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Maybe the last of the shite, or with the stuff in it not been bashed properly. Should of been straight on the phone, especially if your buying regularly. I have hut a bit of a bender recently fucked my subs, but still had enough for sniffs to hold the worst of WD off, but today I am skinto and my man av been scoring of the last few weeks was on the phone 2 hours ago asking why I hadn't been in touch, told him I had no doe till tomorrow and with subs keeping me okish am not prepared to hunt down the score needed, but he phoned offering me tick, but I was on drink/coke and sent him a tx at half 5 in the morning asking if he would tick me the half g and stash it in a certain place and he done it, I would of had cash to pay on sat but I dunno why I asked for tuck and obv I haven't gave him that yet and he's gave me more, but last week I spent a fortune, and he knows I will again or thinks I will but I see my drugs worker on Friday gonna lay my cards on the table and say I fucked up I want to try again, surly I can't be refused a script again? I went every day for over 3 weeks, then that thing happened with my missus I mentioned on here, and it's been fucked up ever since, and now I need to the drugs out yet again, after being stable on my subby, oh why I punish myself like this, smoked .25 earlier kept the other .25 , need to give the geeza a score tomorrow could probs get more tick again but I don't want to start that circle with him when av got other shit I need to deal with, need to get back on the subs again, only 6/7 weeks ago I was on saying this and I got the subs, and I managed to be stable &I have a good run at it again, but the good run cost me a small fortune, could of been my part of Xmas done, when am stable i make money but then i hit the gear, the money runs out I get sick of the "junkie chasing" get stable get money and repeat, why man!!!! I sicken myself!
 
Maybe the last of the shite, or with the stuff in it not been bashed properly. Should of been straight on the phone, especially if your buying regularly. I have hut a bit of a bender recently fucked my subs, but still had enough for sniffs to hold the worst of WD off, but today I am skinto and my man av been scoring of the last few weeks was on the phone 2 hours ago asking why I hadn't been in touch, told him I had no doe till tomorrow and with subs keeping me okish am not prepared to hunt down the score needed, but he phoned offering me tick, but I was on drink/coke and sent him a tx at half 5 in the morning asking if he would tick me the half g and stash it in a certain place and he done it, I would of had cash to pay on sat but I dunno why I asked for tuck and obv I haven't gave him that yet and he's gave me more, but last week I spent a fortune, and he knows I will again or thinks I will but I see my drugs worker on Friday gonna lay my cards on the table and say I fucked up I want to try again, surly I can't be refused a script again? I went every day for over 3 weeks, then that thing happened with my missus I mentioned on here, and it's been fucked up ever since, and now I need to the drugs out yet again, after being stable on my subby, oh why I punish myself like this, smoked .25 earlier kept the other .25 , need to give the geeza a score tomorrow could probs get more tick again but I don't want to start that circle with him when av got other shit I need to deal with, need to get back on the subs again, only 6/7 weeks ago I was on saying this and I got the subs, and I managed to be stable &I have a good run at it again, but the good run cost me a small fortune, could of been my part of Xmas done, when am stable i make money but then i hit the gear, the money runs out I get sick of the "junkie chasing" get stable get money and repeat, why man!!!! I sicken myself!

I've been buying mostly off the same guy for 3 years, I know he fucks me over at times, like telling me 3 bags for £25 was a special deal he does for me when in fact I know he does that for everyone though I've helped him and his family out in ways that they average junkie couldn't (which I don't want to get into as they'd compromise my life in ways I wouldn't like to contemplate) and i've had enough freebies in the past and genuine extras on top so I minor £5 rip off doesn't really bother me. I work a 9 - 5 job though which requires a suit and tie and there's been numerous times i've been interrogated by the local jakies when I turn up to the designated pickup and have them all go running for the nearest cover or asking me to show my badge. The worst part is doing it on a night when you only have a few hours and have to be in work the next day, I often stay up till gone 4am telling myslef just 5 minutes more... don't want to waste the high, then feel fucked for only getting 2 hours sleep the next day.

