2016 American Presidential Campaign

[quiet roar]

These politicians are just representative of the wider population.. its what our system produces these days. Garbage in.. garbage out.

Hard to argue with that, but I think we should be trying to address why the wider population is so ignorant (and I am talking about both sides of the political spectrum).

 

[Ksa]

says who?

perhaps you could illustrate your point with a simple example?

alasdair

Fine, when Patrick Kennedy came into the discussion between Hilary and Trey Gowdy, where Trey Gowdy attacked based on fact, Hilary answered:

"Now it's...it's just hard to sit here listening to the comments you're making about someone that I consider to be a great American. If he said he made a mistake that's even more proof of what a fine gentleman he is and what a great public servant he's been, it doesn't in any way, what you're saying, it doesn't impugns his service, for 40 years, and certainly not his[...] I can't help that you don't like the results of the accountability review board."

So in her view, it is politically incorrect to point out that he made a mistake, based on his service record. Do you know that, that's how a plane crashed traveling across the Mediterranean, because the co-pilot didn't think it was politically correct to point out to his captain, who had 35 years of impeccable record and who was a superstar in his airline, at night pitch black, that his horizon was misaligned...so he didn't...so the plane eventually flipped over and crashed. They listened to the voice recording and they could spot 3 attempts of the copilot to suggest to the captain that the instrument was not confirming his flight reactions. He did so though vague allusions and metaphors, and couldn't tell the dude that he has no clue where the horizon is and to take control.

I see this at my workplace and it is a tragedy. To them, working as a team is validating whatever others are doing whether it's right or wrong, and if you invalidate someone, you're in for some trouble, because, who are you to invalidate him? Who are you to hurt his feelings? Who are you? See? You need to be somebody, in order to have a voice that could potentially bother someone else.

This is so fucking complicated. Trump's way is more simple, he tells the idiot to adjust his flight pattern and if he doesn't he even gives him a slap on his neck and changes seats. That's the way that makes countries great, the pro-active way, not the "oh wait, am I gona offend the gay, oh but I can't say this, what will the feminist say?" Just do it. Get the job done.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

creating stifling political correctness and shutting down debate through false cries of racism (etc), basically denying reality and trying to create this fantastical mental projection.. nature will always work to destroy such falsehoods. Always.

that was so racist of you to say, you bigot

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

It's not liberal tears that are worried about their portfolios. Trump seems to have a hard on for tariffs. He may be in the position to cut the US out of world trade, and that's going to hurt stocks.

 

[alasdairm]

Fine, when Patrick Kennedy came into the discussion between Hilary and Trey Gowdy, where Trey Gowdy attacked based on fact, Hilary answered:

"Now it's...it's just hard to sit here listening to the comments you're making about someone that I consider to be a great American. If he said he made a mistake that's even more proof of what a fine gentleman he is and what a great public servant he's been, it doesn't in any way, what you're saying, it doesn't impugns his service, for 40 years, and certainly not his[...] I can't help that you don't like the results of the accountability review board."

So in her view, it is politically incorrect to point out that he made a mistake...

i don't think that example has anything to do with political correctness.

Do you know that, that's how a plane crashed traveling across the Mediterranean, because the co-pilot didn't think it was politically correct to point out to his captain, who had 35 years of impeccable record and who was a superstar in his airline, at night pitch black, that his horizon was misaligned...so he didn't.

again, nothing to do with political correctness.

i think you have a hammer and everything looks like a nail.

and this goes both ways. there are people on 'the left' who are guilty of political correctness gone mad. just as there are people on 'the right' who'll dodge real issues by labelling them as political correctness gone mad.

alasdair

 

[altitudes]

It's not liberal tears that are worried about their portfolios. Trump seems to have a hard on for tariffs. He may be in the position to cut the US out of world trade, and that's going to hurt stocks.

and the DOW didn't close at a record high today

 

[alasdairm]

^ you're right, it didn't.

it was close but not a record.

alasdair

 

[altitudes]

^ you're right, it didn't.

it was close but not a record.

alasdair

Are you sure? I actually looked it up to make sure before I posted cause it hadn't closed last time I checked.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-futures-plunging-143100686.html

"In the final hour of trading, the Dow Jones Industrial Average crossed its previous record high on a closing basis of 18,613.52."

