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What is the most addictive substance?

Opiates for sure, oxy Espicially. Benzo withdrawal sucks as well.
 
DXM. yes, cough syrup. the thing about DXM is that if i do it right, like less than 150mg/day it really makes me be a better person. more functional, more capable. but it's very demanding - i can't fuck up. i have to eat healthy and stay off all drugs but pot and psychedelics. when i do that, my life is so good - i live in bliss. i live in that magic dissociative world, everything has meaning, it's not that i'm a superbeing, but that i have the tao, i move through the empty spaces of the world and leave no trace. what i need, comes to me, and all i have to do is just do the right thing, all the time. in any situation, where there is a choice, i do the right thing because its' the right thing to do. then it's like reality itself just takes care of me - i want for nothing. if i do fuckup and take a hard drug, i get off on it, super, but it feel wrong and i don't crave it after.

i can keep this up for months. but in the end, its the loneliness that destroys me. i have all that bliss, and no one to share it with, 'cause i'm off in lala land. and the sorrow when you're like that, it cuts you. sorrow is the other side of bliss, it lives in the same place. i can't handle it, i fuck up, get high to make myself not lonely, then my bliss dies.
 
I haven't done dxm on the daily but I feel that post hardcore bro. DXM is not universally bad stuff at all.
 
thanks, man - do you know what i mean by doing right and letting the world take care of you? does that happen to other people?
 
I get the same feeling on those doses of dxm where tasks becomes choices like you said and things feel like they don't take effort anymore as long as we just do what we know to be right

Holy run on there
 
I can't remember if I've replied to this thread before. If I did, I'm about to again. :p
For me the most addictive drugs are opiates, benzos and.. Weed. It's the combination of these 3 drugs that I am very addicted to..

Whenever I smoke weed without any opiates or benzos in my system, it makes me anxious as fuck. I love a 'good' weed high so much, I actually take benzos (and opiates, but I don't need a reason for taking opies) so I can smoke weed without freaking out.

So yeah, basically I'd take another, much heavier drug just so I can smoke weed and enjoy it..
Yeah, cannabis is pretty addictive too IMO/E. I think it's far more addictive than most people like to admit.
 
SirTophamHat said:
I get the same feeling on those doses of dxm where tasks becomes choices like you said and things feel like they don't take effort anymore as long as we just do what we know to be right

Holy run on there
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so you do the karma thing on DXM too? like, you help people and lah - what you need just comes to you. instant karma?

clear out your messages so we can talk
 
I've never tried dxm but I've tried ketamine and i usually feel pretty much the opposite of what tantric described.
I feel like nothing matters anymore, that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a matter of perspective, but i definitely don't feel any true joy like i do on traditional psychedelics.

Crazy how the little differences in our neurochemistry affect the way we experience drugs/life.

OT: the most habit forming for me personally are: cannabis, opiates, nicotine and benzos.
 
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tantric said:
so you do the karma thing on DXM too? like, you help people and lah - what you need just comes to you. instant karma?

clear out your messages so we can talk
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I never really thought of it as a karmic thing, I hope that doesn't disappoint you. I feel like the detachment lends itself to less procrastination and inward thinking, which I have had a problem with for a long time. The focus of thought shifting externally really helps me do more and feel less self conscious about my interactions with the world as a whole. I haven't taken dxm often lately at all, last fall I was taking 30-75mg regularly to combine with other sleep drugs but that's it. Weirdly I don't find it addictive, not nearly as much as some other drugs.

I would love to be part of one of those AD ketamine trials.

Yesterday night I had a brief period of intense motivation even though I had only taken weed. It didn't last long and quickly transitioned into boredom. A flash of light in the dark I guess. It makes me think that my biggest addiction may simply be altered states of mind. It would explain my obsession with exercise earlier in life and my largely nondiscriminatory attitude toward drugs.
 
SirTophamHat said:
Yesterday night I had a brief period of intense motivation even though I had only taken weed. It didn't last long and quickly transitioned into boredom. A flash of light in the dark I guess. It makes me think that my biggest addiction may simply be altered states of mind. It would explain my obsession with exercise earlier in life and my largely nondiscriminatory attitude toward drugs.
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Interesting.
 
I thought Tramadol was quite mild actually. Well maybe that was my experience only.
 
Meth is my DOC. gonna do my best to keep control of it. I've been known to have an addictive personality. But I'm learning by trial and error. Ugh! Any pointers? I don't want to stop but I do want to remain in control.
 
Erikmen said:
I thought Tramadol was quite mild actually. Well maybe that was my experience only.
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LOL no! They're amazing. Gets me high as a kite and gives me a relaxed high for over 20 hours mate. That's why I'm so addicted.
 
Everyone is different. I wish I'd have problems with Tramadol.
It's the only painkiller a naive young person may receive in hospital/ER so I was told.

My daughter never had taken more than a tylenol and that's what was prescribed to her when she needed something stronger for pain. Depending on where you live this is also the only allowed medication for those who have problems with opiate addiction.

I suppose it all depends on the dose or how people respond to different drugs.
I've literally thrown away boxes of prescribed generic Tramadol.
 
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Erikmen said:
Everyone is different. I wish I'd have problems with Tramadol.
It's the only painkiller a naive young person may receive in hospital/ER so I was told.

My daughter never had taken more than a tylenol and that's what was prescribed to her when she needed something stronger for pain. Depending on where you live this is also the only allowed medication for those who have problems with opiate addiction.

I suppose it all depends on the dose or how people respond to different drugs.
I've literally thrown away boxes of prescribed generic Tramadol.
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Honestly, tramadol is WAY under rated. It's much better than oxycodone and codeine combined.

250 mg will get me as high as a kite.. you literally wasted a good drug by throwing away those boxes.
 
forestman4 said:
Honestly, tramadol is WAY under rated. It's much better than oxycodone and codeine combined.

250 mg will get me as high as a kite.. you literally wasted a good drug by throwing away those boxes.
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Nah its like a tenth the strength of morphine that blows cuz.
Plus tons more trammy in the world.
 
Tram is weak and also a drug that some people are really good at metabolizing while most people don't get much at all from it. One of my best nights was taking 600mg and smoking spliffs. It's not a hard drug though, and not that much different in strength from codeine.
 
I've been on prescription Tramadol for years (in addition to codeine) and taking 500mg Tram & 300mg codeine doesn't even touch me any more. However, I've known people who can't stand up properly after taking a tenth of that and experience some great hallucinations to boot! - Some folk have all the luck :)
I guess it really does depend on our individual body make-up (and state of being).
 
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