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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy ETH-LAD Thread

Does anyone have any guesses how long eth lad, in tab form stored away from direct light, air, and kept at cool room temperatures might last? I know TIkhal said it was unstable but I don't believe that example was using blotter.. Would it be reasonable to assume it might last a year stored under these conditions? Has anyone had any stored for a long time and found it still good?
 
Yes, people on this forum have found that it seems to be fine stored under the conditions you describe.

It's possible that eth-lad is less stable than lsd, but it's also possible that shulgins synthesis left some byproducts in the mix that caused it to degrade faster than you'd otherwise expect.

IMO the eth-lad that's going around is more stable than what shulgin found with his.
 
Hard to compare, because what happens varies so much upon what is happening all around and within you.
So far my ALD-52 sessions have been slow paced and radiant, glowing things, and my ETH-LAD sessions have been more active and detailed frothy things.
 
Haven't seen any, but it sounds like a glorious combo. If I would do it I think I would drop the 4-AcO-DMT an hour into the ETH-LAD. Maybe I would take 50 ug + 20 mg. I think that way I would be able to separate the come-ups a little bit, as the ETH-LAD come-up is a little body-loaded for me, and trypts also tend to have a rather shaky come up, but still push through the insta-tolerance psychedelics have.
 
Once it's laid on blotter it should be relatively stable. I think the main stability problems were when it was dissolved.
 
pupnik said:
Hard to compare, because what happens varies so much upon what is happening all around and within you.
So far my ALD-52 sessions have been slow paced and radiant, glowing things, and my ETH-LAD sessions have been more active and detailed frothy things.
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Frothy is a perfect description of the first phase of an ETH-LAD trip. My last experience was 300ug eth-lad plus 125ug Ald52. It was a true white knuckle ride and they seemed to really potentiate one another. I've coped fine with 300ug eth-lad on its own, but even then it is fairly challenging.
I used to do a lot of flying for work, particularly between Chicago and New York. I'd describe the eth-lad experience at a higher dose thus:

You're on the runway at O'Hare. It is raining and there are storms nearby, but there is a brief window for take off. Eth-lad is given the all clear to push back and head for the runway.

Its a long way to the runway from the gate and you are gently propelled, sometimes forgetting you are moving at all as you slowly take in the changing scenery. Then the acceleration starts. You suddenly realise that you're actually more affected than you thought. The speed increases and you lift off. But, there is turbulence: the nearby storms make for a very bumpy ride as you approach the cloud base and you are jolted around, seeing only fog and the flashing lights from the wing tips.

You start questioning the rationale of the trip. Why am I tripping? What is going on? It's difficult to get comfortable and your head is totally engulfed by a fog as you fidget around unable to keep still.

Then, suddenly, you break free from the clouds and level off. A full moon lights up the cotton wool of the cloud tops but you can still see flashes of lightning around. However, you are above it all. Your eth-lad peak feels joyous and you settle down to enjoy the next few hours in first class, sipping high quality wine and listening to Elvira Madigan by Mozart.

That, to me, is what a higher dose of eth-lad feels like. Wonderfully challenging in the first phase and utterly blissful in the second phase. It's by far my favourite lysergamide (I've tried ald52, 1p-lsd, al-lad and Lsd) and I will be stocking up on it. Assuming that the evil customs do not grab my next order!
 
Whitefox - what an awesome explanation! :D

If I would to combine ETH-LAD, Id combine it with some phenethylamine first, as any lysergics are going very well with phens for me, then I'd probably go for ETH-LAD with 4-Aco-DET, as they both have ethyl- ends and have somewhat similar feel to them. I would do 2/3 of the ETH-LAD tab with about 15mg of 4-Aco-DET.
 
I have combined 2c-b with eth-lad and found it a very enjoyable experience. This was in the second part of the trip when I'd broken through to the euphoria and let me tell you it was something special!

I was staying in an apartment in Glasgow on the 14th floor with views across the river Clyde towards the southern part of the city. It was as if the lights were spiralling upwards towards a thunderstorm where the lightning was flashing red.

Nothing comes close to the eth-lad visuals and for all those who think of visuals as unnecessary eye candy, I respond by saying in the case of eth-lad they are just reward for coming through the mentally challenging first part of the trip.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether taking 200 mgs a day of 5-htp for a few weeks prior to the trip would severely dull th effects of eth-lad? My plan was to stop taking the 5-htp a week before (and I'm comfortable with the thought of stopping).. Would this be sufficient to reduce the risk of the 5-htp 'competing' with the eth lad.. If this makes sense... I've done what online research I could using LSD and 5-htp information (assuming lsd would be pretty comparable to eth-lad in this regard) but found some people reporting that taking 5-htp days prior to the trip severely reduced the effects while others report no impact at all... If anyone has any relevant experiences or thoughts on this please share... I think I've read everything relevant on the Inter-web ☺️
 
By my rough understanding, if you stopped taking 5-htp even a day or two before the ETH-LAD it shouldn't affect your trip at all. I can't see it kicking around in your system longer than that.

