CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

[socko]

I don't know if anybody else bothers to read this stuff, but from the WaPo, source, the FBI disagrees with the CIA report in which the CIA blames the Commies but the FBI does not:

For the Democrats in the room, the FBI’s response was frustrating — even shocking.

During a similar Senate Intelligence Committee briefing held the previous week, the CIA’s statements, as reflected in the letter the lawmakers now held in their hands, were “direct and bald and unqualified” about Russia’s intentions to help Trump, according to one of the officials who attended the House briefing.

The FBI official’s remarks to the lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee were, in comparison, “fuzzy” and “ambiguous,” suggesting to those in the room that the bureau and the agency weren’t on the same page, the official said.

The divergent messages from the CIA and the FBI put a spotlight on the difficulty faced by intelligence and law enforcement officials as they try to draw conclusions about the Kremlin’s motives for hacking Democratic Party emails during the 2016 race. Officials are frequently looking at information that is fragmentary. They also face issues assessing the intentions of a country expert at conducting sophisticated “influence” operations that made it hard — if not impossible — to conclusively detect the Kremlin’s elusive fingerprints.
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Even the FBI disagrees with the CIA, basically saying the hacking and the motives behind it are inconclusive.

From the beginning, the CIA has been used to fight communism. Its agents, by nature and by training, imagine a Commie hiding every under bed, and they are paranoid to the point of being pathological. Together, these traits make it so they are naturally happy to go along with HRC's claim that the Russians stole her return to the White house to which she was entitled.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

This report is brought to you by the same people who told us taht Saddam had WMDs.

The CIA has been wrong. The question is, are they wrong now?

We know that a Trump presidency is what Putin wants, since the US is a constraint on his power and Trump said some rather isolationist things during his campaign. But that's not enough to prove anything. Nor are the leaked emails - they could have come from any source. So without seeing the evidence, who knows?

The joke may be on Putin though - What Trump says and what Trump does is two different things. Trump wants Mattis as Secretary of Defense, and Mattis is a hawk on Russia.

 

[LandsUnknown]

Stop comparing this to anything that has ever occurred in the past. It is not like when Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction. Russia has taken the reigns and they have done so for a reason. Trump owes Putin money. This is documented fact. Now, he's Putin's pawn, because he knows that he has the power to forgive him of his debt (due to Russia's communist like system).

I fear that Russia is going to manipulate the system for their own profit. I find it shocking that people are unable to see this. I think Trump has some goals of his own, but he is likely unable to operate fully on his own accord due to Putin pulling his strings. Therefore, much of Trump's goals may be not his own at all but rather the goals of the Kremlin.

It really saddens me to even talk about it, and I hope that his strings aren't being pulled so badly that the next administration will be unable to fix it. I just hope that America will vote one again so that the people will be able to have someone in office who has their best interests at heart. There is talk of making the elections available online in 2020, and this would make it possible for hacking to interfere directly with the results. Let's just hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Soviets buzz warships, fight in Syria, invade Crimea/ukraine, threaten Baltics, and just get some sanctions. Dems are good for rebirth of USSR. Not so sure they wanted trump.

The CIA has been wrong. The question is, are they wrong now?

We know that a Trump presidency is what Putin wants, since the US is a constraint on his power and Trump said some rather isolationist things during his campaign. But that's not enough to prove anything. Nor are the leaked emails - they could have come from any source. So without seeing the evidence, who knows?

The joke may be on Putin though - What Trump says and what Trump does is two different things. Trump wants Mattis as Secretary of Defense, and Mattis is a hawk on Russia.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Even the FBI disagrees with the CIA, basically saying the hacking and the motives behind it are inconclusive.

You mean the same FBI that ended up influencing the election by doing something with no precedent over an issue of little importance? The same FBI that just got kicked out of Iceland?

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-iceland-kick-out-fbi/

Wtf man, will you only believe your eyes and ears when nationalist propaganda, spread in large part by Russian state controlled media, leads to Le Pen winning the French election?

