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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Oxygal said:
So what I've learned from Kratom WD is that, no it's not as severe in a physical way like traditional opiates, but the sweating and freaking killer anxiety is brutal. The lethargy and lack of motivation also sucks bad. The only good thing is that it hits quick and is over quick (for me at least). Still, not something I want to experience again.
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How quick does the withdrawal phase pass for you?
 
Hi, I take Kratom every day and noticed that Sometimes I get really bad dry mouth. When I have anxiety (social anxiety), it gets worse and I cannot talk to people. Every time I go out I get the fucking dry mouth! I would like to know if kratom worsens anxiety...and thus the anxiety makes the dry mouth worse?

Does anyone have the dry mouth problem? If so how do you deal with it. Or Anxiety for that matter?
 
Sobrietysucks said:
Hi, I take Kratom every day and noticed that Sometimes I get really bad dry mouth. When I have anxiety (social anxiety), it gets worse and I cannot talk to people. Every time I go out I get the fucking dry mouth! I would like to know if kratom worsens anxiety...and thus the anxiety makes the dry mouth worse?

Does anyone have the dry mouth problem? If so how do you deal with it. Or Anxiety for that matter?
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Do you drink enough water? For most people, kratom is an anxiolytic. IME it can be a little anxiogenic if I overdo it with more stimulating strains--especially when im also drinking coffee. I sometimes feel like I get a dry mouth when I feel WD set in if I'm using it all all the time, but not so much while I'm taking it

What strain are you using? Red veins are more relaxing than greens or whites.
 
Slow_Mobius said:
Do you drink enough water? For most people, kratom is an anxiolytic. IME it can be a little anxiogenic if I overdo it with more stimulating strains--especially when im also drinking coffee. I sometimes feel like I get a dry mouth when I feel WD set in if I'm using it all all the time, but not so much while I'm taking it

What strain are you using? Red veins are more relaxing than greens or whites.
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i chugged a bottle of water and the dry mouth still wouldn't go away... I thought the dry mouth was due to dehydration but it seems more related to anxiety.

I take stimulant strains like whites and meang da.

The day I had anxiety episode, I overdid the kratom and drank 2 cups of coffee. I was such a mess, . I felt the exact same way when I was cracked out on amphetamines.

However yesterday I only took a bit of red strains and no coffee and my dry mouth problem appeared again! I kept drinking water and it wouldn't go away..

Today I didn't go out. I took some reds and I am fine. Its almost as if any anxiety provoking situation causes the dry mouth.

I cannot say if its the kratom or my anxiety causing the dry mouth issue. And I don't know if kratom worsens anxiety. But I know that kratom does not do anything for my anxiety. I have not tried going without it as I made a habit of taking them every day..


Thank you for replying to my post. :) I really appreciate it
 
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Damn I just had some kratom and i'm getting the dry mouth again! Drinking powerade not helping the dry mouth keeps coming back. Its always a really nasty case of dry mouth which makes it difficult to speak.
 
Potentiating Kratom?

To begin, I have never done kratom. I am also not an oxy user or anything. No opiate tolerance. I have done lean once (have heard thats barely an opiate) and a perk once.

From what I have read, kratom seems very stimulating like coffee. But I have read somewhere that in higher doses it can be sedating. True? And with opiates, promethazine potentiates them. Is kratom an opiate, or just opiate-like? if that makes sense..

I was prescribed promethazine and have a bunch left over, I am curious to see if the sedating effects of kratom can be increased with it. Thanks!
 
number22 said:
To begin, I have never done kratom. I am also not an oxy user or anything. No opiate tolerance. I have done lean once (have heard thats barely an opiate) and a perk once.

From what I have read, kratom seems very stimulating like coffee. But I have read somewhere that in higher doses it can be sedating. True? And with opiates, promethazine potentiates them. Is kratom an opiate, or just opiate-like? if that makes sense..

I was prescribed promethazine and have a bunch left over, I am curious to see if the sedating effects of kratom can be increased with it. Thanks!
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I merged your post with the megathread
Kratom is an opioid
Opiate -> acts on the opioid receptors and is derived from the poppy plant (i.e. codeine, morphine etc.)
Opioid -> acts on the opioid receptors and is not derived from the poppy plant
 
Sobrietysucks said:
Hi, I take Kratom every day and noticed that Sometimes I get really bad dry mouth. When I have anxiety (social anxiety), it gets worse and I cannot talk to people. Every time I go out I get the fucking dry mouth! I would like to know if kratom worsens anxiety...and thus the anxiety makes the dry mouth worse?

