lol they are already lying through their teeth and saying he met them in the capacity of senator so he wasn't lying when he was asked that question. The only reason Trump wasn't as corrupt as Hillary is because he has no experience in politics, barely a couple months in and this is one of the most corrupt administrations in American history yet conservatives just keep gobbling Trump and Putins cock. There would be armed rioting in the streets if Obama had pulled even one of the things Trump did.
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lol they are already lying through their teeth and saying he met them in the capacity of senator so he wasn't lying when he was asked that question. The only reason Trump wasn't as corrupt as Hillary is because he has no experience in politics, barely a couple months in and this is one of the most corrupt administrations in American history yet conservatives just keep gobbling Trump and Putins cock. There would be armed rioting in the streets if Obama had pulled even one of the things Trump did.
every day there's new information about trump's people and their contact with russia. some of the allegations are extremely troubling and, if they're true, laws may have been broken and senior officials have been lying, including lies under oath.
there needs to be an independent investigation: Top Republican says special prosecutor should investigate Russian meddling in Trump’s election
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there needs to be an independent investigation: Top Republican says special prosecutor should investigate Russian meddling in Trump’s election
thanks for making my point for me.
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There is so much smoke there must be a fire somewhere in regards to Trump and Russia...
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+ fucking 1
LucidSDreamr
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The fact that he lied won't matter though in terms of staying as AG. rules and laws don't apply to politicians
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Trumps son in law and another member of his team met with the Russian ambassador during the campaign. Something definitely stinks. I think they might be in real trouble over this. Just a hunch.
LucidSDreamr
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its so fucked that that the only reason he went to harvard and NYU is that his rich dad had to bribe both schools with mult i million dollar "donations" to let him in. Then his dad gives him billions of dollars...now hes running the government.
never really accomplished anything for himself from what I've read someone correct me if I'm wrong, but somehow that entitles you to "advise" trump.
LucidSDreamr
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Im reading that it technically wasn't a lie because he said "he never met with russian officials in regards to the trump campaign" and that the meetings had to do with his armed service committee duties.
he'll get away with it, they all will. grab em by the pussy
he'll get away with it, they all will. grab em by the pussy
Jabberwocky
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Was there armed rioting when loretta lynch met with bill on her private jet shortly before the announcement there would be no charges against hillary?
I think you just hate Putin because his country is 75% orthodox christian
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Yes I know lots of white people are pieces of shit, never once did I say otherwise. I have a face that really makes the clits tingle,and some guys get defensive I guess
also attracts the wrong kind of attention as well, clearly
. (Although my responses to these people would make things worse)
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SKL
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What we are seeing, right here and right now, is (yet another) full on intelligence-community, i.e. CIA, FBI et al. "palace coup" against a president that they dislike, via leaks (what they call kompromat in Russia, translation unnecessary) to some of the very same papers, same thing which happened to Nixon and almost certainly, and much more unpleasantly, to JFK. That these agencies are doing this and are capable of upturning presidents at will (don't ever think that any major league candidate had enough kompromat for this to happen) should upset people more than a Trump presidency.
(Remember the scene in Oliver Stone's Nixon as he is being escorted away from the students by the Secret Service? "A 19 year old girl taught me more about the federal government than I'd learned in forty years … it's a wild beast …" one that's not accountable to anyone much less a mere President.)
Unlike Nixon (an extremely underrated president although a disaster of a man), who was most definitely presidential material by history, had shining anti-Communist creds, and actually accomplished a great deal, like it or not, but was an alcoholic and a sad clinical case, they're going after Trump at the very outset of his political career, because he's not an insider, and is also, like Nixon towards the end, paranoid, whacked out and unpredictable; eventually, they will impeach him and we'll get a much more conventional conservative Republican president in Pence who, at least, will still be doing the SCOTUS nominating and do more unwinding of some of Obama's more noxious fiats and so on and so forth; unfortunately they'll all be anti-worker and a number of other unfortunate things, but you can't have it all under our system.
Paul Ryan becomes VP and a very vigorous, active, and visible one, bringing himself even more into the public eye and more groomed as "presidential material." The CIA/FBI/etc. have made it known that they're not fucking around, Pence either gets a second term or does and LBJ to make room for Ryan, either he gets elected or a dark horse Democrat, and we're back to politics as usual, meanwhile, the Internet goes nuts and "social media," both captured by governments and occasionally by genuine populist movements, becomes more and more salient (one interesting thing from the latest débâcle is that Wikileaks is a player or at least an avenue that will likely continued to be used for a variety of large-scale political projects.)
Eventually, hopefully, the progressive wing of the Democrat party and the populist wing of the Republican party call it quits and split off, and we, at least for a moment, find ourselves at least with the illusion of the breaking-down of the two party system, which turns into a full-on realignment and eventual fusion back into two different, but still very neoliberal, parties, and the string-pullers working in the shadows still remain; or, alternately, some genuinely good change might come about. But I sincerely doubt it.
