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Ways to manage addiction without tradition means

stephenphman

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I'm studying to receive my PhD in addiction psychology. When I was 19 I started using heroin and at age 22 I almost went to prison. I decided I needed to stop but found the concept of AA taught in almost all treatment centers to be ridiculous. In the name of harm reduction I won't explain in great detail how I manage my addiction because I fear some people would try and fail. I would love to hear about some other ways people have tried getting sober or managing there addiction without developing negative consequences. Thank you.
 
Moral Reconation Therapy. I went to the only rehab at the time that used this program which is normally to reform the criminal mind. Ive had on/off clean time since but I think it's the best program of all I've experienced and I often think of its concepts. Not sure why it wasnt enough but I think it just wasn't long enough? I went in with a lot of issues, more than my fellow clients it seemed. PM me if you like.
 
99% of people trying to manage an addiction will fail...simple
due to the simple fact it becomes apart of your life, then consumes it

that's my take but....i would love to hear your take on addiction
mainly because you are a user/ex user, most psych BS(no offense) is coming from someone who has never felt the "rush"
as the old saying goes you can't explain "love" to someone who hasn't exp it
 
I think people overcomplicate a very simple choice because it allows their addiction to continue. Of you buy into AA you're either completely sober and a saint, or you're completely fucked and will end up dead or in jail. The simple truth is that it is a choice. A decision that we make. And just like any choice we have to want the outcome of the choice enough to make it reality. Once I almost lost my son and my freedom to addiction, I simply chose not to use drugs as much as I had. Is it hard? Yes at times it's still hard but ultimately I know that my future lies in my own hands. I control if the needle goes in today, or if I decide to instead be a good husband and father. Yes it seems impossible in the beginning but trust me, it gets so much easier it just becomes part of life. And now I'm happier than I ever have been.
 
My take on how addiction works is that it fills a void in our mind (or soulf if you prefer) and after it is filled with some kind of endogenous chemical use you then have a new part in your life which becomes as essential as basic needs such as getting food and water, having shelter and having some human contacts and when you run out of your drug you in the worst try to get drugs as bad that even hampers those other aspects as you use your food and water money to drugs use your human contacts to cheat out money for drugs and such.

Drugs take over those basic needs.

Now we come to this must important thing and it is that which was the void being filled at first. I am atheistic but I still believe that his void was meant for spirituality and for the meaning of life for that individual. Addicts often say that before when they started their use they felt like they had no purpose or meaning of life. When they first use drugs part of that void is filled with the high feelings they get from their drug use.

This is backed by the fact that NA/AA and their 12 step program contains sprituality and belief in god as a coping mechanism. So those who go through those 12 step programs will get their initial void now being filled with drugs switched to have spirituality instead and can stay sober if they also get a meaning for their life (that spirituality can be it itself).

As an atheist I think those 12step programs wont suit me as I am incapable to harvest those god entities to that void so I must fill it with other kind of spirituality and especially a big meaningful reason for living.

Also most non psychotic true believers of any religion seem never to have problems with drugs and they come to their life during the times when they are feeling like having lost their beliefs or when they are in doubt.

During therepy there should be more ways to add spiritual enlightment one's void in order to get drugs out of there and also more looking for reasons to life. They are already finding reasons to stop using drugs so why not just call them as reasons to life. I am quite sure that with enough reason even an atheist not willing to have any sprituality in his life can find enough reasons for life to fill that void too.

I Discussed about this with my girlfriend [MENTION=407485]Artemisia[/MENTION] during last night for a long time and she said I should build an theory out of my thinking and then incorporate it into the group support that I am organizing here. We wanted to get into support group which isn't alleviated to NA/AA 12 step programs and as we didn't have any here we organized our own here.

MODS! I guess this is more suited to Sober Living or THe Dark Side
 
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It seems that you have that reason for live and it is your family and that you still might want to get more reasons or some spiritual content to that void if you wan't to get totally clean. Either way not being full blown addict is fine enough for most people if they wont downspiral after using. If you have reasoned that with your current use you can still pursue that meaning of life of yours and use drugs then it should be okay unless you want total soberity for yourself.
 
MrRoot have you ever observed SMARF recovery? It is scientific. There's also MRT (moral Reconation therapy) which fills the void with detailed goals as part of its step program, also non religious based. Both I have been to and really believe in but something in my life still gets in the way. I think it would be worth looking into. Your concept could branch off of those. The longest clean time I have was in a Christian recovery home that I helped build but while fulfilling, I was unhappy and felt like it wasn't me, just me talents.
 
Thanks Raysu. I'll definately start looking into those and hopefully if they suit me I'll try to get some education for one of them.
 
I am actually working on a new recovery protocol based on the science of addiction, and recovering mental health. I will be posting the project bones in SL hopefully early next week.
 
Raysu, Moral Reconation Therapy- I hadn't heard of this one but I'm going to check it out.
Will be following this thread, great posts! Moving to Sober Living. :)
 
My own approach to recovering from heroin addiction...

My basic mantra is "use less dope less often." The goals of purity and complete abstinence peddled by 12-step groups seem badly suited to my own experience with addiction. So instead of all-or-nothing thinking, I simply try to stay as clean as I can. If I slip, I brush myself off and keep going.

More practically, I am on suboxone maintenance therapy, as well as intensive individual work with a psychiatrist. The goal with the subs is to stabilize my life enough to make working with the shrink viable.

It's not a perfect arrangement. But it's the best I've found for myself.
 
