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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Euphoric Rambles for Swirling Souls

SKL said:
have some thoughts on some of the recent discussion here. maybe for later. at substantial risk that I succumb to predictability I'll just get it out there that I have a bone to pick with Xorkoth's proposition that the current era of drug markets and drug use that we're living in is a blessed one and perhaps quite a few of the approaches to psychedelic self-help here.

more later. or maybe I shouldn't bother with that either, lol.
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Just wanted to say that when I talk about "self-help" related stuff on here I never mean to emphasize the psychedelics. I mean I love psychedelics, and they have really helped me, but it's possible to communicate those thoughts and perspective shifts in ways that don't rely on drugs. I'd like to think I'm a long way from my younger years where you might find me saying that if everyone just tripped, the world would be amazing, mannnn. I definitely don't think that. I just feel like I've figured out a really good way to live, and for me, psychedelics were a big catalyst in that. And since I've found that for myself, I want to try to communicate it so maybe some other people can find it too. Everyone's gonna be different, but all we can really do is try our best to put something good out there.

But yeah, about the scene today, I have mixed feelings. On one hand, precisely what I said, that I feel blessed that we are able to obtain these substances, is exactly how I feel. It's pretty amazing. We have people pushing all the boundaries, delving into far more areas than they were in the past. We have novel lysergamides even. Of course, I don't like how popular and visible it's getting. I don't like that it's super easy for someone, who has put almost no effort into learning about the scene and having a minimum requisite level of intelligence and dedication required to find these things, to be able to get them. I don't like that they're exploring so many shitty stimulants, or opiates. I think it's a really bad idea and I wish it wasn't happening. I wish it was still a secret little club but it's not anymore and shit happens. There are still redeeming qualities about what's going on now. Do I wish they hadn't gotten into producing NBOMes, and passing it off as LSD? Absolutely. But we also have a whole bunch of exotic tryptamines we'd only been able to read about and even some we haven't read about because they're that novel. To me, that's fucking cool, regardless of the rest of the situation. I think the scene is unsustainable, it's become part of the general rat race and it's probably doomed eventually, at which point it will probably return to a secret club. But in the meantime, I've been able to really deeply explore more of something that I find really fascinating, and I know other people feel that way too because here we are, talking about it.

As for what psychedelic to consider, I would probably choose 4-HO-MiPT as you say. I find the -METs and -MiPTs to be quite similar, but there is something more deeply satisfying about the MiPTs to me. I find them more euphoric and more mental, but less visual and I guess some people have had really intense and out there trips on 4-HO-MET. I haven't, but I haven't taken it high enough probably. But 4-HO-MiPT is the sort of drug that I always have a good time on, I'm always glad I took it. It's really warm and lovely.

need to find an excuse to keep posting here though. I remember the conversation about starting the first of these threads like it was only the other day but it was like 8 years ago. 8 years of PD social threads. and a fuckton has changed about the scene, the drugs, the audience of the thread (both participatory and presumed to be lurking), and those of us who are still there, for better or for worse
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Yeah crazy how long it's been since this thread started. We used to delete them when they were full back in the day, I was wondering why I couldn't find any before like 2008 and that's why. It's a bummer, I really wish I could go back and read through the beginnings, those were great days.
 
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There haven't been many reports on DOiP, but my impression was that 20mg is the kind of level you wanted to take to start tripping. So I took 5mg today expecting to just notice a threshold and raise it up for the next time. But it turns out, 5mg is pretty active, I'm quite surprised. I was going to compile my notes until I reached a noteworthy experience and then post a TR, but it turns out I'll have a TR already. I'm getting euphoric rushes akin to something like methylone from music, there's really a lot of amplification there. More later. :)

I was pretty cavalier about this, I dosed it at almost 3pm. Hope DoIP is actually shorter in duration than most DOXs, as is reported, or I probably won't be sleeping tonight. =D 8(
 
DOxs are still foreign to me, although I hear DOC is pretty gnarly. DOiP though, maybe I'll pop my cherry with that. You never know, the world works in strange ways.

But DOC has always been on the top of my list, wish I jumped on it when I had the chance. I may just have to settle for some DOM, the elusive "STP" as some old man once noted..
 
DOM is the only one I have any interest in trying. I've had DOC a good number of times and enjoy it a lot but still prefer LSD and its analogues. DOC has a great head trip but over all I find it too stimulating and some times uncomfortable physically whereas LSD is pretty transparent.
I also prefer the milder nature of 2cd compared to 2cc and think/hope that perhaps that characteristic transfers over to its amphetamine counterpart.
DOI was not that interesting the few times I had it and I have no interest in DOB or any of the more exotic DOx's (though 2cb is awesome so perhaps my theory of 2cx characteristics transferring over to their DOx counterparts is not valid.)
 
Yeah I definitely found DOM to have a lot less bodyload than DOC.

DOiP is really nice. Delsyd you'd probably like DOPr, it's really chill and not stimulating really at all, much less than DOC. Of course it lasts up to 30 hours. I still haven't taken that one beyond my initial 2.5mg dose. DOiP has been pretty present in the body, but also pleasurable, in a different way than DOC, it feels better in the body than DOC. I like how DOC feels but it's a lot more creepy-crawly than this.
 
My most significant memory of 4-ho-met is that it gave me an odd nerve tingling sensation in my extremities; however, this was a period of frequent MXE and nitrous use in my life, and I've always had terrible circulation to my limbs. Not to mention a sensitivity to tryptamines.
 
