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Regional Pills/MD(M)A Discussion V. I don't understand this chemical waffle

Yeah anyone who's interested in the MD scene in the 90s (especially that revolving around Manumission in ibiza) would love it..

So much for him going straight though...without giving too much away He gets into some right scrapes and was lucky to escape without being topped...

For the price of a couple of drinks it's well worth a read...
 
I've just bought the Mr Smiley book after englandgz and boa (or whoever it was) recommendations.

I've read the book of dope stories, wasn't really a fan. I've read a bit of Mrs Nice, which when you saw how it all effected people around him kind of made him seem quite selfish. You have to respect the level he was able to operate at for so long though, not 1 in a million people are cut out for that.

I'm more interested to read this last book as I imagine it's going to be more truthful than the rest. Because he knew he was dying. I enjoy reading about the pills/party scene and how it develops too, so this should be right up my street! :)
 
I bought it last Friday and read it at the weekend...

Its not as good as mr nice but still worth reading..especially if you like the MD scene.

You see how connected the Brinx Matt murders, Pat Tate killing, etc. were to the whole E scene...

He was in over his head with this one though...which he freely admits.
 
I've been doing pills since 2003, and I do think they've changed. And there is evidence to support that. The change in precursor, method, and as a result marquis reaction. But most of all, it is known PMK-Glycidate can be stereospecific, ie the precursor is only made up of one isomer, and yields and end product that way. If it's made up of a different mix of isomers then obviously the effects will be different. Much like racemic ketamine vs S isomer. I dont see how anyone who knows what they are talking about could say that a drug made up of a differnet mix of isomers wouldnt have a different effect? Each isomer has a completely different profile of effects, and a different mix of isomers will lead to different effects.
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Perfectly put and I agree with it 100%.
 
http://www.ecstasy.org/testing/

Some results I've not found before. Only seen ones circa 98. Some good reminiscing for us old boys and interestingly (rolling eyes face plant) Sprout was right to highlight some many moons ago MDEA was rife. Some of those pills I could well of done and never realised!
 
They really were better long ago though. The science behind it all has been posted in this thread.

Just makes me wish I'd been born sooner. In the 70's or something. I can see why older people resent the scene these days. If I was born in an era when the drugs were better quality, the police and government knew less, and the music scene was so much more meaningful than a lot of it now is, I'm sure I'd feel the same.

Now you have EDM, many pills with no empathy and a lot of the younger mob in the club are on a combination of alphabet soup type RC's.
 
II don't really understand the science behind it and I still "feel the plur" with modern mdma just like I ever did. Just because that is my experience doesn't mean I'm going to doubt anyone who says it's not what it used to be. I'm sure I read a post somewhere the other day that suggested that genetics could leave some people less sensitive to the new synth than others, is that possible?
 
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II don't really understand the science behind it and I still "feel the plur" with modern mdma just like I ever did. Just because that is my experience doesn't mean I'm going to doubt anyone who says it's not what it used to be. I'm sure I read a post somewhere the other day that suggested that genetics could leave some people less sensitive to the new synth than others, is that possible?
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That was my post, I've no hard evidence to support this specifically for MDMA, but based on the fact that its been confirmed for other (legal) drugs, logic would dictate the same could apply for MDMA, since we aren't all carbon copies of each other.
 
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Any idea what these red legos are?
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A mate in the Manchester ambulance service told me about this death and said it was PMA/PMMA related.

I can't find any written reports of that to quote it was just word of mouth.

Either way probably something to avoid....especially since they are so many other presses around.
 
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It's always PMMA related.

I spoke to a guy who knew producers before on here. I wont name him but he told me what happens is they do a test run, which yields PMMA, as its similar process to MDMA and that way they know the MDMA synth will work. Instead of throwing the test run in the bin, some of them press it.
 
I don't doubt that but surely doing that would guaranty no-one would buy them once people discovered that some contained PMMA?

Unless of course they released the bad batch onto the market last and then never used that press again?.......
 
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