I'm litterally fucking skint now though, four days till payday and only £3 in my bank account... Collected every penny of lose change last weekend in my room and managed to get £17 from one of those change machines in tesco and found another £15 in old pockets so got a bit but it's never enough and the result of that transaction lasted all of a day. All i've got is a few xanax for the evenings, modafinil for the work day (works wonders) and a half bottle of Gin to get me out of bed in the morning.
 
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I've been buying mostly off the same guy for 3 years, I know he fucks me over at times, like telling me 3 bags for £25 was a special deal he does for me when in fact I know he does that for everyone though I've helped him and his family out in ways that they average junkie couldn't (which I don't want to get into as they'd compromise my life in ways I wouldn't like to contemplate) and i've had enough freebies in the past and genuine extras on top so I minor £5 rip off doesn't really bother me. I work a 9 - 5 job though which requires a suit and tie and there's been numerous times i've been interrogated by the local jakies when I turn up to the designated pickup and have them all go running for the nearest cover or asking me to show my badge. The worst part is doing it on a night when you only have a few hours and have to be in work the next day, I often stay up till gone 4am telling myslef just 5 minutes more... don't want to waste the high, then feel fucked for only getting 2 hours sleep the next day.

I'm litterally fucking skint now though, four days till payday and only £3 in my bank account... Collected every penny of lose change last weekend in my room and managed to get £17 from one of those change machines in tesco and found another £15 in old pockets so got a bit but it's never enough and the result of that transaction lasted all of a day. All i've got is a few xanax for the evenings, modafinil for the work day (works wonders) and a half bottle of Gin to get me out of bed in the morning.

Just scored a weeks worth on bond, so hopefully I won't get fired by next payday and have my legs broken. Should be fine for 3 days as long as I don't over do it.
 
Does anyone have any good tips for smoking off foil? when I first started (about six years ago, continuing on and off with a few small and large gaps) smoking on foil looking back I would have punched myself for how inept was (going off what i'd seen on films and TV)

I litterally would have a 20cm x 20cm square of foil usually a bit crumpled by accident that i'd fold in half then run it back and forth along the same fold groove in the middle until it burnt up and I ended up burning the foil as well as the gear only putting on the tiniest amount each time (it made a gram last a lot longer though surprisingly running it a small bit at a time down a narrow channel. And would always use the shiny side of the foil

I also used to use a tube/straw i'd wrap around a marker pen which you could almost drop a penny through as i was under the impression i'd be able to take more in at once and didn't fold the straw at all to catch the good bits that make a pit stop along the way to my bloodstream.

Now I only use the dull side of the foil, use a very narrow straw (3 - 4mm wide) and use a large rectangular piece of foil which I try to groove by rolling it around a big thick piece of dowl to lessen the chance of burning it up and letting it flow in a fairly neat zig-zag.

Does anyone have any tips in relation to this that can make me more efficient interms of not wasting gear? I usually put a whole bag on at a time per rectangle of foil, but i'm always conscious that I might still be being wasteful.
 
That's about as good as a plate as you can make. 'Wasting' some of the gear through in-inhaled or exhaled smoke is inevitable when chasing the drug, but gear that's at least half decent should still get you properly fucked regardless of any 'wasted' smoke (as long as it isn't excessive). I only started injecting regularly due the combination of a massive tolerance, which, as it was caused by the methadone, has now dropped significantly. Unfortunately, the gear I can currently buy is average at best, and fluctuates between average and half decent without ever getting quite as strong as PD gear (it is occasionally, just not on average).

This has led to me needing to chase 2 - 4 points before I even start getting anywhere, and as a result, my desperation to get the full 'mileage' from what I buy now means that I generally start off by shooting a point (unless it's silly strong - I still run a couple of lines first in case it is an occasional batch of 'fire' and can be smoked to heaven without having to poke myself), which establishes an almost instant and satisfying buzz, which can then be topped back up to maximum goucharama by then chasing the rest a further point at a time. (EDIT: this is not recommendation on how to make your gear stretch, just my own greedy method)

I got my instructions for my standard plate and tooter making technique from a video on 'how to make a perfect pipe' which was hosted on the website of a fantastic harm reduction focused social enterprise that deals with the supply and safe use of drug paraphernalia. Unfortunately the website no longer hosts the video, but as it was a vital piece of HR (one of the SE's main goals is to promote the use of smoking heroin from tinfoil as a pose to using parenteral ROA's) and is simply unavailable due to a broken link following a recent spot of DIY on the place and was so definitive that I do not think that it was ever their intention to make it unavailable - that this video is simply one of the HR resources they haven't sellotaped back into place following the overhaul yet.