I posted the other thread involving Germany, where the HEAD of intelligence is warning of hostile activity that is occurring as I type this, so that maybe you wouldn't have to rely on an agency you obviously have so much hate for.

In the same way as the CIA being wrong about WMD's in Iraq doesn't make the story false, the GOP trying to block it doesn't make it true either.

So you don't think large elements of the GOP have been compromised with all the dirt held on them by the Russians? Also, I probably used the wrong term with 'story' considering how much dirt the west is gathering on Russia. The dirt is just starting to come out, and with nearly every governmental power with the power to launch an investigation doing so this is far from over.

Time will tell, but I have a feeling if Trump has his way sanctions will be rolled back, and Russia will face no penalty for being clearly hostile and belligerent. Which will encourage even greater acts of belligerence. The new secretary of state is looking to be quite a pal to the Russians. Just put the pieces together, when desire and capability are present the circumstance becomes much less circumstantial.

Finally, you really don't care if one of the biggest human rights violators and aggressive, power grubbing nation-states influences the election of your sovereign state?

Russia doing this kind of thing (mostly through the internets) is not really a secret.

What is your opinion on it? It took months to pin the annexation of Crimea on Russian forces despite it being "not really a secret". In the age of post-truth truth becomes more important than ever. When ideas truly clash the one which can be backed up will hopefully prevail. If no ideas have any basis in truth then we are already fucked.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Soviets buzz warships, fight in Syria, invade Crimea/ukraine, threaten Baltics, and just get some sanctions. Dems are good for rebirth of USSR. Not so sure they wanted trump.

Trump during the campaign indicated that he was willing to let NATO stand on it's own. Clinton was supposed to be the warmonger that would lead to a war with Russia.

Trump came off as an isolationist, with a good chance of leading to a trade war with China that would hurt the US.

Clinton came off as a player on the world stage.

Trump, at least during the campaign, was a much better pick for Russia.

 

[spacejunk]

Soviets buzz warships, fight in Syria, invade Crimea/ukraine, threaten Baltics, and just get some sanctions. Dems are good for rebirth of USSR. Not so sure they wanted trump.

"Soviets"? I can't make heads nor tails of this post.
Rebirth of the USSR? Huh??

 

[bukweat]

Different standard of proof for the f b i and cia. If Putin's only reason for hacking were to cast doubt or create dissension then mission accomplished.

 

[socko]

You mean the same FBI that ended up influencing the election by doing something with no precedent over an issue of little importance? The same FBI that just got kicked out of Iceland?

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-iceland-kick-out-fbi/

Wtf man, will you only believe your eyes and ears when nationalist propaganda, spread in large part by Russian state controlled media, leads to Le Pen winning the French election?

I posted the other thread involving Germany, where the HEAD of intelligence is warning of hostile activity that is occurring as I type this, so that maybe you wouldn't have to rely on an agency you obviously have so much hate for.



So you don't think large elements of the GOP have been compromised with all the dirt held on them by the Russians? Also, I probably used the wrong term with 'story' considering how much dirt the west is gathering on Russia. The dirt is just starting to come out, and with nearly every governmental power with the power to launch an investigation doing so this is far from over.

Time will tell, but I have a feeling if Trump has his way sanctions will be rolled back, and Russia will face no penalty for being clearly hostile and belligerent. Which will encourage even greater acts of belligerence. The new secretary of state is looking to be quite a pal to the Russians. Just put the pieces together, when desire and capability are present the circumstance becomes much less circumstantial.

Finally, you really don't care if one of the biggest human rights violators and aggressive, power grubbing nation-states influences the election of your sovereign state?



What is your opinion on it? It took months to pin the annexation of Crimea on Russian forces despite it being "not really a secret". In the age of post-truth truth becomes more important than ever. When ideas truly clash the one which can be backed up will hopefully prevail. If no ideas have any basis in truth then we are already fucked.