Does anyone have the dry mouth problem? If so how do you deal with it. Or Anxiety for that matter?
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It's been my experience that kratom only causes anxiety when re-dosing too soon. Otherwise, it has actually helped my anxiety, even the more stimulating types. When I have re-dosed too soon, though, I have indeed gotten pretty horrendous anxiety.

And yes, I often do get some pretty bad dry mouth as well. Usually with doses in upwards of 10 grams or more.
 
So, I feel pretty damn stupid for getting quite as dependent on kratom as I have. I have a job that does random drug tests, so instead of partaking in the things I would really like to (weed, opiates, benzos), I turned to kratom because it was legal. Well, I started enjoying it a little bit too much and have completely wiped out my savings on it.

I was taking approximately 20 - 30 grams every day for the past several months now (originally starting back in May), and I decided to quit last night. I'm sweaty, my legs hurt really badly, and I have little to no energy to do anything. Even going to the bathroom or making a sandwich feels like a huge chore right now. I have felt extremely depressed today, though I can't say for sure whether that's related to quitting cold turkey or not. I also just feel generally uncomfortable, like no matter what I'm doing, I just don't feel well. Kind of like how a hangover just generally makes you feel unpleasant. I don't have any nausea or diarrhea, though I do have some stomach pains and little to no appetite.

I'm a bit concerned because I have work tomorrow and I'm sure I'll still feel like shit, if not worse, then. I know this is nowhere near the withdrawal I'd be going through on anything harder, but it still really sucks. Anybody have any tips on what I can do to feel at least a little better? I'm drinking a lot of water and just trying to rest my body as much as I can, because I have a very hectic job and know I will be exhausted after work.
 
You should taper down before quitting CT. 20-30g is heavy daily dosing. Kratom is an opioid, and while WD and tolerance aren't as bad as most pharmaceutical opioids, they're still a problem. You're experiencing physical WD symptoms.

Try taking just enough kratom to make your WD bearable, and slowly drop your dose before completely quitting.
 
^ I agree..tapering is your friend. You would be surprised how just a couple grams in the morning will help get you going.

I hate to say but if you are feeling this bad so soon then the next the 48-72 hours to will probably be really bad if you still insist on going cold turkey.
 
Snake_Eyes said:
^ I agree..tapering is your friend. You would be surprised how just a couple grams in the morning will help get you going.

I hate to say but if you are feeling this bad so soon then the next the 48-72 hours to will probably be really bad if you still insist on going cold turkey.
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Really good point IMO. Surprisingly small doses can help a ton!
 
Slow_Mobius said:
Try taking just enough kratom to make your WD bearable, and slowly drop your dose before completely quitting.
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Snake_Eyes said:
I hate to say but if you are feeling this bad so soon then the next the 48-72 hours to will probably be really bad if you still insist on going cold turkey.
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Slow_Mobius said:
Really good point IMO. Surprisingly small doses can help a ton!
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I was originally adamant about completely quitting now and detoxing at home, but I trust your guys' judgment, so I'll hear you all out and try to taper down a bit. Sure enough, I had some remainders left from some OPMS liquid alkaloids to mellow out my symptoms for tonight, and I'll try to be disciplined and buy some tomorrow just to dose myself down until I have a few more days off. I'll try to post over the next few days as I dose down, just to tell about what happens. Thanks heaps for the advice.
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
I guess was asking how quickly the physical symptoms pass for you but it you remember how long the mental stuff hung around for then that info is helpful too.
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Im sorry for my delay in a response. I haven't logged in much lately. All I can tell you is from my own personal experience, and WD seems to vary greatly from individual to individual.

My first 24 hours is rather mild. I experience boredom and restlessness mentally, on a physical level I start having annoying sweating that is much worse during sleep. I wake up really sweaty and hate that. Physically, for me, it's the 24-48 mark that is the hardest. Total lack of appetite, slight leg pain, and insomnia. After the 48 hour mark (roughly), for me, physical symptoms greatly diminish and it just becomes major anxiety, and again, the boredom and WTF do I do with my time kind of thing.

Maybe I'm lucky on the physical end of it bc it's 2 days of shit and then basically normal again. For me, the mental part going into day 3 and beyond is a bit of a bitch.
 
Have been using kratom successfully for more than 2 years of almost daily consumption of about 4-8 grams a day, mostly white strains. No noticeable WD for me.
But few months ago I've noticed a strange skin dryness which got accompanied by keratosis pilaris (called chicken skin), it's not dangerous in any way but it is uncomfortable. So I'm not sure if kratom or any contaminant had caused this issue. Anybody else had noticed extremely dry skin from kratom use?
 
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