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3 years of +3000mg Tramadol daily - help!

I could very well be wrong. This just seems like way too high an amount, and I'd bet there's probably plenty of Tram in OP's blood to negate any negative effects from an initial major drop in dosing.

I don't know, I'm just afraid at such high doses he's going to catch that seizure OP has been dodging.
 
Guys I successfully dropped to 2400mg.
I still feel a mild euphoria, but I miss the higher dosage head exploding euphorish head-space (while it wasn't as good as my first experience euphoria with tram, I don't know why I still loved it).
Anyway, fuck euphoria!
I must end this shit NOW.
The devil in my head tells me to postpone the quitting to tomorrow and have fun today, he's been telling that to me for a year!
No more tomorrow Mr. devil, today is the day!

When I still feel a bit mild euphoria out of 2400mg, it means that I still don't risk seizure due to too low Tram in my body, am I right?
I will continue more slowly now, until I get to the point that I feel NO EUPHORIA, and from there, will continue extremely slower, since after that point, it's too risky to drop it too fast.
And wish me to be able to tolerate the "no euphoria" life.

The bodybuilder ex-Tram junkie dude borrowed me a book called "Convict Conditioning".
I still haven't finished reading it, but it's about "bodyweight" training at home without any sports equipment, starting from very very simple moves that even your grandma can do, and slowly building-up to moves that make Superman cry (one-armed pullups, damn!)
Each move has 10 steps, and there's only 6 moves, called the big six, which covers the entire body.
I don't think about reaching the higher steps, I don't even think about the step right now, I just want to do what I can, have some fun, and kickstart that endorphin secreting system again to get some euphoria without Tram.
 
Damn that's a lot of tram..but I want to say that when I had my 300mg oxy a day habit I was scared to quit because of the withdrawl AND because I felt the same way u did about "not knowing how to live without that euphoric feeling"..well that was true for the first month but I kept pushing myself and going in my second month I started to feel great and actually forgot how that euphoric feeling even felt and I still do forget how it felt because I'm high on life now hahaha..maybe in your case it might take a bit longer to get that normal feeling and forgetting about the euphoric feeling but it's possible..if u quit now u more than likely will be feeling great by the new year if not before that..if you don't quit soon then you'll be going into the new year with the same pill habit..just do it and stay strong..
 
That's great. Just be sure you slow down once you get lower. Lower dosages will always become more problematic. Sometimes it takes a couple weeks for withdrawals to set in. Be safe. You don't want to mess around with SSRI/SNRI type withdrawals. I have seen them totally destabilize some peeps before. Everyone wants to get off fast and now but by rushing things you can be doing yourself a huge disservice and put yourself through a lot of pain. I learned that one the hard way. Don't be like me.
 
Keep up the great work OP! Who knows, you might just be able to beat this demon, or at least get down to a much much safer, more reasonable dosage, without the need for other medications. I'd keep something like diazepam or clonazepam or some other gabaergic drug on hand just in case, but you're doing so well ATM I'd just keep up what you've been doing. Keeping up a good, healthy diet will do wonders for keeping your immune system healthy, and a healthy immune system will do wonders for alleviating some of your withdrawal symptoms.
 
Hello again!
I'm completely off Tramadol now!
It's been almost 20 days since I'm taking zero Tramadol!
But I didn't manage to quit it without any other med.

Actually, I began taking bupropion, and it instantly made it impossible to enjoy Tramadol, I mean I was still taking Tramadol, but I didn't feel anything out of it anymore, so the psychological dependence was gone altogether, and I just needed to kick the physical dependence, which was super easy as well, I just tapered down to zero from 1500mg within around 2-3 weeks.

I also began exercising regularly, I lift weights every other day, which has increased my appetite pretty good despite taking bupropion (lowers appetite, but nowhere as much as Trams)

The other effect I'm getting from bupropion is that it makes me a very active and productive person, enabling me to accomplish every task I write in my todo list ASAP.

One problem I was getting from bupropion was insomnia, it made it really hard for me to fall sleeping.
But I managed to solve this problem with intensive evening exercise and bedtime melatonin.

The other problem (these 2 were the ONLY problems I had with 300mg bupropion SR) was high blood pressure (around 160/120 mmHG at rest) which I also solved by 50mg/d of Atenolol.

Later when I reached zero Trams, I started to feel anxious and speedy on 300mg of bupropion, so I dropped to 150mg and it fixed the problem.

I don't feel any euphoria out of it, but I'm a happy person now, since I'm productive, kicked the devil Tram, and assured that I'm not going to lose my kidneys anytime soon anymore.

So to conclude it, these are the only drugs I'm taking now each day:

- 150mg bupropion SR at morning
- 50mg atenolol at morning
- 3mg melatonin at bedtime
- 45mins of barbell lifting at evening every other day (yes it's a drug! a really addictive one!!)