I will, if you think it would be of benefit, I can get in touch with one of the organisations founders (who I have 'known' for a couple of years now and should still have him on my facebook somewhere) to see if they can re - host the video as soon as is possible, as free videos and literature based around HR are a vital part of the service his colleagues and he provides. Let me know.
 
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Sounds like your a good customer to the guy and know him on other levels, why would he not give you tick? Tick doesn't really roll in the smack game but they're expections, not think? I have been there i used to give tick to people who I know I could trust.

I can't really describe the way I smoke my gear, I was showed of somebody who knew what they where doing and I have just followed the same steps ever since, always make sure i do the little trangle to collect most gear, I have been smoking gear for 3 year and only now I would say I am good at chasing, definetly an art form , that sadly you only get better at more of a junkie you become.

I ended up seeing my man early this morning, gave him the score I said I would then paid for another 2 up front, one was for somebody else tho and one was mine, plus i still had maybe a shitty bag from yesterday's half g, back at the missus's so keep the gear at my mums only way I wouldn't do it in. My missus wants life back to normal after she fucked me out around the corner to my mums lol but I need to get back to normal now, Friday I see my drugs worker and hopefully get another script, that's the thing when I get caught being naughty she fucks me round to my mums as punishment lol but it just sets me off on one cause I don't have her watching over me, sad but true , even when am fucked out I still stay some nights and fuck her , says only thing am good for lol and am still expected to put my hand in my pocket for house stuff , but it's her way at getting back at me for me doing something fucked up yet again lol , but when she wants us to go back to normal am usually pretty fucked by that point and need to get back to a semi normal human being, I used yesterday afternoon, and that was after sniffing a little bit of subby in the morning, am sniffing that little it's just holding off the worst, cause i had so little, I have about 1ml left keep that just in case, so that was .25 yesterday 3 oclock and I had a nice feeling rest of the day/night was in bed watching tv and stuff lol few joints of good pollen still felt good was even having a fly little nod, my house is empty by 7 bells in the morning most day with everybody got somewhere to go part from me , today I was myself slept okish last night up a few times but not cause of WD feelings, but slept from 2 right through till people started getting up to leave the house av still felt ok by this point but bang on 8 woke sharp felt it big time, ready and away to my hidey hole, not before being sick and having that boke, pure rattle the worst in a little while thank god I had that .25 right on to the foil and had a good 5/6 lines and I felt myself come round it's good gear but bad rattles, after I started to feel normal I had a somebody come to me looking for me to help them, so I txd my man well I enjoyed what I already had, mans always fast, but always wants to sit and talk to me about whatever happening round about, most time I want away asap cause am needing , but today I was ok so sat with him for 5, he comment I looked fresh lol I said cause I kept a bit from yesterday, think he was maybe hinting at scoring else where too, fuck him if he was am not , that's how am doing this deal n that deal with him and getting tick because am only scoring from him, saying he's gonna phone after with a tester of new stuff cause I have told him I will go else where if it's drops in standard, he doesn't take it but he knows am no mug and will to else where and with the other stuff I get up to he wants me on side that's why he's told me never to sit rough because much I put his way and with other dealings, but on Friday I want back on my subs, I need back on them I want to live the normal life with her, well normal ish because there is always gonna be that odd whatever, not even always smack I like my vals too, and am around them and a lot of them, but I have some self control with them, but I don't with junk, if I drink alchol I always sniff white and that becomes a massively problem on it's on so don't do that when am with my missus. Done a bit of that last week.

