and better overall by far
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Ah, I see. My knowledge of chemistry is not that great but a little googling seems to reveal that when you speak of a "positional isomer", this is essentially a different chemical, ie, 2-MeO-PCP or 4-MeO-PCP, am I right? Neither of those 2 seem to fit the profile however. I actually agree with you following a little research that 3-HO-PCP (Methoxidine?) is probably the best candidate as it is active at a similar dosage range to 3-MeO-PCP and generally more sedating and/or psychedelic, however I have not tried this chemical myself.

Can anyone who has experience with a wide range of x-PCP/x-PCE type chemicals, and ideally, 3-HO-PCP/3-OH-PCP itself, confirm that their experience matches that described by many people in this thread?

Also, LucidSDreamr, when you talk of the the 3-MeO-hole, which variety of this chemical was it that you are referring to?

I think that as a community we really do need to get to the bottom of what is going on here, and people really need to start clarifying exactly what variety of alleged "3-MeO-PCP" they are talking about when they describe their experiences, because it seems to me quite likely that we are actually talking about 2 distinct substances but referring to them with the same name... one of them likely incorrectly. And these substances I think are different enough in their effects that if the distinction is not made clear, it could actually be pretty dangerous if people think they are gonna get a beautiful psychedelic dissociative trip and instead end up inducing some entirely unexpected and maniacal psychosis.

I only allow myself to do dissociatives every 6 months or so now but in a couple months, if no-one has cleared up this mystery before then, I will see if there is any of the less manic variety of 3-MeO-PCP floating around, and if so I'll get some of it and try to get it properly tested.
 
get an almost table salt like 3-meo-pcp, it is very varying in its effects, I find that the first few days of doing 5mg bumps nasally totalling 15mg kinda has a stim effect, but pushing up to 30mg starts to get really psychedelic, the dissociative nature is always there. I have to take a break about every three days.
Hope this helps
 
If 30 is full-on, like volume 10, what about *33*? It's like an amp that goes to 11! Just kidding, 33 is like level 33 masonry, only for the well-versed initiates. Lets bring the volume *down* to eleven, in 3x11mg increments throughout if you like going hard all day. It's like that song 'Down' by 311.
 
I'm pretty sure an amp that goes to 33 would blow its circuitry, unless it is heated slowly, achieving a tolerance level of 33. Too much at once can crack your bulb(ous) head, unvacuuming your vacuum tube, and that's a mess. Metaphorically, pour hot coffee into something glassy, guess what happens? *snap crackle pop*, or think of that egg-frying your-brain-on-drugs commercial. 'Any questions'?
 
Vastness said:
Ah, I see. My knowledge of chemistry is not that great but a little googling seems to reveal that when you speak of a "positional isomer", this is essentially a different chemical, ie, 2-MeO-PCP or 4-MeO-PCP, am I right? Neither of those 2 seem to fit the profile however. I actually agree with you following a little research that 3-HO-PCP (Methoxidine?) is probably the best candidate as it is active at a similar dosage range to 3-MeO-PCP and generally more sedating and/or psychedelic, however I have not tried this chemical myself.

Can anyone who has experience with a wide range of x-PCP/x-PCE type chemicals, and ideally, 3-HO-PCP/3-OH-PCP itself, confirm that their experience matches that described by many people in this thread?

Also, LucidSDreamr, when you talk of the the 3-MeO-hole, which variety of this chemical was it that you are referring to?

I think that as a community we really do need to get to the bottom of what is going on here, and people really need to start clarifying exactly what variety of alleged "3-MeO-PCP" they are talking about when they describe their experiences, because it seems to me quite likely that we are actually talking about 2 distinct substances but referring to them with the same name... one of them likely incorrectly. And these substances I think are different enough in their effects that if the distinction is not made clear, it could actually be pretty dangerous if people think they are gonna get a beautiful psychedelic dissociative trip and instead end up inducing some entirely unexpected and maniacal psychosis.

I only allow myself to do dissociatives every 6 months or so now but in a couple months, if no-one has cleared up this mystery before then, I will see if there is any of the less manic variety of 3-MeO-PCP floating around, and if so I'll get some of it and try to get it properly tested.
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Im not sure I've only had two different batches of 3meo and they both seemed about the same in effects to me despite being different in appearance. Plenty psychedelic at high enough doses.

I don't think any analysis lab will care to get to the bottom of figuring out why there are nuances in the effects of different batches, its quite far beyond the scope of what these labs do, and what they care to spend time doing. Same thing goes for the MDMA discussion in the other forum of ppl wondering why things that test as "pure" mdma have dramatically different effects.
 
I had the same problem analytically finding the differences in batches of MXE, leaving me to theorize with only basic knowledge of chemistry. Best I can describe different 3meo batches is the color of their 'spirit', I.e. 'red' 'white' and 'blue'. The blue and white are fully good, blue being my favorite punch, its the more 'MXE'-like, peaceful and maneagable hypomania. The red has fire in it, much more likely to lead to those 'dark' or 'evil' experiences recent posters are reporting. Of course in the end it is all about how the tool is used, the set and setting etc. I don't think any batch is good for people with too many skeletons in their mental closet...
 
^ I find the shit makes me more sane than I normally am minus the intoxication. Anxiety, obsessive thoughts, depression....all gone with 3meo or mxe. wish i could always feel like I was on a subthreshold dose.

it little outspoken during high doses, but more positive and "mentally healthy"
 
vortech said:
I had the same problem analytically finding the differences in batches of MXE, leaving me to theorize with only basic knowledge of chemistry. Best I can describe different 3meo batches is the color of their 'spirit', I.e. 'red' 'white' and 'blue'. The blue and white are fully good, blue being my favorite punch, its the more 'MXE'-like, peaceful and maneagable hypomania. The red has fire in it, much more likely to lead to those 'dark' or 'evil' experiences recent posters are reporting. Of course in the end it is all about how the tool is used, the set and setting etc. I don't think any batch is good for people with too many skeletons in their mental closet...
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'Sticky'
Spot on vortech. I think this post should be in the top of the psychedelic forum
 
^Are you being sarcastic?

I don't mean to be rude here but although classifying batches of drugs by "the colour of their spirit" might work well for some people, I don't think it has any use whatsoever as far as making sure that people are as informed as possible about what they are taking.

Regardless I guess it might be the case that there are no real differences between batches, at least none that could be discerned in a blind test. I have only ever had the one batch so I can't personally comment but I thought there were a few more experienced dissociative users who had sampled both batches earlier in the thread and thought there was a difference. For some reason I find it much easier to dismiss the idea that different batches of MDMA would have different effects, although MDMA has been around for a while and presumably if there were significant enantiomeric differences or something these would be known about by now, assuming we are not just talking about different MDxx compounds. 3-MeO-PCP is much newer and it's conceivable the testing process is less sensitive, but I guess the placebo/set/setting/suggestion effect is a powerful thing as well.
 
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