Actually I didn't even think it would compete with ETH-LAD, so this idea is news to me, and I think it could be false.

But whatever is true wrt LSD should be pretty much the same for ETH-LAD.
 
I got the opertunity to try this yesterday ... started with 50ug just to test the waters and once I knew that it was reacting fine with me I raised the dose to 200ug ... I found this to be an amazing trip that I shared with my gf with plenty of amazing moments and pretty strong visuals which blew us both away with a moment were i was verging on egi loss which took ne by surprise and scored the shit out of me although also found that it doesn't have something that lsd has but I'm not quite sure of what but we both agreed with this that lsd would still be our preferrence out of the two but would definetly repeat . I would also like to note that I found it a substantially stronger than 1p-eth-lad .
 
perpetualdawn said:
By my rough understanding, if you stopped taking 5-htp even a day or two before the ETH-LAD it shouldn't affect your trip at all. I can't see it kicking around in your system longer than that.

Actually I didn't even think it would compete with ETH-LAD, so this idea is news to me, and I think it could be false.

But whatever is true wrt LSD should be pretty much the same for ETH-LAD.
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Thanks! I'll report back afterwards if I found it changed the experience in some way.
 
Slowly, yes, but that's probably fine. No one really knows how quickly ETH-LAD degrades, it's probably similar to LSD in this respect, but there is conjecture that it degrades more easily.

Light and moisture are definitely the main culprits. Using sealed baggies/container, dessicant outside the sealed thing, and complete absence of light will probably keep it pretty safe. Putting it in the freezer is debatable as you have to be really careful about condensation when it warms up, but if you can keep it cool that will help as well.
 
if you can keep it locked away (under a key), what you set up will be less likely tampered with.
 
I'm happy to report that taking 5-htp for a few weeks prior to taking eth-lad did not inhibit the effects. I can't say for sure though that having taken 5-htp for a few weeks prior didn't potentiate the effects...but I suspect not because I did increase the dosage (too many variables, appreciate this is not a well run experiment!).

My previous maximum dosage had been 80-90 mcg and this time the dosage was somewhere between 110-120 mcgs. This eth-lad experience had the same character as my last experience but the effects were so much more intense. The initial, first peak was far more intense and I found myself laughing far more than I expected to. I was also very energetic, almost manic but without any anxiety or racy thoughts. When the second peak hit it was almost overwhelming yet never uncomfortable, or anxiety-causing.... which is incredible to me because never before, on any substance, have I experienced such powerful oevs...

Every part of my visual field was affected, objects morphing, colour saturated, moving slightly, re-arranging and reforming like swirling puzzle pieces... light tracers making Tron light patterns through my periphery, swirling nebula (nebulae?) moving around the floors... it was simply incredible... at times all of these effects would converge and it felt like I was walking around in a Van Gogh painting... despite how intense this was, I felt centered and in control... had no negative thoughts or feelings at all. These powerful visuals lasted for hours..

I also experienced ego loss for the first time ever.. at least I believe I did.... at times I would be doing something and then I'd snap into awareness that I was 'back' and I'd realize that for a moment prior "I" wasn't there... it was fleeting and only happened several times for a few seconds but was very noticeable. I'm not sure if it was because the duration of these moments was short but it didn't alarm or concern me, I would be struck that it happened and then just continue on with the experience.

The experience overall was powerful, deep, emotional to a degree I had not experienced before. I've read online other comments that small increases of this substance can increase the effects substantially... I'm inclined to believe this was the case for me and the effects were the result of the dosage increase and not the 5-htp... in any case... I'm thinking going forward I will likely use 100 mcg's as I feel this is a better dose for me personally but I am incredibly satisfied with this experience.

I write this report the following morning and feel centered, happy and well rested (started my trip at 1 pm yesterday so it was easy to fall asleep at a decent hour).
 
I see no reason why 5-HTP would inhibit the effects of a psychedelic.

Sounds like you had a nice time. :) I'm thinking of grabbing a supply of ETH and AL-LAD while I still can. I've had ETH-LAD once before, and I enjoyed it a lot.
 
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