Think am a bit of my nut here lol slabbering a lot of shit, but I feel here me because I am basically a secret junkie, little bits are known to a few but on the whole no body knows what it's like, can talk to no one else about it, so I find I can let of a bit of steem with people in the same boat , hope everyone is good and no one is rough!!
 
That's about as good as a plate as you can make. 'Wasting' some of the gear through in-inhaled or exhaled smoke is inevitable when chasing the drug, but gear that's at least half decent should still get you properly fucked regardless of any 'wasted' smoke (as long as it isn't excessive). I only started injecting regularly due the combination of a massive tolerance, which, as it was caused by the methadone, has now dropped significantly. Unfortunately, the gear I can currently buy is average at best, and fluctuates between average and half decent without ever getting quite as strong as PD gear (it is occasionally, just not on average).

This has led to me needing to chase 2 - 4 points before I even start getting anywhere, and as a result, my desperation to get the full 'mileage' from what I buy now means that I generally start off by shooting a point (unless it's silly strong - I still run a couple of lines first in case it is an occasional batch of 'fire' and can be smoked to heaven without having to poke myself), which establishes an almost instant and satisfying buzz, which can then be topped back up to maximum goucharama by then chasing the rest a further point at a time. (EDIT: this is not recommendation on how to make your gear stretch, just my own greedy method)

I got my instructions for my standard plate and tooter making technique from a video on 'how to make a perfect pipe' which was hosted on the website of a fantastic harm reduction focused social enterprise that deals with the supply and safe use of drug paraphernalia. Unfortunately the website no longer hosts the video, but as it was a vital piece of HR (one of the SE's main goals is to promote the use of smoking heroin from tinfoil as a pose to using parenteral ROA's) and is simply unavailable due to a broken link following a recent spot of DIY on the place and was so definitive that I do not think that it was ever their intention to make it unavailable - that this video is simply one of the HR resources they haven't sellotaped back into place following the overhaul yet.

I will, if you think it would be of benefit, I can get in touch with one of the organisations founders (who I have 'known' for a couple of years now and should still have him on my facebook somewhere) to see if they can re - host the video as soon as is possible, as free videos and literature based around HR are a vital part of the service his colleagues and he provides. Let me know.

These mate?



 
i have not been here in long time please tell is all the h good in uk and is there any irish on this site any more cause h is still shit in ireland has been scince the first drought 6 years ago no matter what any one says the h is shit here


Ireland here :) The gear varies from seller to seller, some is shite, some is good, depends where you are!!!!
 
Hi guys, is it ok if I join ye? I'm 35, Irish & have been smoking gear for 4 months now, I've stocked up on kratom ready to taper down next week, I'm dreading it, I can't believe that I got hooked this easy, it's scary, noone knows only 2 friends :(
 
Of course you can join Rachella, as you can see most contributors here have been down this road once or twenty times before. How much are you using, are you just smoking it and how bad is the quality?

If there is anybody else who has experience with kratom tapers your experiences including starting doses equipotent to your previous opi use and the reduction you took would be of great benefit to this lady and any other members thinking of using this route.

Personally in the past, especially when the gear over here was still mainly of post drought quality (diluted as fuck but still enough to kill off w/d) I found it easier just to go cold turkey - if the gear over your way is still that weak, you may not be in for as rough a ride as some may be. One reason many users who are new to this feel an inability to cope with an average opiate withdrawal syndrome is the fear of the unknown if you haven't been through the process before - it is miserable - it is uncomfortable, but when using 'gold standard' short acting opiates (morphine, heroin) you should find that, especially your first time through, that 6 - 8 days of varying discomfort will get you through the worst - its what you do the day after you clean up that really counts.

If you have the kratom and feel the need to use it by all means give it a go. But if this really is your fist time 'round the block', if you have the space and environment to do it and you are in otherwise good health, why not just try and stop. As awful as it will feel, it will be dealt with in a week (from a physical view of discomfort at least) and any extra use of any opiate agonists during this time, including kratom and OTC medicines like loperamide will inevitably extend this period somewhat.

