GenericMind
Bluelighter
Exactly, so people don't need to be able to walk into a store and buy an AR-15. There's no reason military weapons should be in the hands of citizens.
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manboychef
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especially droppers hands.
mal3volent
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I tend to agree with this, but if the police are allowed to have them, shouldn't everyone else? I worry about how many hateful, superstitious people are able to get automatic weapons legally. But I think I worry more about the government and their right-hand being armed to the teeth while the common person is left to fend for themselves. We can and should dream of a world without guns, but lets not be too hasty disarming ourselves while everyone else does the exact opposite...
Cosmic Trigger
Bluelighter
Things haven't gotten quite bad enough yet but they will and finally, because they have little choice, they will fight. Likely too little too late but it's going to be a hell of a show. Much of the rest of the world is used to this. It will finally be our turn.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
It's a catch 22. Most police departments weren't armed like that years ago. I remember watching a documentary a decade ago about some bank robbery where the robbers were in full body/head armor and armed with assault rifles. The police had to stay back for several hours and wait for reinforcements and rifles from the next town over because they didn't have the kind of firepower to match the robbers. They just had pistols and shotguns. It's exactly situations like that that make them think they need assault rifles.
But you're right, we definitely need to demilitarize our police forces. Bernie of course says that at every rally. I think banning citizens from owning military weapons like that would go a long way towards the argument that cops don't need that kind of equipment anymore.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Bc there is no way a criminal could get a banned gun! They should apply your logic to the heroin epidemic and finally end opiate abuse!
Cosmic Trigger
Bluelighter
Criminals will always have access to whatever firepower they need. If the population is unarmed they are going to be helpless should real trouble arise. If the govt has guns then the citizens should. Unless you want to protect yourself with rocks and slingshots.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
That's terrible logic Droppers. Maybe you should look into the biographies of all the high-profile mass shooters over the past year or two. None of them were "criminals." They were just everyday people who snapped.
What, you think everyone has connections to black market weapons dealers? You think I know a guy that knows a guy that would be selling illegal assault rifles if I one day decided to go on a shooting spree? No. And the vast majority of people in America don't either. And even if they found one, inquiring around about, searching for, and finally obtaining an illegal assault rifle from the black market gives law enforcement many more opportunities to catch someone trying to do that than walking into Gander Mountain and buying one does.
What, you think everyone has connections to black market weapons dealers? You think I know a guy that knows a guy that would be selling illegal assault rifles if I one day decided to go on a shooting spree? No. And the vast majority of people in America don't either. And even if they found one, inquiring around about, searching for, and finally obtaining an illegal assault rifle from the black market gives law enforcement many more opportunities to catch someone trying to do that than walking into Gander Mountain and buying one does.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
Nobody is suggesting not allowing citizens to to own guns. The second amendment gives us the right to own guns. What it doesn't do is give us the right to own military-grade weapons created with the sole purpose of killing human beings.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
The bulk of these shootings are done with handguns. Assualt rifles have been used in recent cases, but a couple 40 cal glocks with a bunch of mags is just as deadly. Do you now ban handguns?
GenericMind
Bluelighter
So you think this guy could have killed 50 people and injured 53 more armed with just handguns?
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Easily, could of killed more with a bomb though
The second amendments sole purpose is about defending against other humans.
The second amendments sole purpose is about defending against other humans.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
If you think this guy could have walked into a crowded club with just handguns and killed 50 people while injuring 53 more before getting taken out by either the police or the victims there's no point in continuing this conversation.
Droppersneck
Bluelighter
Idk man I guess I own multiple Ar15s and have a glock 40 cal with a 30 round mag. Imma get two of those glocks to conceal and load up on mags everytime. I even have a buddy that has one of these which is ridiculous but easy enough to make yourself
jammin83
Bluelighter
Thats pretty scary dude. people that do drugs really shouldn't own guns for the most part. maybe smoke a little weed, but i bet you do more than that.
just like all the rest of the coked out, oxyd out, tweekd out rednecks around where i live that haven't gotten busted yet. they are dangerous and get in domestic disputes and all sorts of fuckery and drug nonsense all the time. These dipshits should be allowed to own automatic weapons? gtfo.
people should be allowed to own guns, but not assault rifles, and you should need at least a psych evaluation before you can buy a fucking AR 15. You shouldn't have guns in heavily populated areas either.
the criminals can get guns thing is so stupid. not really. they can if any guy can go buy one and scrape off the serial number and sell it. not every criminal has an arms dealer on speed dial. thats pretty ridiculous.