My basic mantra is "use less dope less often." The goals of purity and complete abstinence peddled by 12-step groups seem badly suited to my own experience with addiction. So instead of all-or-nothing thinking, I simply try to stay as clean as I can. If I slip, I brush myself off and keep going.

Fucking love it dude, so important. It is so cool how compassionate you are with yourself.
 
I have tried the traditional routes, and while they helped me learn a lot about addiction, no one method was a cure all for my affliction. What worked for me was identifying the root cause of my addiction, what was motivating me to use, and address that issue directly.

For years I thought I suffer major depression, axiety, and OCD. In reality the depression and axiety were symptoms of the OCD, so the OCD was ground zero for me. While I had tried various psych meds such as antidepressants and benzodiazapines (which only served to amplify my addictions), none of them touched the root issue - OCD. I learned everything I could about OCD and compiled a list of treatments, excluding nothing. I researched each one, and decided to give Cognitive Behavioural Therapy a valid chance, as I had been on some medications previously for OCD and they did nothing in the long term, and the side effects we not sustainable. It took about four years of practicing CBT and it has been a life altering experience. While the OCD still exists, it is manageable and I recognize triggers and be aware when I am feeding it, and modify my behaviour or reactions to it.

Being able to manage the OCD has allowed me to manage the addictions, which in reality were also a symptom of the OCD. I have been clean of benzodiazapines for six years and clean from alcohol for two years, and no longer have the drive to be intoxicated or the desire to alter my consciousness. I don't struggle with cravings as (knock on wood) I no longer get them.

However, in the past when I would get sober by utilizing traditional methods, I would struggle with cravings and invasive obsessive thoughts about using. The traditional methods are problematic as they either don't empower the addict to be proactive in addressing the addiction or they completely dismiss the idea that there is in fact a root issue that is precipitating the addiction the requires resolution. 12 step programs focus on a sense of community and installs the belief that addiction is an inherent component of the addict, that it is not within the addict's ability to have any control over the addiction, which is false imo. Addiction is a symptom of a larger issue, and dismissing the existence of a larger issue keeps the addict trapped in a perpetual state of early recovery, and transfers the addict's identity to that of simply being an addict. It removes the possibility of a true recovery for them, and keeps them from progressing forward beyond the addiction.

Alternatively, just throwing medication at the addict without mindful practice and therapy is equally as damaging to the addict, as the symptoms are being treated but the root cause is not being addressed. Most psych meds work great in the short term, but they are habit forming and tolerance building as well, and are not a sustainable solution. While I do believe that certain conditions require long term medication (bipolar, schizophrenia), I believe that mindful therapy needs to be incorporerated into treatment as its both empowering to the addict to be proactive in their recovery. Simply medicating an addict allows them to continue to play a passive role in recover, and that passiveness prevents them from progressing forward and moving beyond addiction.

I hope this makes sense - sorry it's so long - kind of got on a few tangents and was also multitasking while writing this. Kudos on your doctorate! I need to figure out what I want to be when I grow up and start working on an advanced degree lol.
 
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^Great post and it goes along with what I did as Moral Reconation Therapy (MRT) was derived from CBT. Initially it was implemented in the prison system as a step program to get criminal mind reformation so upon release they would make better choices. The rehab I first went to used it because of the similarities between the criminal mind and the addicted mind (poor judgement, theft, fraud, high risk behavior, etc.). They have the lowest recidivism rate now I believe because of it. Oh and the other meetings at SMART (not SMARF) Recovery. They too are CBT affiliated. I responded best because I was very anti-religious at the time. After relapsing I gave it a shot at Christian recovery home and it kept me clean the longest....until the pastors stabbed me in the back worse than anyone I've ever worked with or known personally. Now I'm back to square one with a special reserve of bitterness for people like that.
 
i think the narrative we use when talking about drug addiction and alcoholism isnt very helpful or inspiring and i think this sets people up to fail.

its not that its not easy to stop but it is simple in a lot of ways.
being told through the media and esp through the rehab/addiction specialist who make tons of money how its impossible to stop on your own or without continued therapy or treatment perpetuates people feeling and acting helpless.

a lot of people stop using on their own, grow out of addiction and never seek treatment. its those who get stuck in the merry go round cycle whos stories serve an industry which exploits addicts and their families.

obviously theres a lot more to it but i do think this is a key part in why once inside that system so many people fail.
 
Once, again, this is why I love you, withlove. How very insightful of you! You handle is super fitting ;)

thanks [MENTION=174794]toothpastedog[/MENTION] ... though i gotta admit, the warm fuzzy exterior is a ruse. i'm pretty awful to myself most of the time. nevertheless, that IS my mantra!


Yeah, well, I would still hug you. You're like a cotton plant: outside it's all dark, dirty, prickly and nasty, but deep inside its pods it is all warm, light, soft and fuzzy. Kinda like us human beings . . . Now how is that for a quote? Drum roll. . . Blame it on the DXM :p %)
 
That is exactly why I am developing the new protocol [MENTION=400936]withlove[/MENTION]. It is really meant to enhance and create a forum that is open and honest in order for people to share ideas. I tried twelve steps, I tried smart, I tried ORT...none of these things worked. It was not until I took the power back and began really seeking my own answers that I was able to get sober.

I just could not come to grips with the diatribe about spirituality. It is a health problem. The next time the lord cures a disease let me know. I will not hold my breath, rather I will look towards science for less "mystical" answers.
 
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