Sometimes just having a dose of kratom just on standby, in case things become completely unbearable, is more than enough to get one through the 'hump' of the w/d (most folk generally feel shitty starting between 12 - 30 hours from their last dose, with the 3rd and/or 4th day of withdrawal generally being the worst - by day 5 you will still feel vile but should notice how much and how quickly the discomfort has dissipated and by day 6, I, personally, am usually completely back on my feet, any fleeting episodes of PAWS not withstanding)

EDIT: Here is our 'megathread' on Kratom -

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/793447-Kratom-Mega-Thread-v-5?highlight=kratom+taper

it contains discussion about all aspects of the drugs use but have a trawl through it and there is bound to be some examples of tapers as there are plenty who have dependency issues on this drug alone. As a methadone patient I can preach but I cannot practise, but I just want to re-emphasise that this is the best chance you will ever have to tough it out without the use of substitute opi's. I managed too for years from many massive habits with nothing but benzos to help - I just never learned how to stop starting again which is one reason I have finally surrendered to treatment
 
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Hey pal, first time round only at it 4 month the WDs won't be that bad , but you obv won't think that but it will be. I have never used kratom, but I understand it's weak compared to heroin, if am not going cold turkey I usually use DFs to taper down, works but you can replace heroin with DFs as they WDs are baaad! Hope you knock it on the head, but how easy did it get hold of you, and are you truly ready to say "I won't use heroin again" I struggle with that part myself.

I seen my addictions worker today, and she didn't even know I hadn't collected my subby in 10 days (I didn't know it had only been 10 days, felt like 10 weeks with the shit that's went down) chemist hadn't got in touch, but I doubt I would of got it at the chemist because it was them who told her exactly how many days I hadn't been for it, layed it on thick for my worker, well i just told her the truth, not the full truth because it would of broke her heart, I said what she needed to hear, but at first she was saying I would need to give a sample first then see the doctor on Monday, then get a script was panic stations, I couldn't be arsed doing all that again, she said she would phone the doctor and see what they said, I had told her I was buying subby on the street and that's what's ad be using the 2 days, obv ad been using heroin, but winner, doc said I could just get my script, happy about that because few mornings have been torture, up from like 5 and sweating all night, had to get up and dry myself through the night, I know this is mostly due to the fact I mostly use in the mornings/early afternoon if am lucky because I need to hide it, that being said am having a few lines just now and I hope that I won't sweat as much tonight, that's it meant to be back on the subby tomorrow, but my man said he was meant to be getting better stuff, it has been good, at first it was dynamite, then it dropped a little fair play to him for not bullshittin and being honest, I knew that good of stuff wouldn't of lasted that long, but that's what gave me that taste for it again even though ad only been away from it 3 week, but being back with the missus I need to get back on the subs, waiting for her to go to work and all that shit is making me feel gulity. Obv a dapple at the weekend and subby the rest of the time, only if am not going out drinking, which I hardly do now anyway, definetly related to the gear that one. But am thinking if my man does get really good gear again I score tomorrow, maybe Sunday and then just properly go back at my subbys, I just need to break the habit of getting stable then fucking it, i was doing that even before I got back out of jail as well so this isn't a recent thing, need to walk away forever, but that seems impossible, sadly.
 
Hi guys, is it ok if I join ye? I'm 35, Irish & have been smoking gear for 4 months now, I've stocked up on kratom ready to taper down next week, I'm dreading it, I can't believe that I got hooked this easy, it's scary, noone knows only 2 friends :(

I'd recommend getting on Subutex if its offered anywhere near you, or you can get it, I nearly lost my job by the skin of my teeth by being so fucked up a year ago and bouncing between high and withdrawal, I had to wait like two fucking weeks to get a script though when I did after two days on 8mg (from a habit of smoking a gram a day) I suddenly gained back my stability in my life and could hold down a job/social life. The high's pretty good too when you're on doses over 2mg,

I still have the Job and social life coming off my script though everything's naturally gone to pot and i'm borderline about to implode on myself and really don't want to go through another 9 months of keyworkers and all that shaft.

