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exactly. you have no point in principle with a president picking justices who 'fit their world view'.

no comments on the 'trump is a uniter' question?

alasdair

Her world view is globalism. I disagree with it vehemently.

Trump doesnt need to be a "uniter" all that matters is he is not Hilary. The more the media and Hilary shills attack him the more intriguing he becomes. What difference does it make? She will probably win if the obama coalition of lemmings makes it out. Also we know in states without voter ID laws she has a insurmountable advantage. The system is rigged; former Bernie supporters can tell you all about it.
 
The more the media and Hilary shills attack him the more intriguing he becomes.

Sort of like Bernie Maddof or Bill Cosby. The people are intrigued.

Back to the Clinton Foundation..please tell us more about your concerns there..
 
I agree with your line of thinking. There are two things that make this election crucial. The SCOTUS is paramount. I like most of the potential picks trump has announced. Most fall closer to the constitutional conservative side. Hilary will appoint very liberal justice that fit her world view. A few things we know about Hilary from the leaked emails/ wallstreet transcripts is that she wants open trade and borders, also she plans on using executive order to enact gun control measures. This may be fine with many, but what it tells us is the type of things she will look for when appointing justices. I don't think the constitution should be interepreted as a living breathing document. Though I wouldn't say it is set in stone.

Second the gop already has rumors going about setting up a super delegate system much like the democrats. You see where that got the favored democratIc candidate. This can never happen again for the political class IMO. Yt has put forth many new censorship rules for people's broadcast channels. Including knighting impromptu mods, demonetizing channels with politically sensitive material, and a few other rules. One of my favorite channels, Chinauncensored, is getting many of their videos demonetized. And that is a shame, but you see where the influence is coming from.
Twitter, fb, and all major social media outlets are falling in line. Obama hands over our DNS servers to the UN. Hilary has a cartoon frog labeled as racist by her buddy at the ADL because she can't handle being satirically mocked.
Trust me Jess you live in the nanny state now, which I can only assume has very controlled media. This is our last civil chance at an outside candidate. How many more bombastic billionaires are out there, with a message you approve of verbatim?

Well, ill grant you the importance of the SCOTUS spots. In fact that might he the only thing that concerns me enough about Hillary Clinton that doesn't concern me about Trump for me to consider in a million years to possibly consider voting for him. So I'm with you here, in that I agree it's a big concern we share for similar reasons. The only question to me is if I feel it's enough of a motivation to vote for someone I think is an even worse choice for president than Clinton is.

I know you said you don't think the constitution should be considered a living document, but I'm not sure if you mean that the way you think. A lot of people argue the 2nd amendment shouldn't be considered valid for firearm designs created since the early days of our nation. And I think we both disagree with that argument. The internet didn't exist back then either, but the first amendment absolutely should apply to internet speech and internet protests and internet religious freedom. Way I see it it's the same thing. The constitution IS a living evolving thing and was always supposed to be. That need not be a bad thing in terms of the interests of either of our political stances. Executive orders are not, despite what some presidents think, the right of a president to write and pass their own law. She can't do much damage to the second amendment via executive orders, Obama already tried, and he kept it within the bounds of lawful use of his power (unlike so many other examples in his administration). It simply wouldn't hold up.

The real danger to the 2nd amendment is, as you said, those SCOTUS appointments. The president doesn't have the power, in theory at least, to do anything. Congress isn't supposed to have a whole lot of power in this respect either. But ultimately the policing of that power falls to the supreme court. Control the supreme court, and the road is clear to do anything you want. Which is why I said it's the only thing that would ever make me consider voting for trump, and it would purely be a strategic vote and nothing to do with wanting him for president, even over Clinton.

I'm not inherently opposed to free trade. I wouldn't say I unreservedly support it, but I lean closer to support than oppose.

I feel similarly to border control, sure I don't want totally open anarchistic open borders, but I'm also not opposed to immigration and think a certain level of immigration is part of what's so great about this country.