guess i hate freedom bc i think every dipshit in the country doesn't need a gun. i don't think banning guns is the answer. but i support having gun control that makes sense. our society is the problem not guns, but gun culture is a big problem here. theres a fucking gun show across the street from my house every month. you think they do background checks?
just like all the rest of the coked out, oxyd out, tweekd out rednecks around where i live that haven't gotten busted yet. they are dangerous and get in domestic disputes and all sorts of fuckery and drug nonsense all the time. These dipshits should be allowed to own automatic weapons? gtfo.
people should be allowed to own guns, but not assault rifles, and you should need at least a psych evaluation before you can buy a fucking AR 15. You shouldn't have guns in heavily populated areas either.
the criminals can get guns thing is so stupid. not really. they can if any guy can go buy one and scrape off the serial number and sell it. not every criminal has an arms dealer on speed dial. thats pretty ridiculous.
guess i hate freedom bc i think every dipshit in the country doesn't need a gun. i don't think banning guns is the answer. but i support having gun control that makes sense. our society is the problem not guns, but gun culture is a big problem here. theres a fucking gun show across the street from my house every month. you think they do background checks?
GenericMind
Bluelighter
Idk man I guess I own multiple Ar15s and have a glock 40 cal with a 30 round mag. Imma get two of those glocks to conceal and load up on mags everytime. I even have a buddy that has one of these which is ridiculous but easy enough to make yourself
Even that doesn't come close to comparing to the high-capacity assault rifle the guy used in Orlando. The caliber of the bullet isn't nearly as destructive.
People are allowed to own pistols, shotguns, and hunting rifles for personal protection due to the Second Amendment. They don't need something that can spray high caliber rifle bullets into a crowd and kill and mame dozens of people in the blink of an eye.
droppersneck: 4th time of asking. please post a few examples of where i have argued that the second amendment should be changed.
you made a claim. back it up please.
interestingly you say "In short I believe the constitution is concise and does not need to be changed..." but you posted this:
which one is it droppers? because they can't both be right. get your story straight.
my thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims.
alasdair
you made a claim. back it up please.
interestingly you say "In short I believe the constitution is concise and does not need to be changed..." but you posted this:
which one is it droppers? because they can't both be right. get your story straight.
absolutely right, gm. but republicans and the gun lobby have to keep repeating this lie to keep the myth alive.
my thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims.
alasdair
MMT
Bluelighter
Exactly, the 2A has nothing to do with hunting.It is there to keep the government in check and prevent tyranny.I have no problem with arming citizens with semi-auto assault rifles.
Here's a question. What % of the Armed Forces do you think would side with the people if there was a revolt.
Idk man I guess I own multiple Ar15s and have a glock 40 cal with a 30 round mag. Imma get two of those glocks to conceal and load up on mags everytime. I even have a buddy that has one of these which is ridiculous but easy enough to make yourself
How heavy is it fully loaded ??
Cosmic Trigger
Bluelighter
As far as I know the second amendment doesn't state what kind of weapon one might possess. By your reasoning it could be determined that only single shot 22 caliber guns are allowed by the second amendment.
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GenericMind
Bluelighter
So what the fuck are they waiting for? Our government is no less tyrannical than dozens of historical examples I can think of over the past 500 years. The only difference is that the world has evolved in such a way that they can do it and it seems far less tangible and obvious. Our society is infinitely more complex than societies were centuries ago. There is no need to come right out and physically stomp out opposition and oppress people with actual physical violence and death. They can now achieve the same benefits of power and control over us using socioeconomic means that are far more cunning and harder for the average American to perceive or understand.
It was "shit or get off the pot" time for these gun-toting "Patriots" decades ago. They haven't done shit because this isn't 1776 anymore, and just like their ways of oppressing us don't rely on physical violence anymore neither do our options of rising up and revolting against the ruling class. Real domestic wars and revolution in industrialized nations aren't fought with bullets in the 21st century. They're fought with information, propaganda, and public opinion. That's why the second amendment is one of the most outdated amendments there is and totally useless for its original purpose in modern times. If you want to guard the second amendment's original intention, it should now read "The people have a right to free and unbiased press and access to all cataloged information on the goings on of their local, state, and federal governments."
It's funny and sad that they have people still arguing over gun rights like they somehow matter to our ability to protect against a tyrannical government. It's also the same reasons that hundreds of millions of people haven't rallied behind a candidate like Bernie Sanders this election. If people understood what 21st century revolutions would theoretically look like they might as well have canceled the elections because 80% of the country would be behind Bernie. Instead they've used the same type of tactics they've used for hundreds of years, except now with the flow of information instead of physical force, to stomp out an uprising in the making.
But let's keep arguing amongst ourselves about guns, religion, race, and taxes. That's getting us results.