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Regional Pills/MD(M)A Discussion V. I don't understand this chemical waffle

I know. I started it. And I ended up convincing EVAD, through the sheer weight of those I attracted here at the time all saying the same thing. MDMA isn't MDMA isn't MDMA.

I remember thinking you were an old fart who just couldn't get good drugs anymore. Now I've become one too and realised you were right all along.

SmokingAnus said:
10 grams of MDMA that was actually good for life

Don't think we'll see legally regulated MDMA available in our life time? Might as well just kill ourselves now...
 
I know I remember thinking the same about SHM and MDMAhead. Wish I could personally apologise to MDMAhead now. Haha.

No but who cares fug, there is stuff made from the reduction of safrole online from several sources dutch and uk. Just buy enough of that you have enough for 500mg every 3 months til your in your 80's %)
 
There's absolutely no way a clogg wearing Dutchie vendor would lie though....

(and being a clogg wearing Dutchie myself makes that ok to say :))

That's true, with MDMA being illegal and therefore unregulated, we have no way of verifying how it was actually produced other than assuming the vendors word :(
 
I've got said 99% stuff made from PMK here. I'll post a pic, looks like glass. Do I think it is 99%? No. And will it be as good as the safrole stuff? I doubt it.

I'll be sending for lab tests. and I'll post the results here.

Here's a pic

http://anony.ws/i/2016/05/16/imageaddb8.jpg
 
I've got said 99% stuff made from PMK here. I'll post a pic, looks like glass. Do I think it is 99%? No. And will it be as good as the safrole stuff? I doubt it.

I'll be sending for lab tests. and I'll post the results here.

Don't forget to picture the Marquis result :)
 
Yes mate correct! I'm going to be ordering some more MDMA for a test off, and will post pics of a few batches at once. One from PMK, one from safrole and one that is the glycidate shite. For people to see for themselves :)
 
Noticed some British made apparently safrole based mdma up for sale. Might be worth a punt
 
Just been offered blue Louis vuittons any info on these in the manc area?
 
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I've tried the British made safrole mdma and is say it's pretty good. I haven't been taking mdma for a long time so I have no comparison of 90s mdma but I enjoyed it. Also got some mda from Canada to mix with it but never did. Waiting on some oreo pills to try my mda out.
 
Just been offered blue Louis vuittons any info on these in the manc area?
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Probably a different batch now but I got some end of last year and tested aok.

Ok but not the strongest.
 
Also check out this Marquis reaction from some older pills, these were pressed around 2008 at a guess:

17744.jpg


Certainly different to todays reactions that go to black. Full report here, they seem to have good reviews:

http://www.pillreports.net/index.php?page=display_pill&id=17744
 
I do wish people would stop blaming the glycidate and assuming that the only good MDMA has to be made from safrole. Good MDMA is produced from a standard reductive amination of MD-P2P or PMK oil. This latter chemical has no stereoisomers and therefore will always produce, if standard reductive amination techniques are employed, racemic MDMA.

Safrole isn't the only chemical which produces perfectly good MD-P2P. Piperonal can be converted into MD-P2P just as well. And yes, so can PMK-glycidate.

What seems to be happening, if this theory is even correct, is that manufacturers have found a way to convert PMK-glycidate (which does come in different stereoisomers) straight to MDMA, either by bypassing the manufacture of MD-P2P completely or the MD-P2P being generated so briefly before it is then converted into MDMA (kind of like a "one-pot" type synthesis) that one isomer of the MDMA is favoured because the glycidate precursor used was of a particular isomer to begin with.

All the MDMA manufacturers using glycidate need to do is convert it to MD-P2P/PMK first and then extract and purify it for later use; which is precisely what should happen if MDMA is being made properly from safrole as well. The safrole isn't meant to be in the product. It is just via safrole, good quality MD-P2P/PMK (which is the true immediate precursor for MDMA) can be made.

So in summary, the glycidate isn't the problem; but rather it is the lazy and greedy people using the glycidate to make MDMA in the most low cost and expeditious way possible, at great expense to the quality/desirability of the product.


would love to get this printed onto a t-shirt, nice for wandering around a little festival and folk trying to make sense of it while off there heads =D
 
Got given a light blue / green Heinz stamped rectangular shaped pill recently in a dark bar so didnt take in much detail.

Anyone seen these around? This was London, no sign of them online or in any reports.
 
Had a night out on the Oreos. Consumed 1.5 over 6 hours. Very enjoyable, social chatty and noticeable huge pupil dilation. So much so couldn't get into any after parties which given the states you see is a bit embarrassing
 
Please stay with us, Biscuit, we need some educated input in to what's become a terrible situation.

On a brighter note, I tried some Aussie MDMA on the weekend and it was banging! 2 x 120mg caps (I capped them myself) kept me going for hours. Had all the hallmarks of good MDMA, plenty of euphoria, licking my lips off, eyes rolling around empathy, incredibly social and music sounded ace! havnt felt like that in a long time. Fantastic MDMA

Came as fairly clear small crystals with hardly any smell.

MDMA makes me feel very tired in the days that follow, thats my only gripe
 
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