I am kind of sensitive to 4-ho-met also, and it gave me a significant day after. I still plan to dabble in it more, it just requires more of a commitment than I am typically willing to give. Kind of like mushrooms in that sense. I couldn't imagine dosing repeatedly with it.
 
Dreams, man....

It's been a pretty good while since I had to go this long without any sort of cannabis. I had forgotten just how ridiculous and long my nights are without it.... Generally while sober, and especially when withdrawing from smoking, I tend to wake up every 30-60 minutes throughout the night and have really vivid dreams in between. This time I had a good old mortality dream, first one in quite a while. It's interesting to see how my perspective on things has changed with time, I wonder if this means that I actually have been getting over certain fears with experience as I thought I had been....

Basically, in the dream I was just going about my business, in my usual type of odd setup that is halfway between two real settings, this time seeming to be somewhere between my home and some office building. I plopped down on the couch facing the front entrance and my roommate's dog jumped up there to lie down next to me, so I started patting her and just relaxing my arm next to her. I started looking around the environment a little more and realized that this building looked a lot like a bank... and suddenly a man came running in through the doors wearing your stereotypical all black burglary kind of outfit, strapped with a pretty intense looking machine gun at the ready. He looked intent to do something, and almost instantly looked right at me after getting fully inside, and pointed the barrel of the gun right at my face. Now, of course I was alert as hell at this point, and the dream had become vivid to a point competing with real life along with it, but I really didn't feel any fear. I just had a single thought: "Welp... here we go."

Of course, being a dream and all, after a few seconds of this he pulled the gun back and just gave me a weird look instead. My immediate reaction was "What? What's wrong?" 8) But I woke up right after that.

Dreams are a very interesting part of life....



Hey Xorkoth, how'd it go in the end? Were you up all night too after all? Haha.
 
psy997 said:
Why don't you make the music then? It will only lead to collapse if you don't listen and get that shit out. Who are you if you're not following what you're being pushed towards? Surely not yourself. Write it down, man! Make that music!
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Good stuff. Unfortunately, even when my wife walks in, I put the music down. I really only play to my puppy to put her to sleep. I don't know why, but severe performance anxiety still send to pervade and permeate. I keep hearing about and seeing flyers for open mic nights and I get an adrenal response. It's really weird, start sweating, heart racing. . All of it.. as much a fantasy I envision, and as excited and pumped it makes me, it is simultaneously mindfucking the impulse back down where it belongs. I know if I just pull the trigger and go for it, I will either fail or succeed, but either way the uncertainty will be eliminated. But god DAMN that's a giant step.

Thanks for the encouragement and ideas!
 
DOM is pretty neat. It can, in higher doses, get really hallucinatory in the stricter sense of the world like you're actually seeing realistic sorts of imagery, which if you're having a bad time can be really scary (I remember a friend who accidentally took too much DOM and was describing how everyone he saw was rotting flesh on meathooks, like actually looked so; I've never experienced anything like that but I can definitely assert that it's more hallucinatory in that sense than LSD.) I all around prefer DOC, but DOM is definitely worth a try; it's unique, it does have a bit of body, it is pretty psychologically strong, but it's neat if you're hitting the right dose and s/s.
 
Man I had a great night last night. Went out with Delsyd and friends to see our good friend's band who was opening for the Big Something. Their set was really great, one of the best I've seen of theirs, and then I got to see Big Something... dayum, those guys are the shit, if you have the chance to see them I highly recommend it. I had 3-MeO and a half hit of ALD-52, and it was so perfect. I was up front handing the band stuff on stage they wanted such as beer and a bump of 3-MeO. Then afterwards various friends and the band realized I had some 3-MeO so I was giving out bumps. I personally got to one of the most amazing places I've ever been on the drug, it was so awesome, I was a fearless dynamo, danced my ass off, talked to everyone. Most fun night out in a long time. :)

We've really got a little slice of the late 60s mixed with a very contemporary thing going on here... I love it. <3
 
Quite unexpectedly 4-HO-MET was pretty nasty, a little toxic feeling (even if it wasn't really toxic)... made me feel really weird with regard to my breathing among other things. Definitely in the line of anxiety symptoms but still relatively severe manifestation, and pretty physical. :(
Instead of a euphoric glow making me feel like shit.

I had also taken 75 mg pregabalin but I don't see how that would have caused it. I guess sometimes you can still be very unlucky with the normally nice and benign ones.
 
Well, i definitely had quite a body load on 4-ho-met. I was shivering like a leaf, to be honest. But since I had mixed 3-meo-pcp with it, I was laughing my ass off at this fact. If not externally, definitely internally.
 
I think I'm going to be trying MPT tonight, smoked, a friend is coming over and wants to do that. Definitely still feeling the 3-MeO from last night, and also the redose I just had. Could be very interesting.
 
Solipsis, I just had a very similar experience with 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met, also seemingly anxiety-related. I posted about it in the 4-aco-dmt thread. Felt like I had to force myself to breathe and general yuck inside.
 
Well didn't end up doing MPT, but I did end up doing 3-MeO-PCP, MiPT (25mg orally, not much really but a nice taste) and methylone. Euphoria... it's been a fun weekend, I'm surprised I don't feel more braindead today. I felt pretty bad Saturday morning but kept the party rolling and now today I feel pretty damn nice. Now to eat some food and head to band practice soon.
 
I was just reading some of my old trip reports from 10+ years ago... crazy, I was in such a different place then. So much younger. Life is weird. :)

What a great weekend. Life is also cool. :)
 
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