I did just skim over the articles so maybe I missed something. Maybe it just hit a record high before closing.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Lets see if Trump decides to start a trade war first.

 

[altitudes]

Yeah, of course I don't think a market surge today necessarily implicates any sort of long term effects, but I'm honestly just sick of the fear mongering.

 

[neversickanymore]

Alright.. Now that we have a republican back in the white house when does the war start?

 

[altitudes]

Both parties are equally guilty of frivolous war. The sooner people realize both parties are fucked up, the better.

With all the shit that came out in the wikileaks and you're still just blindy democrat? Come the fuck on.

 

[Yourbaker]

Here's a little something to help keep you busy while you contemplate the future.

http://themindunleashed.com/2016/11/7-ways-to-relieve-post-election-stress-disorder.html

 

[JessFR]

I'm utterly stunned. I just can't belief it. It's not so much that trump won, its how many people voted for him.

Hillary was a sucky alternative, I get that. I get feeling so betrayed by the status quo that you're tempted to vote for any alternative. But look at the kind of man trump is, the way he's spoken about women. The +10 women who've come out to say what trump did to them.

I'm a victim of sexual abuse and rape... I find myself struggling to accept just how many Americans think so little of this aspect of trumps behavior that they're happy to vote for him anyway. I can understand a loud minority not caring. But such a large number of Americans? America is my home, I love this country. But something is very wrong in our society. Hate Hilary Clinton all you want. You don't have to vote at all, but i just can't understand how so many people could vote for Trump after everything that's come out about his treatment of women.

I just feel so disappointed, not because Clinton lost, but because Trump won.

I can't be the only person to feel this way.

 

[quiet roar]

Both parties are equally guilty of frivolous war. The sooner people realize both parties are fucked up, the better.

Testify!

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

It must feel empowering to know that you are so far above everyone else in society and not also a part of the same system that is chewing us all up. I'm not sure what you do to keep yourself seperate besides posting mildly dissenting opinions on Bluelight so I'll take your word for it.

I think the media has played a huge role in this. Trump drew in viewers, sold papers (maybe not), got attention and ratings. In Australia, much of the coverage covered Trump- controversy sells. The media gave him a platform and he exploited that and the public got sucked into thinking he stood for something.

He got Free Media as opposed to Earned Media. He started saying shocking things, the media was shocked, and happy to be shocked, then started following him around for the next shock, which they hoped would be an even bigger shock. And then he announced his candidacy going down an escalator....very good theatrical representation, metaphor +1 magic hair he's got.

I'm only slightly relieved that Hitlery is not in power, she was the Neocon choice, the Kagans, Nuland, and all the other neocons who normally would stick behind or be part of Republicans were all Hillary all the time, full throttle.

Corporations will not let the ACA go away, Trump will learn how entities much much MUCH richer than him dictate the narrative. Seriously, I'm starting to wonder if the nuts who say that the Army or whatever know how to time travel and fucked shit up in the space-time continuum. Back To The Future with 9/11 thing and now, a year too later, but still, Biff in BTTF II has Trump's crazy "hair" and he's the same kind of ridiculous rich guy going for a government job.

Remember, the states he spent most of his life and money, screwing people over, destroying Atlantic City instead of bowing down to his rival businessman who had the funds to repair all his errors...ad infinitum all knew he's a total con man. NY, NJ, Nevada, all went Democrat, nevermind who the Democrat candidate was.

Sanders was the real winner. It's what happens when the cops in Philadelphia and elsewhere were all paid by the basically infinite slush fund Clinton has in that Clinton Foundation thing....which Epstein provided some of the funds to create. Many Sandercrats voted for Trump, and also, third parties, wasn't since the year 2000 I saw third parties combined...back then it was only the Green Party...the libertards were fringe like the reform party...where Trump tried to be the frontrunner of that now dead party, and he didn't win that, back in 2000. 4% to 9% OTHER votes gave Trump the Presidency, protest votes against Hillary and all her hubris, people being shown 2 horrible choices with no lesser evil this one time, a first in modern (post WWII) American politics.