As for republican super delegates. I'm pretty depressed about the whole situation, on the one hand look at what it resulted for the democratic ticket, on the other hand look at what the existing system resulted in for the republican ticket. Both ways have resulted in horrible candidates IMO. I'm not sure what to do there really.

As for YouTube and the social networking world. Companies can set up whatever censorship they want. I don't like it either, but that's a freedom they have the right to. I think it's BS too but I don't think the election is a particularly ideal way to fight it. There are many ways to influence companies, one way is for us the public to demand they stop their censorship or we'll support an alternative system that doesn't censor us.

I don't know if you read my post on the subject of giving up control over the top level dns registry in the thread dedicated to that subject, but I don't see a problem. In practice it's not a power that can be practically misused or the power can be taken back. Anyone attempting to misuse it could fracture internet name resolution between different authorities and would be a disasterous look for whomever were responsible. Which in turn would make our time in control of it look great, and we need all the positive international sentiment amongst our allies as we can get. In practice it will result in no chance whatsoever except that we get to look like the good guys in the world, giving up power (even if secretly in practice we give up virtually nothing) when no government almost ever does that. And we don't have to pay the bill. I don't see that it's a big deal. And I think that's why the administration is doing it in the first place.

Governments do not give away anything worth keeping. Not ours, not anyones.

You made a good point about scotus, the best point I've heard that is in line with my political beliefs that is in line with voting trump. I don't have any particular argument countering it or shooting down your concern, I agree. And it does leave me feeling conflicted. In other news two more women have come out accusing trump of sexual misconduct. This election truly sucks. I can't support a man like trump to be president,I can't condone it and I think it would be disasterous if he got in and wound up impeached or something. So many Americans already feel betrayed, let down, and questioning what has become of this country. Clintons no good either but at least noones accusing her of common sexual abuse. Something so disgusting and deplorable. And potentially something we knew about before electing him president.

It feels to me like an irreconcilable conflict. Can't vote for trump, can't vote for Clinton. And with that I for one am right back where I started in this election, feeling defeated and that either result will be a dark day for our country.

Trump may be an outsider, but that doesn't make him better than the corrupt political elite, plenty of outsiders would be worse. Voting for anything except more of the same has its limits.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't agree with a lot of things you believe, but politically we have a lot more in common than most of the trump haters you're also arguing with on this thread right now. Im not on the far left or far right, I have many political views in common and completely in contradiction to both of those classical labels.

I'm never going to support a man who disrespects and abuses women for president, ever. And I don't need proof, I'm not the law, I'm an private citizen entitled to use my instincts to judge a candidates suitability. And my instincts tell me the accusations against trump are true. And that's enough for me. So I can't support trump. And I can't support Clinton for political reasons and the long term repercussions for the country from her scotus picks.

I'm just glad that unlike in Australia, America recognizes a right NOT to vote. Regardless, I'm not registered for absentee voting in the state of Florida or Connecticut, where I lived growing up, so ultimately I won't be voting regardless. I just hope if I live long enough to return to America that there's still an America left.
 
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Has anyone noticed as the controversy around Trump and his statements is destroying him, Clinton isn't engaging in any major campaign events?

It's like she doesn't want to remind us that she still exists.

May be a good political strategy, but I think it indicates the level of the 2016 presidential campaign.
 
I'm telling this for those who may be too young to know the truth about the part Hillary played in the attacks on

Bill's many women. It was Hillary who hired the detective, Mr. Palladino [GOOGLE HIM] and his thugs to harass and

terrorize Bill's many women to silence them. They slashed their tires, broke their car windows, made late night

threatening phone calls, threatened their children, and placed a dead cat on the porch of one lady who owned a cat;

needless to say she never testified against Bill. Also, the Clinton scandals go way back to Arkansas where they were

involved in cocaine smuggling for money, then there is Whitewater, Chinagate, Travelgate [when Bill became President

they wanted their friends to have that job so the Clinton's destroyed the lives of the long time employees of the WH

