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CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

Putin told Germany that regardless how things go the first night of marriage, the outcome is always the same. And although I don't wana sound like Achilles asking kings to fight their own battles, Hilary is really fragile! She's brittle! She's like a midget with a huge head, she has epilepsy and if she falls, that big head is gona break like a watermelon. That's insane! You need some beef into you as well to be president, you can't drive the country from a wheelchair or your drive will be representative of it. It's like having a phone interview while laying on your couch, the couch will appear in the tone of your voice. Come on, lets be serious, just send her to a retirement home, give her a walking stick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcDKefbX7js

Look at that video, what does Hilary have vs. Putin? He was gonna wipe his ass with her. Why shame USA just because the lefties want their way?
 
morninggloryseed said:
Its my own brand of sarcasm/humor. Something people can use more of in this forum. Some people, usually on the left, are just in a state of perpetual outrage. It is not healthy.
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Complacency in the face of corruption is, to me, far more unhealthy.
The confected outrage of the right is far more insidious.

If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Did you pay attention to the GOP during the primaries? They weren't fond of Trump. They tried to block him, which just played into Trump's outside message.

I bet Trump's email is a gold mine as well. Considering what he says publicly on Twitter, I'd imagine his emails are even better.

Plus, even if there isn't anything, people will read the dumbest bloody conspiracies into an email dump - e.g. Pizzagate.
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Trump's emails had nothing to do with government.
 
Wait, so we're worried that Russians hacked into the elections, but we're not worried that they just stopped by Hilary's private e-mail server which required no hacking?

I give you the finger :)
 
Ksa said:
Wait, so we're worried that Russians hacked into the elections, but we're not worried that they just stopped by Hilary's private e-mail server which required no hacking?

I give you the finger :)
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Remember how 4 years ago obama mocked romney for saying russia was a threat 8)

It's like the left is back in the 50s lol
 
Has anybody else noticed that this latest "scandal" matches the classic formula tyrannical governments use for abusing citizens? They claim X happened and that it is a problem. In this case, X is hacked elections. Next, they say we need to be upset about X because of Y. Y is the Russians, just liek it was in 1950. Then, they offer to solve X by passing such and such a law. That law they pass invariable infringes on citizens' rights, reduces freedom, and decreases the standard of living while increasing the power of the government and making those in power richer.
Ryan01 said:
Remember how 4 years ago obama mocked romney for saying russia was a threat 8)

It's like the left is back in the 50s lol
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Personally I don't think there's much weight to this whole thing. It smells the same as the news media in the UK of late saying that we only had an EU referendum due to internal struggles in the conservative party.. ruling class trying to deflect attention away from the fact that the masses are starting to stir, and beginning to mobilize for a direction that is counter to what has been planned for our nations. It does have the typical whiff of the overseas boogey man who we can just dump all our hatred on to deflect attention away from the fact that no internal issues are being resolved by our governments, but there's definitely a different, desperate odor to this.

EDIT: Just seen this.. again these people have no shame about being willfully ignorant of the world that exists outside their political class bubble. It's pathetic.

Labour MP claims Russia interfered with the EU referendum
http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/13/labour-mp-claims-russia-interfered-with-the-eu-referendum-6320811/
 
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-=SS=- said:
Personally I don't think there's much weight to this whole thing. It smells the same as the news media in the UK of late saying that we only had an EU referendum due to internal struggles in the conservative party.
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I remember hearing about this for years. Here's an old article from January 2013.

The Conservative leader has been under pressure from many of his MPs to give a binding commitment to a vote on Europe.

Here's another from the same time:

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said it was a speech that Cameron never wanted to make. When he became a modernising Tory leader in 2005, he said he did not want the Tories to spend more time "banging on" about Europe.

Cameron's critics – including European leaders – say the promise of an in/out referendum shows that Cameron is now the captive of his Eurosceptic party. Labour strategists are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of painting Cameron like John Major - a weak leader who is following his party rather than leading it.
 
Just a reminder to the conspiracy theorists - Assange has explained over and over that the released emails were from a LEAK not a hack. That means a DNC insider gave him the emails.

Also, everything the CIA and other agencies claim are only speculation. They have provided zero evidence to back their claims.

One thing that is bizarre is that historically the Republicans have been the ones who blamed the Russians.