Are you not familiar with the Edward Snowden saga? It's not a matter of hate or bias that you are implying but of simply reading about and telling the truth about them. The truth is well documented. You should educate yourself on the Amercian CIA. As for the German intel report, I have no idea. I don't know anything about them. When it comes to human rights violations, mass atrocities, and the refugee crisis, the US is aruguably in the same league with Russia beginning with the genocide of its aborignal populaiton and continuing to this day.

 

[Shimmer.Fade]

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national

Oh yea, and let us not forget McConnell's wife has been chosen to be the transportation secretary as reward for his betrayal of all Americans.

 

[socko]

""All of them are snakes. No matter which snake is in power, we will all get bit.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Its my own brand of sarcasm/humor. Something people can use more of in this forum. Some people, usually on the left, are just in a state of perpetual outrage. It is not healthy.

"Soviets"? I can't make heads nor tails of this post.
Rebirth of the USSR? Huh??

 

[Morninggloryseed]

What the hell do we need all of these secretaries for anyway? Worthless positions.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Gotta admit the NATO comment is a good point. Perhaps I need to do more critical thinking. Seems trump has backed away from his NATO position.

Trump during the campaign indicated that he was willing to let NATO stand on it's own. Clinton was supposed to be the warmonger that would lead to a war with Russia.

Trump came off as an isolationist, with a good chance of leading to a trade war with China that would hurt the US.

Clinton came off as a player on the world stage.

Trump, at least during the campaign, was a much better pick for Russia.

 

[socko]

Yes, Trump has backed off from his campaign promise to abandon NATO and some other more extreme isolationist positions as I'm sure the Russians knew he would. There is really no reason the Russians would prefer him to Sanders.

Trump is an extremely bad idea if Russia wanted him elected as a puppet. First world Puppet Masters cannot stand unstable, uppity puppets. A puppet must be perfectly controllable. When they misbehave, the puppet master ousts them as it did with the Duvaliers, Noreiga. and dozens of otehrs.

Sanders (socialist or socialist democrat is irrelevant) , on the other hand, probably would have been more like the ineffectual Jimmy Carter of foreign policy presidents. The Russians loved Jimmy.

Also, absolutely no link between Juicifer2.0 and the Russians has been demonstrated. That is pure speculation.

Gotta admit the NATO comment is a good point. Perhaps I need to do more critical thinking. Seems trump has backed away from his NATO position.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

If Russia is behind a (yet unproven) state-sponsored hack of the Democrats, then there's the question:

Did they do the same to the GOP, and if so, what will they use the information for?

Another question:

Since there's enough people believing that Russia was behind the attack, and that the attack was effective in swaying the election, how soon until other states start doing the same thing?

 

[socko]

As for hackign the GOP, maybe the hacker, whoever it was, didn't find anything nearly as dirty on them as it did on the DNC. It's hard to find anything worse than showing that the primaries themselves were corrupt at the highest level and that the following general election got the wrong nominee.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Russins or not...wikileaks did not swing the selction for most. Im telling you...people are completely disconected from the news. If isn't on their local evening news...they arent gonna hear about it. If ever there is or was fake news than the polls showing hillary with a win were it.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

As for hackign the GOP, maybe the hacker, whoever it was, didn't find anything nearly as dirty on them as it did on the DNC. It's hard to find anything worse than showing that the primaries themselves were corrupt at the highest level and that the following general election got the wrong nominee.

Did you pay attention to the GOP during the primaries? They weren't fond of Trump. They tried to block him, which just played into Trump's outside message.

I bet Trump's email is a gold mine as well. Considering what he says publicly on Twitter, I'd imagine his emails are even better.

Plus, even if there isn't anything, people will read the dumbest bloody conspiracies into an email dump - e.g. Pizzagate.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Russins or not...wikileaks did not swing the selction for most. Im telling you...people are completely disconected from the news. If isn't on their local evening news...they arent gonna hear about it. If ever there is or was fake news than the polls showing hillary with a win were it.

How do you think political stories develop?