Travel Office] - these people not only lost their jobs, their homes; they were in financial ruin having to hire

expensive lawyers.The Clinton's friends got the job of running the travel office. Hillary's lost billing records -

she has a long record of destroying evidence, the Vince Foster Mystery, Filegate, Bill's perjury during the Monica

Lewinsky scandal, Pardongate [the Mark Rich pardon] where the Clinton's received millions of dollars from Mark

Rich's wife in order to get the pardon and they are still receiving money to this day from Mrs. Rich. And the

looting of $200,000 of our White House items like glassware, silverware, rugs, furniture and Art Work - they had to

return most of it as these items were not gifts to them but to our White House. Then we've got all the latest

scandals and you must know by now what they are. The MO of the Clinton's is to "GET DIRT" WHICH HILLARY DID - SHE

HAD THE FBI GIVE HER ALL THE INFORMATION THEY HAD ON HER SO CALLED ENEMIES TO BE USED AS NEEDED TO SILENCE THEM WHEN

THE CLINTONS GOT INTO SERIOUS TROUBLE.Then when they are in serious trouble the Clinton's DENY, LIE, BLAME OTHERS,

DESTROY EVIDENCE LAUGH IT OFF AND BLISSFULLY WALK AWAY AND YOU PEOPLE DEAL WITH IT.

IF HILLARY IS ELECTED THEY WILL BECOME GAZILLIONAIRES with all their Wordly Wheeling and Dealing. Will she also

destroy all her work related emails like she did our State Dept. records. If she does that she will be destroying

OUR AMERICAN HISTORY. ANY COMMENTS ANYONE?
 
No thinking person believes the Clinton foundation is completely legit. Why does the axis of evil contribute millions of dollars to it? I bet it's because the really beleive in the foundation :\

Haiti really got screwed by the foundation. And that isn't even disputed lol

That being said I don't think trumps foundation is without fault. Foundations seem to be the way rich people launder money.
Look up the youtube documentary Clinton cash, they get TONS of money from the Saudis, Qatar, etc. where LGBT people are executed and killed and women are basically slaves...but this should not surprise anyone as Bill and Hillary and the Democratic party are not for LGBT rights or women's rights yet love to pretend that they are.
 
Has anyone noticed as the controversy around Trump and his statements is destroying him, Clinton isn't engaging in any major campaign events?

It's like she doesn't want to remind us that she still exists.

May be a good political strategy, but I think it indicates the level of the 2016 presidential campaign.

It's smart, very smart. As long as she says nothing, Trump can't engage her and try and direct attention away from his scandle without looking like he's just avoiding and running from the accusation. If she joins in the attack it makes the accusations look political, making them look less legitimate. If she sticks to her own campaigning, she risks a misstep or controversy of her own that Trump can then use to attack and it doesn't look as much like him trying to avoid the accusations as much as it would if she were doing nothing.

Staying quiet and letting Trump dig his own grave is smart political strategy for the time being.

EDIT: Also. To the posters here saying now criminal Clinton is and every horrible thing she's ever done. I would like to draw your attention to one simple fact.

Even if everything you've said about Hilary Clinton is absolutely %100 true. None of it changes anything about Trump. It doesn't make him any more suitable to be president. It changes nothing about him or anything that's been said about him. All it says is just how utterly disgraceful and unsuitable for public office, any public office, either of them are.
 
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It's smart, very smart. As long as she says nothing, Trump can't engage her and try and direct attention away from his scandle without looking like he's just avoiding and running from the accusation.

I'm not saying it's dumb, but we're at a point in elections where letting one's opponent tear themselves down is better than building yourself up.
 
Look up the youtube documentary Clinton cash, they get TONS of money from the Saudis, Qatar, etc. where LGBT people are executed and killed and women are basically slaves...but this should not surprise anyone as Bill and Hillary and the Democratic party are not for LGBT rights or women's rights yet love to pretend that they are.