(Remember the scene in Oliver Stone's Nixon as he is being escorted away from the students by the Secret Service? "A 19 year old girl taught me more about the federal government than I'd learned in forty years … it's a wild beast …" one that's not accountable to anyone much less a mere President.)
Unlike Nixon (an extremely underrated president although a disaster of a man), who was most definitely presidential material by history, had shining anti-Communist creds, and actually accomplished a great deal, like it or not, but was an alcoholic and a sad clinical case, they're going after Trump at the very outset of his political career, because he's not an insider, and is also, like Nixon towards the end, paranoid, whacked out and unpredictable; eventually, they will impeach him and we'll get a much more conventional conservative Republican president in Pence who, at least, will still be doing the SCOTUS nominating and do more unwinding of some of Obama's more noxious fiats and so on and so forth; unfortunately they'll all be anti-worker and a number of other unfortunate things, but you can't have it all under our system.
Paul Ryan becomes VP and a very vigorous, active, and visible one, bringing himself even more into the public eye and more groomed as "presidential material." The CIA/FBI/etc. have made it known that they're not fucking around, Pence either gets a second term or does and LBJ to make room for Ryan, either he gets elected or a dark horse Democrat, and we're back to politics as usual, meanwhile, the Internet goes nuts and "social media," both captured by governments and occasionally by genuine populist movements, becomes more and more salient (one interesting thing from the latest débâcle is that Wikileaks is a player or at least an avenue that will likely continued to be used for a variety of large-scale political projects.)
Eventually, hopefully, the progressive wing of the Democrat party and the populist wing of the Republican party call it quits and split off, and we, at least for a moment, find ourselves at least with the illusion of the breaking-down of the two party system, which turns into a full-on realignment and eventual fusion back into two different, but still very neoliberal, parties, and the string-pullers working in the shadows still remain; or, alternately, some genuinely good change might come about. But I sincerely doubt it.
i think that characterizing this as 'some people don't like him' is ignoring some pretty serious behavior. between the russian allegations - which mount by the day and need to be investigated by a special prosecutor - to his profiting from the office of the president - which is both immoral and unconstitutional - he's disgracing the office.
in a 2000 interview with fortune magazine he actually had the gall to say "It's very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it," and yet many of his supporters could not care less.
alasdair
in a 2000 interview with fortune magazine he actually had the gall to say "It's very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it," and yet many of his supporters could not care less.
alasdair
and i read this this morning which just made me sad and angry: Donald Trump's disrespect for the military is appalling – and unprecedented
this is a guy who lied about helping veterans. and yet many of his supporters could not care less.
alasdair
(my emphasis)
this is a guy who lied about helping veterans. and yet many of his supporters could not care less.
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That he, and those around him, did it, doesn't change the fact that this is an intelligence-community coup, and that should be more worrying than a Trump presidency; otherwise you're basically saying you'd like to hand the whole process over to the CIA, because at that level, there's enough dirt on anyone, as much of a shitbird that Trump may be.
The Russia stuff is all geopolitical; remember the whole "pivot to Asia?" It's about post-post-Cold War political realignment once Russia has unfucked itself from the "lean years" imposed on it by the Harvard economists. Russia wants a strong Eurasian coalition, even having talked about a "Eurasian Union"; the U.S. deep state wants to fight this, e.g. in Georgia, Crimea, everywhere else, while simultaneously intensifying ties with China (Nixon pops up again!) against Russia; remember, Russia is completely encircled by NATO missiles and such, not a comfortable situation to be in, not one that we would tolerate, that's for sure, we wouldn't even tolerate a couple on a small island, and came close to triggering the destruction of the entire world over the issue, Russia is almost entirely surrounded, and is taking sensible measures, e.g. in the Ukraine, to stop it, while the US spooks are up to their usual tricks in that part of the world to leave an isolated Russia and a friendlier, more economically intertwined with the U.S., China, which is what the spooks want. Although Trump's cabinet now is getting stacked—the spooks again—by more muscularly anti-Russia figures, Trump and those around him were making overtures to Putin to realign again, to "pivot to Europe," seeing (rightly) China as the greater threat and Russia as the better partner.
Also interesting, remember your Orwell: war with Eastasia, war with Eurasia.
Making this about Trump's various misdeeds, or anyone else's, is missing the big picture.
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^Is there really that much dirt on anyone? Do you really think that Obama has skeletons in his closet of this magnitude, but the intelligence agencies turned a blind eye for whatever reason? You say it like it's impossible to avoid having scandal-worthy baggage as a president. I think Occam's Razor would hold in this case that Obama simply was a less corrupt politician, and that is why he managed to avoid scandal during his eight years in office despite intense opposition.
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SKL has been sipping the kool aid again.
i tend to agree.
so far, it seems trump apologists will excuse him and his people for pretty much anything to this point.
there's a solid argument that he's already in violation of the constitution - the supreme law he swore to preserve, protect and defend - and people who support him don't give a shit. it's an absolute american tragedy.
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