Also be weary about who you tell, I lost most of my friends.. not out of anything bad I did I never did anything bad to them or stole or talked about them behind their backs. The mere stigma of being labeled "Junkey" will just make people avoid you. Really only tell people you really trust, stay safe
 
Also be weary about who you tell, I lost most of my friends.. not out of anything bad I did I never did anything bad to them or stole or talked about them behind their backs. The mere stigma of being labeled "Junkey" will just make people avoid you. Really only tell people you really trust, stay safe

reallly? they can't have been very good friends then mate. after i 'came out' to all my friends as struggling with addiction all of them except one or two rallied around me, not trying it rub it in i'm sure your friends reaction is quite typical all around the UK but i couldn't imagine suffering in silence for the sake of a bunch of flakey friends who'll jump ship the moment the boat rocks.
 
reallly? they can't have been very good friends then mate. after i 'came out' to all my friends as struggling with addiction all of them except one or two rallied around me, not trying it rub it in i'm sure your friends reaction is quite typical all around the UK but i couldn't imagine suffering in silence for the sake of a bunch of flakey friends who'll jump ship the moment the boat rocks.

It's not seem as socially acceptable, even by most drug users in the UK unless people are on it themselves


from my experience anyway.
 
Who needs 'friends' like that? IMO they aren't even real friends if their professed comradeship is no more than a monolayer, to be disrupted at a mere fart in the wind such as that, and who will fuck you off in your hour of need, and at that, when you haven't taken from them what has been given not. Just because they judge you for what chemicals you put into your own body. Bet they drink alcohol and hell, probably do other drugs. In my book anyone who will turn round and judge like that, especially if they turn against you because of it, are no friends, they are liabilities and I want nothing to do with that kind of socalled friend. Fuck 'em, and fuck the mangy mutt their whoremother slimed in on. And if someone sees fit to judge you because you do H, or any other drug and THEY drink alcohol, or if they do not, but they act fine with friends of theirs who do, when it too is just another (shitty) drug. Triply fuck them, diagonally. In the ass. With a chair.

Slimy janus-faced neurotypical gobshites.
 
It's not seem as socially acceptable, even by most drug users in the UK unless people are on it themselves


from my experience anyway.

oh yeah man nah its unacceptable in 'polite society', my mates were shocked, but not appalled.
yes they found it a bit hard to process, but they were more shocked i'd been suffering for so long and hadn't felt i could tell them.
my mates are the best.

i'm real sorry that happened to you pal, real sorry
 
During the summer, I started on methadone, getting scripted 45 mls, daily supervised consumption. I chose my nearest pharmacy that does needle exchange, as I felt somehow that they would be more accepting of opiate users in general.
Every day I would walk in, and the staff would roll their eyes and take their own sweet time serving me. There were two young women working there who actually treated me like a sentient being.
I had a relapse of my bipolar, and was finding it really difficult to go to pick up my dose. It became like something from Legend Of Zelda, 'The quest for the magical Jar of Holding.'
A few weeks ago, I dropped out of the methadone programme, and I was soon shooting up heroin every day. I am now going to the same pharmacy to collect needles. What a change! The staff are polite and friendly! Maybe because dispensing my script was Actual Work, instead of just handing me a package from under the counter? SMH
 
I feel weird in the chemist too, do they see me as the same as the others ones that come in? I don't care what anyone says am not that type of junkie, I am a junkie but I look after myself still, but that is hard too do with a junk habit, I only seemed to come here when I was bad on it or struggling, I know I have only been back on my subs a week but it feels like a life time it's nuts. Am having a drink and a few lines of good white, and this is what I used to love way back when, and has much as I am enjoying it, if am honest I would rather take junk, even tho my life in a week looks better ad rather still have junk and that is madness. How do you cope with that? I was already thinking if am rough tomorrow i patch the subby for kit, already got it justified to myself , we will see tho as my missus is having a drink and maybe also rough I may fight it because I wanna make my family work, am trying to sort myself out , I know the right choices I just need to make them, but walking away completely from heroin seems like the hardest thing I will ever do in life, madness if you could tell your non junkie self that you'd never believe it lol fuck it tho one day at a time and try find enjoyment in what you used to do, and I am but it's just not as good, that's all, have a good one all
 
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