The Trump foundation and Trump takes the same shady benefits. Trump just isn't as documented because he's been part of the global elite rather than those influenced by them. The problem is capitalism, period. It's laughable to think he will fix anything.
 
Well, ill grant you the importance of the SCOTUS spots. In fact that might he the only thing that concerns me enough about Hillary Clinton that doesn't concern me about Trump for me to consider in a million years to possibly consider voting for him. So I'm with you here, in that I agree it's a big concern we share for similar reasons. The only question to me is if I feel it's enough of a motivation to vote for someone I think is an even worse choice for president than Clinton is.

I know you said you don't think the constitution should be considered a living document, but I'm not sure if you mean that the way you think. A lot of people argue the 2nd amendment shouldn't be considered valid for firearm designs created since the early days of our nation. And I think we both disagree with that argument. The internet didn't exist back then either, but the first amendment absolutely should apply to internet speech and internet protests and internet religious freedom. Way I see it it's the same thing. The constitution IS a living evolving thing and was always supposed to be. That need not be a bad thing in terms of the interests of either of our political stances. Executive orders are not, despite what some presidents think, the right of a president to write and pass their own law. She can't do much damage to the second amendment via executive orders, Obama already tried, and he kept it within the bounds of lawful use of his power (unlike so many other examples in his administration). It simply wouldn't hold up.

The real danger to the 2nd amendment is, as you said, those SCOTUS appointments. The president doesn't have the power, in theory at least, to do anything. Congress isn't supposed to have a whole lot of power in this respect either. But ultimately the policing of that power falls to the supreme court. Control the supreme court, and the road is clear to do anything you want. Which is why I said it's the only thing that would ever make me consider voting for trump, and it would purely be a strategic vote and nothing to do with wanting him for president, even over Clinton.

I'm not inherently opposed to free trade. I wouldn't say I unreservedly support it, but I lean closer to support than oppose.

I feel similarly to border control, sure I don't want totally open anarchistic open borders, but I'm also not opposed to immigration and think a certain level of immigration is part of what's so great about this country.

As for republican super delegates. I'm pretty depressed about the whole situation, on the one hand look at what it resulted for the democratic ticket, on the other hand look at what the existing system resulted in for the republican ticket. Both ways have resulted in horrible candidates IMO. I'm not sure what to do there really.

As for YouTube and the social networking world. Companies can set up whatever censorship they want. I don't like it either, but that's a freedom they have the right to. I think it's BS too but I don't think the election is a particularly ideal way to fight it. There are many ways to influence companies, one way is for us the public to demand they stop their censorship or we'll support an alternative system that doesn't censor us.

I don't know if you read my post on the subject of giving up control over the top level dns registry in the thread dedicated to that subject, but I don't see a problem. In practice it's not a power that can be practically misused or the power can be taken back. Anyone attempting to misuse it could fracture internet name resolution between different authorities and would be a disasterous look for whomever were responsible. Which in turn would make our time in control of it look great, and we need all the positive international sentiment amongst our allies as we can get. In practice it will result in no chance whatsoever except that we get to look like the good guys in the world, giving up power (even if secretly in practice we give up virtually nothing) when no government almost ever does that. And we don't have to pay the bill. I don't see that it's a big deal. And I think that's why the administration is doing it in the first place.

Governments do not give away anything worth keeping. Not ours, not anyones.

You made a good point about scotus, the best point I've heard that is in line with my political beliefs that is in line with voting trump. I don't have any particular argument countering it or shooting down your concern, I agree. And it does leave me feeling conflicted. In other news two more women have come out accusing trump of sexual misconduct. This election truly sucks. I can't support a man like trump to be president,I can't condone it and I think it would be disasterous if he got in and wound up impeached or something. So many Americans already feel betrayed, let down, and questioning what has become of this country. Clintons no good either but at least noones accusing her of common sexual abuse. Something so disgusting and deplorable. And potentially something we knew about before electing him president.

It feels to me like an irreconcilable conflict. Can't vote for trump, can't vote for Clinton. And with that I for one am right back where I started in this election, feeling defeated and that either result will be a dark day for our country.

