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Holding on to psychedelic revelations

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Holding on to psychedelic revealations

Recently had an experience with a MDXX material which i found to be very profound. It was by no means a pleasant experience, in fact i found it to be one of the most difficult trips of my life. I've had ayahuasca experiences that were a hell of a lot easier to work through than this was.

This was due to the nature of my focus during the 'trip' or whatever. It was if i was being forced to look very intensely upon my own life, it's direction, and what was keeping me from achieving the goals that i have set for myself. A lot of it had to do with being honest with myself.

Here, now, the following week, i'm still holding onto the lessons i learned from this particular ally. I am afraid however, that like with so many other drug experiences (2ci, anyone?), that with time my actions will dull back to normal, and i will be stuck where i started. Square one.

Here is my question:

How do YOU hold on to those gems of wisdom gained from psychedelic introspection?

I really appreciate your time and consideration.

-j.
 
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Take your gems, realize them until they become tangible, practice them (very important) and become them. The reminder will be yourself, and it'll be hard to forget.
 
Fascinating question. I’ve given it some thought in the past myself.

Trip notes can be helpful, if they turn into trip reports then that’s great, but that’s not a personal requirement. I have found that talking about the issues with a trusted confidant can help bring perspective and sometimes closure to issues that you are being confronted with. Often times notes, or whatever, are impractical and often impossible. Sometimes they would ruin the continuity of the stream of conscious thought. Perhaps some pre-trip preparations might facilitate post trip integration. I sometimes go through elaborate pre-trip rituals including fasting and meditation, they help clear the mind and assist in teaching whatever the ally/sacrament/drug is trying to show you. But, often, the psychedelic experience is only a key that aids in unlocking your own ability to self heal. It sounds like you are already aware of that, keep up the good work. :)
 
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heh. both i guess. it just depends. depends on the issue, depends on the drug, depends on if a confidant is present during the trip, and *if* they are able to communicate, etc. during can be helpful, but often confusing. sometimes its just better to make a note and revisit while sober.
 
heh. both i guess. it just depends. depends on the issue, depends on the drug, depends on if a confidant is present during the trip, and *if* they are able to communicate, etc. during can be helpful, but often confusing. sometimes its just better to make a note and revisit while sober.
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I agree w/ this. But for me, the best time to revisit and assess these revelations isn't when i'm sober, or even right after the trip. But rather, right after the peak, closer to when the drug starts to wear off, but certainly when the drug still has central action in the CNS.

During this time I am piecing together reality, while still maintaining that connection to the relevation and/or head space that allows me access to it. IME, this is the most important time for integration.

Then, if further understanding is needed, you could discuss your findings with a trusting confidant like some of you have mentioned. But this should be done after the experience.
 
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How do YOU hold on to those gems of wisdom gained from psychedelic introspection?
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I spend a lot of time rediscovering and examining the experiences in my head.

I try to discuss my experiences with trusted friends.

I read about similar insights, perhaps gained from different methods. Learn languages to speak about these things.

Sometimes, I reread something that didn't seem too important before and then all of the sudden it will make complete sense to me.

I try to act as if I believe what I am saying in my head.

I look for others who might know.

I try to be more open to sources of wisdom.
 
i have also gone through difficult growth experiences many times on psychedelics, generally i find the revelations are so unnerving i dont forget
easily, and pretty much decide to change then and there.

i recommend you have faith in yourself, your actions don't always have revert back to less enlightening states :)
 
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How do YOU hold on to those gems of wisdom gained from psychedelic introspection?
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I don't. Real gems of wisdom, imho, are the ones that hold on to me. IOW If something I realized in a psychedelic trip really fits with whoever I am at the core, it will have a tendency to stick with me naturally. Techniques like meditation and other spiritual practises can help reconcile the gap between my psychedelic states and sober states, and help me see what really fits with whoever I am at the core making it stick better. But it also helps me realize some gems of wisdom don't really fit with me at all and I need to let them go.
 
How do I hold on the psychedelic revelations?

For me, waking up the next day and writing a trip report is really one of the best ways. I write a fair amount of trip reports (as some of you might have noticed), and I find that doing this is one of the best ways to remember my trip and make sense of any revelations I might have had.

With some trips, like my most recent shroom trip , it is easy to make sense of the trip and see how it applies to my life. On that trip I was unable to stand music, noise, chaos, and normal fast-paced activities. I spent most of the trip in silent darkness meditating and having relaxed conversation with my girlfriend. I have always been one to do things at my own pace, and have always resisted externally imposed priorities... the mushrooms showed me how to escape this, and live life more deliberately and peacefully.

I use mdma about once every couple of months with my girlfriend ( in fact last night was one such occasion =D ). It serves as a refresher for our relationship, we completely open up to each other, and we're reminded how completely we love each other...... so when you wake up the next day you either have the option to think "Last night was incredible, too bad it can't always be like that." .. or you can follow through on the things you talked about and, without delay, take steps to make everyday life a little bit closer to "exstacy".

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Not all trips will give such clear lessons. My LSD trips are usually full of so much revelation and sensory overload that I won't try to hold on to many specifics. Instead I'll spend the next week or so letting the experience coalesce until I can answer the question, "What's one thing I should change about the way I live my life?"

