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johnnyB1990

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Hey guys, so I posted the other day about methadone and the answer I got, although kind and obviously was meant to be helpful, didn't end up addressing my end question. I'm aware you can't get high of methadone as I said I've had 3 times my daily dose of 120mg at once and it did nothing, I'm not interested in tapering down so I can slam smack as I said in the last post I never used needles and don't wish to start now and as I said also in last post, I'm aware people often turn to alcohol benzos coke etc but I have GIVEN UP all other drugs. So basically I should of worded my question better, as my goal is not how to get more "fucked up", as it was so delicately put. I am happy staying on the MMT, so I guess what I'm trying to say is, I still feel the urge to have more methadone even after my dose of 120mg, the effects feel as if they have worn off within around 3 hours of having it and if I haven't had my dose again within 24 hours I'm crook as a dog. I'm five foot seven and weigh 60 kilo. Shouldn't my dose be lasting me longer? Is there a way of taking it so it does last me longer and so I don't feel like I need more of the fucking devil shit that it is. Have tried suboxone/subutex, have tried dosing morning and night, before food, after food. It makes it difficult ad I work 12 hour shifts as a mechanical fitter, if I have my dose Sunday morning, I start work 6 am Monday morning which is too early to dose, but by the time I knock off at 6pm, I'm so fuckin crook it's beyond a joke, however if I dose at 6pm at night, I'm groggy and fucked up all day and still getting sick by around lunch time anyway. Is there any other medication I could take to prolong the duration? Can't stress enough this is NOT to get more off my guts, it's purely to help me function better. I got a mortgage,a good job,5 kids, a missus, I'm 26 years old, don't wanna get off the shit cos I'll go back to drugs and fuck all of the above up but for works sake I need this to last me better. Sorry for the huge post, I know it will be like reading war and fucking peace for you all but if you have the time and any advice, please share it. Cheers.
 
There are a few potentiators that you could use to help it last longer, but youre right, methadone should be lasting you at least 12 hours. There is a page on here that is devoted to potentiation, so look that up. One great one is Nigella Sativa seed oil, or cimetidine.
 
I dont know much about omeprazole but i dont think it would work the same unless it also happens to be a CYP3A4 and CYP2D6 enzyme inhibitor because those are the two responsible for most opioid breakdowns
 
I also am in MMT. I'm going 3 days a week right now I'm only at 90mg and it lasts me all day. Soon as I wake up in the morning (on empty stomach) I take a tagament (cimetidine) 20 minutes later I take 2-3 tums (calcium carbonate 750mg) 10 minutes later I dose. Soon as dose kicks in I take another tagament and drink a glass of water then I will eat and have my coffee. An acidic stomach makes ur stomach not able to absorb all ur dose so the tums and antacid tablet makes able to absorb ur full dose and the tagament also helps the liver enzymes so the methadone lasts longer. This works real well for me and a couple friends from my clinic. Hope this helps you also.
 
Amplifying methadone

Also fluoxetine HCl (Prozac®) for periods of 10 or less days slows the metabolism/elimination of methadone. Do not use it long enough for its antidepressant effects to kick in, or you'll be sorry.

Cimetidine (Tagamet® or generic cimetidine) is by far the preferred agent to boost methadone. Take 300-450mg q 8 h (every 8 hrs), and you will soon note up to 110% of its effects when taken alone. Could take 3-4 days to become noticeable, and in the end your answer is to ask for a methadone dosage increase from your program, anyhows.
 
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Hey Johnny, I feel like I'm the poster you're talking about in your original post ;). I'm sorry if you thought I was making implications about your or your life. I didn't mean to do that at all. I don't subscribe to the "You can't use drugs and have a normal life" creed, so don't even worry about that. I wouldn't even think it's a bad thing if you wanted to catch a buzz every now and then.

When I said, "I've taken triple my dose in a single sitting and felt nothing" I wasn't trying to imply that you're looking to abuse in the same way, I was just trying to illustrate the utter futility of the practice. It's so futile, that I ended with the suggestion that it would be ultimately easier to withdraw and use different Opioids. Why would I include the "3 times the amount" comment? Well, if taking triple a daily dose does nothing, what makes you think that an antacid will have the strength to make a difference?

You're more than welcome to try for yourself, in fact, I encourage it, I just would like to save you some time and money if you're at all interested, by going over my story. To refresh, my story consists of being on 120mg per day of Methadone for years, desiring a buzz and increase in duration. Tried the following substances, most at least a dozen times, as you buy a bottle of something, you might as well:

Cimetidine- 200mg - 800mg 2 hours prior to dosing, 2 hours after and everything in between.
Omeprazole - Same essentially
Milk Thistel - A few pills
Cat's Claw - A few capsules
Grapefruit, both extract, juice and whole fruits, both red and white.
Sodium Bicarbonate, which include TUMS
Various antidepressants

Never got anything that could truly be discerned from placebo from any of these. Again, I have no vested interest in getting you not to do these things, but I feel you'll be disappointed in the end.
 
Hey mate, wasn't trying to have a whinge, just figured I should re word the question, cos after your response, I looked at how I posted it, realized that in no way whatsoever did I come close to even touching on the point I was trying to make, so basically my enormous essay and war and peace needed to be un fucked and re wrote. The reason why I thing an antacid may make a difference Cobba is because I haven't tried it before, that's what makes me think it might make a difference, and just cos one bloke on the net tells me it won't work why would I consider it gospel? Went over your story sever times, realized that you ignored a lot of what I said, so I reworded it. To be honest you are started to get on my nerves tho cos u constantly sound like a fuckin smart arse who's trying to argue the point and contradict everything I say. Why would u include the 3 times dose? Why would u include wacking smack, when if you actually wanted to go over what I said you would realize I don't use needles or smack. Why don't I want to reduce dose and go back to opiates? Cos I will fuck my life up yet again like a fucking clown and I'm not keen on losing my house, car, 4 kids or pregnant missus. Thanks for the pearls of wisdom, let's leave it there alright champ. :)
 
To johnny81900: I actually found the antacid use as something I never heard of before but perchance might be true anyways: because it so closely resembles Peruvian natives who chew coca leaves in the mountains but make an annual migration to the Pacific to collect shells containing the close chemical relative calcium carbonate (a middle-strength alkali salt), and via centuries of experience know that taking a bit of powdered CaCO3 along with the coca they are chewing will significantly enhance the amount of coca their mucus membranes in their mouthes absorb (of cocaine base).

You have the perfect operating attitude to apply to anything I utter at bluelight: because for the past 45 yrs (I just turned 60) I became, and am, an expert of pharmacology with the strong specialization in psychoactive substances. This, if even just on an unconscious basis, makes me all "full of myself!!!" Meaning: do not believe a word I say til you substantiate the thought for yourself independent of what I might have said. It comes to the most basic of basics: suppose I make one of my infrequent mistakes and say something either just plain wrong or wrong as applies to you...it is your life, so no matter what my opinion would be, you are the consequences-endurer! Check everything out from multiple sources FOR YOURSELF. I would do the same. So if one bloke says such and such, there simply is no reason to take whatever was said as any bullshit variety of simulated perfect truth or the like. By living your own life and reaping the errors and rewards, you advance further down the road of drug knowledge: a very complex thing!
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Mine wasn't lasting me so I was put on split doses, I'd try that before bumping the dose up. I've tried all these(exempt for Prozac ) for boosting my dose and it's barely noticeable.
 
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