Trump may be an outsider, but that doesn't make him better than the corrupt political elite, plenty of outsiders would be worse. Voting for anything except more of the same has its limits.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't agree with a lot of things you believe, but politically we have a lot more in common than most of the trump haters you're also arguing with on this thread right now. Im not on the far left or far right, I have many political views in common and completely in contradiction to both of those classical labels.

I'm never going to support a man who disrespects and abuses women for president, ever. And I don't need proof, I'm not the law, I'm an private citizen entitled to use my instincts to judge a candidates suitability. And my instincts tell me the accusations against trump are true. And that's enough for me. So I can't support trump. And I can't support Clinton for political reasons and the long term repercussions for the country from her scotus picks.

I'm just glad that unlike in Australia, America recognizes a right NOT to vote. Regardless, I'm not registered for absentee voting in the state of Florida or Connecticut, where I lived growing up, so ultimately I won't be voting regardless. I just hope if I live long enough to return to America that there's still an America left.
The second amendment is the what keeps all the other amendments in place. History tells us that, but those with short attention spans or passionate/emotional/irrational political beliefs don't see this.
I agree with your overall sentiment with the constitution, but I sway more towards its set in stone.
Nobody has anything against immigration. Open borders means there is no barrier to entry, all people can move freely in and out. It is referenced as a fourth world country, in theory. It's progressive lunacy, promoted by the elite political class/ top .5%. I say we secure our borders and allow legal immigration, as we are supposed to per the law now.
Trump is such a terrible candidate, but I have no choice here. If the DNC had not stolen the election from Bernie sanders I may have considered him. I hold his judgement in picking justices well above clintons. Donna brazille was busted asking the Clinton camp what questions they wanted for the primary debates in the wiki leaks emails. That kind of collusion isn't right. He already had an uphill battle with the unfair super delegate process.
Australia, from what I have read, is a complete nanny state. Everything is banned and controls over the population seems to be very strict. The Australian posters in BL virtually ruined the lounge subforum here in favor of strict control over free speech/ thought. They seem to seek control over things that upset them, like words precieved as mean. I think this is a direct result of the countries over all environment though I could be wrong. Do you have any insight into this?
 
the truth about Hillary!

It is time someone got to the bottom of everything that people say about Hillary Clinton. Who is she? More importantly, WHAT is she? I have compiled the following timeline of her life by combining all the actual theories about her. When lined up together, they form quite a biography.

Before Time, Before the Earth Was Made, Before Matter and Being and History: Hillary Clinton (Lucifer, Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, Prince of Darkness, Satan, She Whose Many Names the Cats Scream in the Night) is cast out of heaven for overweening hubris. She is condemned to lie in eternal torment in a lake of fire surrounded by her fallen angels, or, alternatively, to run for a major office while female. For thousands of years she lies outside time, smelling of sulfur, before deciding to undertake the second option.

Oct. 26, 1947: Hillary Clinton, a robot, is constructed by Saul Alinsky, then slipped into a bassinet and delivered to the Rodham house, where it stores its Six Human, Relatable Memories of squeegeeing, family life and honest toil.

continued
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...about-hillary-clinton/?utm_term=.1be02152cc7d
 
The second amendment is the what keeps all the other amendments in place. History tells us that, but those with short attention spans or passionate/emotional/irrational political beliefs don't see this.

It isn't, the second amendment was put into place so states could arm and setup militias. The founding fathers where aware of the magna carters reason for arming the populace but they chose to keep the amendment vague rather than explicitly saying "everyone arm themselves to keep the government from tyranny" in fact George Washington was horrified when the Trump equivalent supporters of his day rose up he lead and army and crushed them himself.
 
The Australian posters in BL virtually ruined the lounge subforum here in favor of strict control over free speech/ thought. They seem to seek control over things that upset them, like words precieved as mean. I think this is a direct result of the countries over all environment though I could be wrong. Do you have any insight into this?

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