Thankfully we got rid of the guy who would have tried to brainwash him re: geopolitics, Steven Harper, up here...remember how he would meet the other guys at the G7 or G8 and suddenly everyone was agreeing with Harper...that was very strange, especially from the smallest populated G7-8 country's leader. Thankfully the fake-tory Reform Party nut is gone here, I don't know how he had so much influence but he did, and it was very strange, we disregarded his ideas as crazy talk and then all other 6 guys were like yeah we'll do this (this being what Harper proposed).

Anyway, enough for now, I'm sweating my ass off, can't wait to get to that damn Suboxone appointment at 8 am, which means I'm first and I practically get in and get out.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Hard to argue with that, but I think we should be trying to address why the wider population is so ignorant (and I am talking about both sides of the political spectrum).

That's very easy. The Military-Industrial complex evolved into the Military-Industrial-Intelligence complex. Some released papers from the FIFTIES, with CIA people with all the highest clearances said they had assets in all media companies and if they wanted they could kill a story in 24 hours. These days I bet, it's 30 minutes. I'll try to find a link for that, but you can easily search for it yourself, when I come back from my Suboxone doc appointment at 8am, waking up and having no Suboxone sucks. Thank god I'm Canadian though, goddamn.

And @Ksa, come on, did you actually believe that BENGHAZI, wait did you read it right, BENGHAZI thing, was ever going to be investigated for real. What was happening is that they were TAKING THEIR LYBIAN PATSIES GUNS AWAY, shipping them to Qatar who then shipped them to Syria for the foreign invaders, yes, I did not say "moderate rebels" which have been shown not to exist, there is just normal Syrians who have either fled or are not rich enough to do so, and people from everywhere in the muslim world, including France because there's always been a lot of muslims in France and for 200 years they never were a nuisance..

The only thing sort of reasuring...for his hopefully catastrophic 4 years in power max, is that the relationship with Russia will go back to Dubya days. I'll leave this here : [h=1]In-Depth Interview: Journalist Larry Hancock on Why Americans Will Never Hear the Entire Benghazi Story[/h] https://www.peterbcollins.com/podcast/PBC_20151029p1532.mp3

 

[socko]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the real villain in this election. If anyone goes to prison, it should be her.

 

[spacejunk]

I can't be the only person to feel this way.

You're certainly not - because i feel the same way, Jess.

The stomach-turning irony of Trump's racist stereotyping of certain groups of people as "rapists" - while himself being subject to numerous rape and sexual assault allegations - is difficult to overlook.

There is a constant refrain from so many of Trump's supporters/sympathisers/apologists about supposed causative links between refugees (specifically - but not exclusively - Muslim), migrants and increased sex assaults - but what do these people say when the issue of Trump's sex crimes comes up?
Not much, it seems.

If any of the people who use rape statistics as a justification for their vitriolic attacks on asylum seekers sincerely cared about violence against women or sexual violence more generally - they wouldn't support Trump.

So what is it - cognitive dissonance on their part?
Ignorance?
Prejudice?
Hypocrisy!
All of the above? Sure.

But another term for it is rape culture.
Oh you can call it "locker room talk" that "guys" engage in - and that's fine and dandy, apparently. Boys will be boys, right? Bullshit. Talk about fucking insulting.

But hey, gotta watch out for those rapist Mexicans, and Syrian refugees who apparently treat women poorly.
The rhetoric would almost be funny if it wasn't so sick.

Trump's victory is not a solution to what's fucked up about the current political and social environment - it's just another symptom of it.
The president elect is like political syphillus; oozing repulsive, slimy discharge, causing intellectual degeneration - and just being downright sickening.

 

[SKL]

rape culture, etc.

The president elect is like political syphillus; oozing repulsive, slimy discharge, causing intellectual degeneration - and just being downright sickening.

I don't think anyone said Americans were voting for the better human being. And, as horrific a crime as rape is, they might very well have been, anyway. Between two probable sociopaths I'll take the sociopath with less connection to a worldwide network of sociopaths. That is, voting on moral terms. Voting in realist, Hobbesian, Machiavellian terms (i.e. the ordinary rules of morality not applying in terms of decisions made in the governance of nations; or, taking it even further, in Neitzschean terms) I'd vote the same way for similar reasons but also out of self interest and group interest.