Aside from being Tram-free, the most important thing is that "I don't miss it anymore!", all thanks to the wonder drug called bupropion.

WARNING:
During the very first 5 days, bupropion made me REALLY REALLY suicidal, to the extend of "not being able to tolerate life anymore", and constantly had impulsive feelings to kill myself, which felt like a tic.
My family took care of me during that 5 days, and prevented me from doing it by extensive friendly talking sessions, without them I could be under 6 feet of soil by now.
The suicidal impulses stopped after 5 days completely, and now I'm experiencing nothing but feeling great, highly motivated, and full of energy!
 
Hey Will How are you? You can get out of the situation you're in. That's not fun when you don't want to give up that euphoria....I know a thing or two about that. I never had a seizure in my life....then I had eight in a row, when I went off of opiates cold-turkey/abruptly. You know, for about 10 seconds before they happen something very wrong is happening to you, and its terrifying.

It's already been said, you can get that euphoria, and, at this point as has been said, a lot less dangerously by using a real opiate. And a whole lot less of it. I am prescribed tramadol....I take 100mg 3x/day. I have never felt anything from them but have been told if you take a crazy amount, you do and of course get a bad stomach ache. I'm afraid to try taking a lot for fear of liking it-I have been through a lot regarding opiate use.

How about while trying to taper, taking Gabapentin or Lyrica? I haven't researched if that's safe for you. Its just a thought.

One of the things Ive learned from self-medicating myself-is there may be underlying issues that can be managed with other medication...they will help reduce your desire to use.


You can get better, as trapped as you're feeling. So many of us BLrs are living proof. :) All the best to you.
 
Wow Will! That's great. I wrote my previous post before I saw your latest update. That really is good news.
 
Wow.. this is awesome to hear. I started Buproprion as well on Wednesday.. over a week after quitting trams. I had ZERO physical side effects except for restless leg syndrome all over my freaking body all the time. I havent slept in like ... well... since I stopped taking Trams. I did take Kratom for a while and that seemed to help the RLS and get me some sleep.. but I havent had kratom since wednesday either.

I started with a new doctor and started the Buproprion and .1mg of clonidine as needed for anxiety and at bed for sleep... it makes me tired and kind helps with the RLS but I'll fall asleep for like an hour and then im right back up with the worst fucking anxiety.

I have been REALLY MEAN since I started the Buproprion. Were you like this? I snap at people for no reason. I get so irritated. Even if my boyfriends dog is like.. cleaning himself.. I scream at him to shut the fuck up. lol. its not ok... Im glad your suicidal thoughts left after 5 days. This would be day 5 for me.. I take 100mg 2x daily.

Im so tired. Just so miserably tired. my body hurts.. my head hurts.. i have zero energy and im in this horrible fucking fog. Tell me this goes away....
 
@Stargazer:
Looks like I've become one of the living proofs too, and extremely proud of it! :)
Proving that with the right motivation and medications, it's possible to quit crazy high doses of tramadol too, something which seems like an unreachable dream when you're addicted to it.

msox12 said:
Wow.. this is awesome to hear. I started Buproprion as well on Wednesday.. over a week after quitting trams. I had ZERO physical side effects except for restless leg syndrome all over my freaking body all the time. I havent slept in like ... well... since I stopped taking Trams. I did take Kratom for a while and that seemed to help the RLS and get me some sleep.. but I havent had kratom since wednesday either.

I started with a new doctor and started the Buproprion and .1mg of clonidine as needed for anxiety and at bed for sleep... it makes me tired and kind helps with the RLS but I'll fall asleep for like an hour and then im right back up with the worst fucking anxiety.

I have been REALLY MEAN since I started the Buproprion. Were you like this? I snap at people for no reason. I get so irritated. Even if my boyfriends dog is like.. cleaning himself.. I scream at him to shut the fuck up. lol. its not ok... Im glad your suicidal thoughts left after 5 days. This would be day 5 for me.. I take 100mg 2x daily.

Im so tired. Just so miserably tired. my body hurts.. my head hurts.. i have zero energy and im in this horrible fucking fog. Tell me this goes away....
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As I stated before, bupropion took my blood pressure to the roof, the first drug to control the blood pressure I took was actually clonidine!
It mellowed the aggressive manners that bupropion was giving me, and helped me sleep very well (although I took 0.4mg at bedtime all at once) and also fixed my blood pressure pretty good.

But the problem with clonidine was that it made me overtly LAZY, and left me with zero motivation to get up and start the day, and as you stated yourself, it also made my mind foggy and I couldn't focus (that's ironic, since it's an FDA approved drug for ADHD as well...)
I replaced clonidine with atenolol, it manages my blood pressure and anxiety without making me lazy and foggy-headed, but it have zero effect on aggressiveness and sleep, so I started to take melatonin to fix my sleep-less-ness caused by bupropion, and it's working pretty good for me.