I suspect HRC is behind these stories.
 
socko said:
Just a reminder to the conspiracy theorists - Assange has explained over and over that the released emails were from a LEAK not a hack. That means a DNC insider gave him the emails.
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(A) You are assuming Assange is credible. The released emails shows a phishing attack. That's not impossible for an insider to do, but it doesn't require an insider.

(B) You are assuming that Assange is knowledgeable. Even if Assange is credible, I strongly suspect that Wikileaks doesn't ask for a real name and proof of identity.

Both have to be true.

For example, a scenario that's consistent with (A) but not (B) is that the above phishing attack is the source of the leak, and the attacker approached Wikileaks claiming to be an insider.
 
Oh my I will definitely be staying out of this thread LOL my wife is a political science major so I was forced to learn a lot. Proven fact people vote off of emotion not logic and this thread proves it if everyone was more open-minded and not such a brand loyalist the facts are right there in front of you. Only thing that can get under my skin is ignorant voters that do zero research and only listen to the mainstream media. Oh and I love social media that's the best Facebook news laughing my ass off. I beg people to research both sides not just one like most do. You need logic to make an informed decision people do not seem to understand that..
Many people have died for your right to vote. It's not only your responsibility as an American it's your moral obligation. Rather you are left-wing or right-wing makes no sense not to watch every debate of both sides. but very few do unfortunately
 
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Escher's Waterfall said:
(A) You are assuming Assange is credible. The released emails shows a phishing attack. That's not impossible for an insider to do, but it doesn't require an insider.

(B) You are assuming that Assange is knowledgeable. Even if Assange is credible, I strongly suspect that Wikileaks doesn't ask for a real name and proof of identity.

Both have to be true.

For example, a scenario that's consistent with (A) but not (B) is that the above phishing attack is the source of the leak, and the attacker approached Wikileaks claiming to be an insider.
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On A), every server as big as the DNC server is constantly attacked by outside sources. You have probably been targeted in phishing attacks yourself. That does not rule out an insider.

On B) you can say the same thing about the New York Times and other MSM who are spreading the Russian Hacker allegations. You assume they are knowledgeable, but all they have done is quote sources in the CIA and other government agencies. If you look at the originial CIA reports, you will see that they only provide vague references to an alleged Russian hack. They say they "know" it was Russian hackers whose motive, they are certain, was to influence the election. They expect us to believe them, it would be un-American no to is their insinuation if we don't, but they haven't shown us their data. They haven't shown us a single shred of evidence. Anybody who believes it was the Russians is putting a lot of Faith in a proven liar, the CIA, an organisation that has been proven to be untrustworthy.

Assange has never been discredited. The CIA, on the other hand, still hasn't shown us those WMDs that Saddam has been hiding. Don't forget about Snowden. Don't forget about a proven track record of lying whenever they want since they were first created. Even though the CIA lied in the past, they're American and that makes them OUR liars and are on our side. They lie to protect us, and they're doing a good thing. They lie for the Greater Good. So it is our patriotic duty to believe them.
 
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morninggloryseed said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/14/craig-murray-says-source-of-hillary-clinton-campai/
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Thank you for posting these links. Form your Washington Times link,
WikiLeaks figure is claiming that he received leaked Clinton campaign emails from a “disgusted” Democratic whistleblower, while the White House continued to blame Russian hackers Wednesday for meddling in the presidential election and asserted that Donald Trump was “obviously aware” of Moscow’s efforts on his behalf.
Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and a close associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, said in the report by the Daily Mail that he flew to Washington for a clandestine handoff with one of the email sources in September.
He said he received a package in a wooded area near American University.
“Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,” Mr. Murray told the British newspaper. “The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”..
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So, Craig Murray is a real person who reports that he personally received the leaked documents from a disgusted Hilary Clinton insider. We now have a real person with a good reputation who personally interacted with the leaker. This is a lot more credible than what the Clinton and now the White House are saying. The CIA and whitehouse have offered no evidence other than to say "it was the Russians because we have CIA experts and they said so."
The whole story looks like the Clintons' handiwork. It is a result of the fact that Hilary will never accept responsibility for anything. Nothing is ever Hilary's fault. It was the Russians.
There is more to this than just the blame game, even though that is her base motivation. In the art of misinformation and lies, the Clinton, the CIA, and Obama are master chess players while the media and the public who consumes the media are playing Tic Tac Toe. HRC and Obama are 10 moves ahead of the public on this one. What is their game plan?
 
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