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That's nothing. I went to a meeting with the psychiatrist last week and she wants to take me completely off it.

Even though my doctor said she was fine with prescribing it to me at this dose and I've weaned down to almost nothing. But my psychiatrist sees it as her job to get me off the and isn't interested in helping me with my sleeping problems. And she's been put in charge with dealing with my sleep medication. In other words, just a diplomatic way to force me off it. But I won't say any more or I'll just explode with rage.

At least you can order research chemicals, though. If I tried ordering something like U-47700 from Asia, not only would it be seized, I would probably go to prison for a year for it, as I'm already on double probation. Draconian drug laws.
 
Wow yeah, that's crazy. In the US people import shit all the time. I have had shit delivered to my mailbox so many times, never had a problem.

Etizolam is a good benzo that's available as a research chemical, probably my favorite benzo actually. Do you take them nightly? Or just sometimes as needed? Taking benzos every day (or night) is a really bad idea because you encounter physical addiction and it's a pretty serious one.
 
Yes, I've been through the Etizolam addiction and was hospitalised many times for it. I can't import research chemicals any more, they check everything.
 
At 8am snow started falling, I've shoveled twice and it is still falling. I do love the silence of falling snow, just standing in it sweating from work.
 
All day, more snow, everything is cancelled and I'm running out of room to out snow. Apparently more snow for 3 days still.
 
I have a question for the P&S regulars, which of the following areas of philosophy do you find most interesting: normative ethics, political philosophy, philosophy of mind, metaphysics, logic, or epistemology? If logic, please indicate which kind: classical, modal, intuitionistic or relevant. There are other areas of philosophy (and my list of formal systems is not exhaustive), but these are the areas where I feel competent enough to create some threads of interest, so I have chosen to restrict my enquiry to these areas.
 
drug_mentor said:
I have a question for the P&S regulars, which of the following areas of philosophy do you find most interesting: normative ethics, political philosophy, philosophy of mind, metaphysics, logic, or epistemology? If logic, please indicate which kind: classical, modal, intuitionistic or relevant. There are other areas of philosophy (and my list of formal systems is not exhaustive), but these are the areas where I feel competent enough to create some threads of interest, so I have chosen to restrict my enquiry to these areas.
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Metaphysics, logic (intuitionistic) and epistemology are the types I'd be most interested in participating in personally, but all is good. Many people , myself included, don't have necessary background to participate so a well framed question with references to pertinent background that are balanced are a good way to start the discussion so one can educate oneself prior to engaging in the discussion. It could stimulate some interesting discussions. Always welcome and a nice way to elevate the discussion . Those efforts are always appreciated.
 
Thanks for the reply LB! :)

I will attempt, for any thread I may make, to make it as accessible as possible. Are there any particular topics in metaphysics and epistemology which you are interested in?

I am curious what interests you about intuitionistic logic, in particular. Are you more interested in the formal side of things, or the philosophical motivtion for intuitionistic logic? I made a logic thread some time ago, but I think it was a bit inaccessible due to the focus on rules of inference and formal proofs in classical propositional logic. I was thinking maybe I could make a thread where the focus was on the philosophical motivations for various non-classical logics, with a focus on intuitionistic and paraconsistent logics. Perhaps by focusing on issues surrounding the law of excluded middle, dialetheism/the law of non-contradiction, and perhaps paradoxes of material implication, rather than more formal features of the various systems, the discussion would be more accessible to those without much formal background. At this stage I am not sure whether this would be of any interest to the majority of those who lack any familiarity with formal systems, though.
 
Xorkoth said:
Wow, part of me would love all that snow, but the other part would hate it. I love snow but it can be damn inconvenient.
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I walked for groceries, it's nearly 60cm deep with drifts that are a meter. People are not good at shoveling the sidewalk. I met a homeless woman pushing a cart swearing at it and everyone going by. After helping her get through blocks of snow to her destination she yelled at me for thinking poorly of her. Specifically for thinking she couldn't control her anger, which I was. It was one of those moments you just can't quite shake off.
 
drug_mentor said:
I am curious what interests you about intuitionistic logic, in particular. Are you more interested in the formal side of things, or the philosophical motivtion for intuitionistic logic?
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Actually my interest in intuitionistic logic is more for educational purposes. I've heard of it and browsed the wiki page just now but it isn't something I've been exposed to. I took courses in classical logic in both philosophy courses and in mathematics (I double majored in chemistry and math but went on to study chemistry in grad school... didn't finish my Ph.D but that's another story) just to give you my background. If a lively discussion started about it, I'd be apt to read up on it is all and maybe ask some questions or post some comments with the help of google of course.
 
Fair enough, well if others express interest in the more formal side of things I might do something on it. In the absence of other interested parties I fear the thread would just be a back and forth between us. I thought it might be more accessible to discuss the intuitionistic rejection of the law of excluded middle/bivalence, as I feel this is something of philosophical interest even outside the context of formal systems.

Intuitionistic logic doesn't include the derivation rule of double negation elimination (though it does allow double negation introduction) in order to prevent the derivability of the law of excluded middle (P v ~P). If you are familiar with normal modal logics, all of the valid formulas of S4 can be translated into valid formulas in classical intuitionistic logic, I believe it was Gödel who first proved this.

Which topics in metaphysics and epistemology interest you the most?
 
drug_mentor said:
Which topics in metaphysics and epistemology interest you the most?
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Thank DM,

yeah, best to keep the concepts needed to engage in the discussion simple and accessible to encourage participation. As for metaphysics and epistemology, there's a long list of interesting topics. For example, on the nature of perception and the nature of reality. Models of perception and questions relating to whether perception is veridical. Concepts and questions relating collective consciousness and collective phenomena. Afterlife. Intuition. Creativity. Intelligence. Etc, etc.

I'm not the most inclined towards debate tbh. I cast a wide net and rarely form opinions. I'm in it for the learning, for exposure to a variety of thought processes, ideas, to be helpful if I can, etc. I check on bluelight once daily to see if there's any good discussions going on. Some posters have been around the block and have really interesting things to share and personal experiences to contribute and occasionally it creates an opening for my own experiences and interests. Been slim pickings lately, and sometimes less than civil, so if you can get something going based on something you read recently or something you're interested in have a go at it.
 
Canadians seem to like talking about snow. I try to forget about it. It's always melting up these days, anyway.
 
LOL. I wasn't having a dig at Canadians. There was just so much snow in my country when I grew up and now I'm glad there's not.
 
I wish there wasn't so much here, yesterday was raining well below freezing everything was iced up. Power went out 2 or 3 times roads were just crazy trees breaking from the ice, now the snow has a crust of ice on it I can walk on top of. Nothing really for a rural setting but it's killing homeless people. Vancouver and the Fraser Valley are typically the winter refuge for Canadian homeless, the rest of the country is much harsher weather.

I don't work with homeless people directly anymore but it's a rough season and this winter is so harsh. When weather gets horrible the homeless are just the first victims, once we get power failures, elderly start getting missed, can't relight their furnaces etc.

Yes, Canadians talk about snow, it is our most abundant resourse. Canada is a huge country with few people. I've been days without power, snowed in on a mountain making coffee on a BBQ, in June. We have great stories but there's always snow.
 
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