The aggressive behavior kinda mellows down on itself after awhile once your CNS is used to bupropion, and becomes much easier to ignore and control.

All I can say to you is: stop taking clonidine and replace it with atenolol and melatonin, and your zero energy and foggy head issues will go away instantly.
And give bupropion some time to adjust your body and begin to show its real effects; the anxiety and aggressiveness will decrease in less than two weeks.
 
Will....seriously happy for you!! I'm so glad that it worked well for you. Welcome. (Its good feeling isn't it?). Well done. :)
 
Bupropion helped me a lot with quitting Tramadol.
To the point of admitting that I couldn't do it if it wasn't for bupropion.
It eliminated my tramadol craves, and I had no interest to take trams anymore.

But be careful, bupropion can put you in suicidal thoughts, and may lead you into killing yourself.
 
Thank you for the update and congratulations on kicking tramadol! Wow, what a journey that must have been. Great work!

Are you feeling better or do you still have suicidal thoughts?
 
Wow I hadn't even heard of Tramadol before, looked it up, and it appears everyone here is right: See a Doctor. But your main concern really sounded like 'I don't want to be sober', and that's fine. But there are many much lower-harm drugs than Tramadol!!

Some of the safest ones I know are Ether for dissociatives when inhaled and euphoric alc-like effects when drunk (start with TINY doses like 2g! you'll smell like a glue factory but it's much easier than ethanol on your kidney and liver) , shrooms/cactus for tripping, weed obviously, bali kratom for opioid like effects, malaysian kratom for an amphetamine like feel and kava for powerful, nonaddictive sedation. Vaping nicotine for a little stimulus is much healthier than smoking. All available online or from 'good circles' more or less so you don't have to mix with your old millieu. Those are the lowest harm substances I can think of, do any sound appealing?? btw as for anti-depressant effects there is st. johns wort which is like a tri-cyclic anti-d and can be wickedly powerful so don't mess with it until the tramadol situation is taken care of. or just get a script for wellbutrin or the like.

I hope you get a chance to recover, stabilize and fix your life to where you like it. If you do that, you'll probably find you won't want any drugs after all. Stay safe.
 
Will miss Tram :( said:
I don't know what a seizure feels like, but sometimes when at the peak of effects I feel like I'm getting violently and rapidly sucked out of my head-space into the nothingness, so I grab my surroundings to keep myself here; Is that how people who "are going to" experience a seizure feel like?
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Yes, that is how some siezures feel before they hit. Do have any electricity running through you? I always felt electricity, then instantly hot, then if it was a grand mal siezure I would barf ALL the contents of my stomach in one convulsion, and then sieze. For a partial I would feel the electricity, the heat, and then nothingness that seemed to last an eternity. I would try to hold on to the floor because it felt like I was free floating in a space, but nothingness. Terrifying. Please be careful - siezures are horrible and can do lasting damage. They can also kill you.
 
For 2 weeks after I completely came off Tram, my kidneys hurt like HELL (I didn't feel the pain before due to analgesia that Tram gave me), so so bad that I really believed they are gone and need to be removed out of my body.
Luckily they recovered after 2 weeks and the pain was gone.

During those 2 weeks I did lots of research on water consumption in case of suspected kidney failure, and didn't manage to come to a sure conclusion, as some resources said drink less water, while some advocated to drink more water.
So I tried to stick to my regular past amount at last.

Moreaux said:
Yes, that is how some siezures feel before they hit. Do have any electricity running through you? I always felt electricity, then instantly hot, then if it was a grand mal siezure I would barf ALL the contents of my stomach in one convulsion, and then sieze. For a partial I would feel the electricity, the heat, and then nothingness that seemed to last an eternity. I would try to hold on to the floor because it felt like I was free floating in a space, but nothingness. Terrifying. Please be careful - siezures are horrible and can do lasting damage. They can also kill you.
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I haven't experienced partials ever.
But I was finally hit with grand-mal seizures,
Not from Tramadol, but from Bupropion!
Grands for me felt like this order:

1. headspace becomes dreamy, without noticing it, kinda delirious/amnesious (like +40mg Zolpidem highs)
2. Suddenly I find myself on the floor, with table objects (laptop, speakers, etc) on the floor with me
3. it feels like a delirious and amnesious dream, I keep staring and stay in that position, without ever noticing or questioning why the hell I'm in this unusual body-pose on the floor and all the objects of table are on the ground???
4. after what I "assume" to be 30mins, I finally begin to notice and question my environment and position, and stand up.
5. I remember nothing about why I was on the floor, and I can only "assume" a seizure has happened if there were no eye-witness to confirm.
 
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