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no surprise that you can't won't answer a simple question, as usual, droppers.

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...and the driving down of wages due to illegal hirings.
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oh haha.

and who is the nominee for secretary of labor? andrew pudzer, ceo of a fast food chain where the average wage is $10/hr. oh, and he and his wife employed an undocumented, illegal immigrant.

i assume, given the latter fact, you'll join me in opposing his confirmation, droppers?

#drainingtheswamp #uniquelyunqualified

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
no surprise that you can't won't answer a simple question, as usual, droppers.

oh haha.

and who is the nominee for secretary of labor? andrew pudzer, ceo of a fast food chain where the average wage is $10/hr. oh, and he and his wife employed an undocumented, illegal immigrant.

i assume, given the latter fact, you'll join me in opposing his confirmation, droppers?

#drainingtheswamp #uniquelyunqualified

alasdair
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He also helped her get become a legal citizen. He would hardly be the first candidate of this position to be accused of this :\

Bwahahahha you truly believe fast food workers deserve more than 10 dollars an hour? Please tell me you're kidding.
 
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He also helped her get become a legal citizen. He would hardly be the first candidate of this position to be accused of this :\

Bwahahahha you truly believe fast food workers deserve more than 10 dollars an hour? Please tell me you're kidding.
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If anyone is working for less than 10/hr they're either a teenager or they're being exploited and you know that.
 
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Someone once pointed out that the US has a weird policy of subsidizing certain businesses.

We all know that if an adult is making minimum wage, or close to it, they are likely requiring on various government programs to get by.

But a livable wage is unpopular.

Therefore, not only does the US reward those businesses that don't pay a livable wage by offering subsidies, we appear to prefer it that way. We'd rather have a cheaper burger at the fast food window and pay more in taxes, instead of having a livable wage and shrinking the dependency on government.
 
Joblessness and underemployment is a lot higher than the cited 4.8% unemployment rate. According to that calculation, anybody who has been unemployed for more than 6 months but who still cannot find a job is no longer counted as unemployed. This is especially so in the rust belt and former coal mining states where the main employers fired everybody when their industries were offshored and outsourced under the Cllintons in the 1990s. There are places where only a fraction of the population works.

A more accurate figure is the "work force participation rate." It accounts for able-bodied, working-aged people who have been out of work for longer than 6 months and who are no longer reporting to the unemployment office.

That figure is more like 62%, meaning that close to 38% of the population is out of work. It might have recovered a little since the housing bubble, but it is still among the worst it has been since the Great Depression.

My impression is that Red States are hit harder by joblessness than Blue States, and that is who mostly supported Trump. He knows enough about labor statistics to realize the 4.8% number is bogus, and he spoke to those people. Whether or not he delivers is a different story.
 
^ pick a metric and make a prediction?

this is a president who campaigned on creating jobs. he said people were going to be fed up of winning so much. he's made some bold claims about jobs and he's set the bar for himself very, very high. i mean, if things are the worst they've been since the depression, then the only way is up and he's going to really turn things around, right?

alasdair
 
socko said:
Joblessness and underemployment is a lot higher than the cited 4.8% unemployment rate. According to that calculation, anybody who has been unemployed for more than 6 months but who still cannot find a job is no longer counted as unemployed. This is especially so in the rust belt and former coal mining states where the main employers fired everybody when their industries were offshored and outsourced under the Cllintons in the 1990s. There are places where only a fraction of the population works.

A more accurate figure is the "work force participation rate." It accounts for able-bodied, working-aged people who have been out of work for longer than 6 months and who are no longer reporting to the unemployment office.

That figure is more like 62%, meaning that close to 38% of the population is out of work. It might have recovered a little since the housing bubble, but it is still among the worst it has been since the Great Depression.

My impression is that Red States are hit harder by joblessness than Blue States, and that is who mostly supported Trump. He knows enough about labor statistics to realize the 4.8% number is bogus, and he spoke to those people. Whether or not he delivers is a different story.
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Yep, this exactly. I'm not sure coal is ever going to come back like it once was, but we can at least lift regulation and allow its sale to China in larger quantities. Trump has made some big promises, but he seems pretty motivated to make good on them. Renegotiating Nafta, actively fighting globalism, and even just keeping the clintons out of the White House will help plenty in this battle to get back to 4 and 5% real GDP growth years.
 
Alisdairm: Would you like an optimistic prediction or a realistic prediction?

I will point out taht economic conditions in the US are now so bad that illegal economic migrants are leaving voluntarily and have been so for several years.

The way the government treated the coal industry was heavy-handed and abrupt, and the jobloss devestated entire states. It should have been either gradually phased out or used in a way that is less poluting. I agree that more effort could have been made to export it. Also, not all coal is of the same quality. Some low grade coal is high in sulfur and other polutants. Burning it creates acid rain. Other coal deposits have low sulfur content and are relatively clean. They pollute far less. Also, there is coal-scrubbing technology that can reduce emmisions.
 
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socko said:
Alisdairm: Would you like an optimistic prediction or a realistic prediction?
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i'm interested in your honest prediction of where we'll be after 4 years of tremendous winning under trump :)

socko said:
I will point out taht economic conditions in the US are now so bad that illegal economic migrants are leaving voluntarily and have been so for several years.
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trump knew the context in which he made his bold predictions on jobs and he set the bar high for himself. he's not going to be able to point fingers and use excuses if he fails to deliver.

alasdair
 
socko said:
Alisdairm: Would you like an optimistic prediction or a realistic prediction?

I will point out taht economic conditions in the US are now so bad that illegal economic migrants are leaving voluntarily and have been so for several years.

The way the government treated the coal industry was heavy-handed and abrupt, and the jobloss devestated entire states. It should have been either gradually phased out or used in a way that is less poluting. I agree that more effort could have been made to export it. Also, not all coal is of the same quality. Some low grade coal is high in sulfur and other polutants. Burning it creates acid rain. Other coal deposits have low sulfur content and are relatively clean. They pollute far less. Also, there is coal-scrubbing technology that can reduce emmisions.
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My favorite spin on all the migrants going home is that obama is so tough on immigration and that these are due to his deportation efforts!

Yep clean coal is big in western Kentucky, but it is much more expensive to produce. I agree it was phased out far too hastily. To the point where you wonder if effecting the economy negatively was their intent.
 
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Yeah because those are jobs meant for teenagers. No I don't think people should make more at low skill jobs, just bc they are older and have families.
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So you believe that unskilled workers should make 7.25/hr; now, please explain to me why if unskilled workers should be treated this way, how bringing back manufacturing jobs will save the country. Any Joe Shmoe can stand on a factory line and do his mundane task in the auto factory all day and not have to have a lick of skill to do it, so should we now pay these renewed-trump-promise workers 7.25/hr as well?
 
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