And of course many trips simply leave me with the feeling of wisdom from having seen the unspeakable and having been tought the unteachable.
 
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psychedelic revealations of mine...

at times they're kind of hard to point out.

at times they seem like they might in the nature of some schizoid thought process.



all psychedelics tought me was that there is always more to a situation... you can turn it this way and that.. ... change your distance to the situation... your angle. You can always make something that looks fancy and elegant look sinister and wicked. No matter how much you inflate or deflate the truth... it remains that that it was.

psychedelics taught me the importance of relationships in life. the importance of compassion for the other. no matter who the other is.

psychedelics revealed to me the darker side of myself as well as the lighter side.

they're pretty expansive, i might add... as others are as well, i've found.

sometimes things get tricky in the land of the blind, but i still keep pushing.... for some feeling of satisfaction.

and you can only feel that in a moment, for you can only feel at this very moment.

so on top of personal revealation... i would have to say the only thing that matters is how you feel... not how you wish to feel.. but how you feel now...

that is what is responsible for everything else. indirectly both directly.

i'll write more later... if it comes to mind.... i have a lot of noise in my head at the moment, sorry
 
i hold on to a lot... although, at the same time i think most of what i hold on to is in my subconscious layering.... i really choose to live in a completely isolated state for the most part... communication is limited..

this could be due to fear.

but i have always been quiet... reserved even inside myself. always just observing... letting the patterns play their rhymes.
 
i beleive that even if i can't consciously remember much of your thoughts while tripping, the experience becomes imprinted in your mind, influencing the way you think and act
 
Recently I've found that sitting down and writing a trip report forces understanding of whatever confused me, and surely allows me to keep some revelation from the experience.

I've been lucky to trip with my boyfriend most of the time, because we share through the trip and afterwards, and expressing what you feel and think in words so that anyone else can understand them, has at least for me clarified many trips and revelations as well as remind me of something I forgot or dismissed.

However, most of what I have been taught is to live life a little calmer, to be more appreciative and understanding. Although those truths aren't ever forgotten, they are certainly more powerful after a trip. My tendency to take psychedelic drugs to be reminded of these things has increased, and I wonder whether reminders are necessary, that some revelations can never be grasped completely without some substance.

But I don't want to believe that. So writing it out, making myself articulate a feeling into words is difficult but it's rewarding, every time. Especially if there's someone who wants to discuss it with you.

gloggawogga, I agree that some seem to fit and stick better than others without any effort. For me the more difficult and challenging revelations will take time to coalesce and integrate, like you mentioned bluedolphin, which requires a lot of pondering and I think those are forgotten more as the memories fade.

So as long as there is some kind of reflection, you cannot let the gems go completely. Expressing or reimagining the experience and your thoughts in some way after the psychedelic has worn off is what helps me best.

Hope all that was helpful. Great question, thanks for making me really think about it.

peace
 
^^ sure this will help you remember some of the things that happened during your trip, but you will only hear what you have said, not what you thought. thinking is something you do the whole time, i don't see anyone talking the whole time unless you're on e or something. it sure is fun to tape a smoking session, but taping a psychedelic revelation is an other thing.

btw, how are you going to tape a trip that happens outside, in nature, you don't want to carry a tape recorder with you the whole time, that's irritating beyond proportions.
 
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Techniques like meditation and other spiritual practises can help reconcile the gap between my psychedelic states and sober states, and help me see what really fits with whoever I am at the core making it stick better. But it also helps me realize some gems of wisdom don't really fit with me at all and I need to let them go.
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I agree wholeheartedly with these two sentences, which constitute IMBO the most applicable statement in this entire thread. Cultivating a disciplined body-mind connection with meditation, yoga, or another systematic, routine practice really works…
 
but in the saem rationale, if you try to narrate, almost like a scientist, it ciould help you remember, almsot like taking note, but it could just, kill the trip.
 
"What is one thing I can do to live a better life?"

ask yourself this question after each trip
 
I'm actually interested in hearing from someone who uses music to integrate psychedelic revelations in a more active sort of way. Any of you musicians care to share some insight?
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Playing/composing music during intense psychedelic experiences most certainly has some value to it. Playing music can add to an overall primal understanding of the situation. But a lot of times, the emotion of the experience is so overwhelming that it can not be carried over into the "integration period," as i like to call it.

The reason being, is that simply put... its easier to hold on to certain thoughts and revelations with a pen in hand, or with an undistracted, attentive mind. Things that are not relevant to the engaged musician while tripping heavily. The attention is placed on processing, playing, and incorporating the music rather than doing any real "mending of the soul" or retaining of information. But thats not to say the music doesn't mend problems unconsciously!

Music can always be a healer of sorts. I've always been a firm believer in that.

However, recording your sessions and listening to them later, assuming they were composed on the spot, can most certainly help bring issues or revelations that were relevant at that time to the conscious mind. But like i said, the brain was too wrapped up in the present-situation so that any real retaining of specifics is unlikely. But a lot of times, the jist of the situation or "revelation" can be recollected with this method! At least IME..

But hey at the worst, at least it adds a little psychedelic flare to your band's demo! :)
 
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