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What is rolling like after the 'first few' experiences?

Thewhitenugget

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Ok, so I'm fairly new to rolling, I've done it 3 times spaced out between 2 and 3 months and every time was amazing.

I've read everywhere that you can never reach the levels of the 'first few' times. This makes really sad to think about (notably, it doesn't seem to be the same as 'losing the magic'), and I kind of want to know how it feels after. Couple of questions:

1. What changes about the experience?

2. Are you constantly thinking 'this isn't as good as before' when you're on it?

I guess if I think about it, my first experience was the 'best' - at a festival with old friends, amazing music, new experience etc. But the subsequent rolls, although I knew what was coming, were still superb. I HOPE that this is what people mean about 'first few times' being the best - that they were extra good, but that doesn't mean you can't have a ridiculously good time in the future as long as you're not abusing it. But maybe because it's not something I'm doing THAT often I tend to analyse the experience more, and that could be an annoyance if I don't find it as good.

Would love to hear what people think!
 
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If you practice good HR, take appropriate doses, and keep your rolls spaced at least three months apart, nothing will change. Each roll will be like the first time.
 
What changes is the way you perceive it's effects, it can be an up or down, but not any more or less. which means that if you really do find this interesting enough to move in than you most likely won't find the experience any less enjoyable with or without the sensation it brings.
Generally I think "This is not as good as it was" and what I know is that you feel more honest about everything
 
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I think it depends on the user. Like Clocktower said (since I remember discussing this with some posters a few months ago who provided solid information on why/how the "magic" can be regained, at least for some people), some people keep it but I think some do not. Now, I know what everyone's thinking, but I'm going to flat out say that I'm NOT an outlier, especially from my days as a hardcore roller; it's a lot more common than people think. I've even met a girl who is known to have one of the best lightshow skills around my area, and she admitted dropping mdma everyday for I don't know how long exactly, but not simply like weeks or something. From the few times I met her, she seems completely fine and obviously fully functional too (not a surprise). I'm just probably the only recent knucklehead that readily admits it on a HR forum. She isn't the only example either, but being a mod here, I simply won't go into much more detail like I would have when I was BLer (and I could go all out, heh, you guys are lucky to have that freedom). Simply put, I have a lot of personal experience with this, and that's really what I mainly bring to the table here at MED. Although, I'm going to always advise that it is a bad idea, and IF one were to even consider this, make damn sure you react extremely positively to mdma and know how to handle yourself on it.

My first time was absolutely out of this world; nothing ever came close to it. I feel like MDMA should never be underestimated the first time, or the first few initial times. In relation to how un-sober you are, for my first time it was on par with all of these; 8mg DOPr, 150mg miprocin, 2g's of shrooms (first time) + weed and 50mg of aMT. In other words, my first time was on par (albeit in a very different and clearheaded type of way) to hardcore ego-shattering psychedelic experiences. It's just that there isn't any ego loss and the effects are completely different. Nothing is really that distorted, but instead everything is magnified to the extreme. Sounds, colors, brightness, touch, emotions, thoughts and feelings which all exuded an extreme amount of positivity, not unlike how I felt @ Grad Night in high school except x 100. I still remember this, which I think I openly talked about with KOB back in the old 5 mapb thread, but I took a single pill (which should've only been 100mg or less) and was hanging out with some friends at the time, sitting while playing an arcade fighting game (called mvc2). About half an hour after I dropped it, I felt this massive rush and warmth feeling inside, building up massively, and there were some guys playing a racing game, and the car's sound of 'Vrooooom!' was so loud and clear, which basically echoed from one side of my ear to the other. And it literally hit me like a ton of bricks; massive euphoria, sweaty palms, a super strong body high which was felt the most at the back of my head, and nystagmus so bad that I just let go of the joystick and literally could not play anymore (and sadly, I spent many hours playing this game so I'm really good at it). But I felt like an infant in the way that I just wasn't able to play in that condition. So I get up to go outside to smoke a cig, and I noticed that the body buzz was so extreme that it felt awesome just walking in my shoes and feeling my shirt touch my arms, things like that. Even pulling out my cig felt good, and especially smoking it. Right away, I go outside and lit up my cig, and just stared at a tree for idk how long, but it just looked the same as it always does except it was bright, beautiful and more vibrant than I've ever seen; like it was just brimming with life. All of the details could be seen far away, and I didn't care that my friends thought I was super weird staring at it, because that's just what I wanted to do at the time.

Hmm, I could go on, but obviously none of my experiences afterwards ever came close to this level of an effect. Maybe like 75% of this strength at most. I was with a bunch of friends too, especially one of them who had a vast experience with rolling that I trusted at the time, so I felt completely at ease. If the set and setting wasn't that fabulous, then I don't know how I would've reacted to such extreme effects. Even then, I did feel some anxiety because it was so strong and unlike anything I was expecting. I had already taken lsd quite a few times before then, but the effects are almost like polar opposites except for the general euphoria and feeling of knowing that you're not sober. MDMA is extremely empathogenic and with the help of weed, the effects stayed strong even until the next day, when I still had nystagmus, sweaty palms, empathic energy, elevated senses and inability to eat or sleep specifically. It's a slang term, but I still had cotton mouth where it was too difficult to eat anything because of a lack of saliva, even after drinking water.

Anyway, it was a wonderful experience that was never repeated in intensity again. It was after this, and before my splurges, when I started reaping the benefits of MDMA use through its ability to "force" happiness, positive thinking, looking back at traumatic experiences rationally in an "open arms" type of way and believing in myself and "the ways of life." If it wasn't for this, I would've never been able to reach and get through to my mom and dad after everything that happened; and all I did was put myself in their position and thought about how they might have been feeling during that time too, and especially that's how I reached out to my dad the most. (Besides, the timing is NOT a coincidence). Real, genuine empathy which not only had they taught me, but mdma solidified it for me to the point where I know I no longer have any progression to make on this front. Some people IRL could never understand, but given what happened to me personally, this benefit far exceeds anything that I might (most likely not) have gotten negatively from my use.

Edit: So make sure you cherish your first few times and optimize your set and setting! You might be like me where it never happens again. Trust me, I actually used to be sad about that (which is why I used it that way before) but obviously I'm over it now. If people are sensitive, I urge them to take LESS and to never take it alone unless you had prior, good experiences doing that. Otherwise, it might not have positive effects because MDMA can and will amplify your mood and state, whether positive or negative. Trying it with someone who is experienced is really the best option, especially your first few times.
 
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1. The euphoric rush, warmth, empathy and general love isn't as remarkable for me anymore. Now I tend to become depraved and extremely aroused.
The first couple times I could barely keep my eyes open in pure ecstasy. Now, my eyes are practically expanded to the point of insanity.

2. Yes, unfortunately.
 
Wow thank you, amazing to hear about that. I've never really related to that sensory experience you described with your arm touching your shirt, although being tactile is definitely more fun. That's what I think is so great though - it's a different experience for everyone, but that always seems to be more or less 'ideal', you couldn't imagine anything better. But then I suppose because md means different things to different people, in a sense I just have to wait see what happens as I keep dropping. I imagine there will be a point where it doesn't feel quite as amazing any more but realistically it's still going to be worth enjoying whilst I'm still young and free!
 
Wow thank you, amazing to hear about that. I've never really related to that sensory experience you described with your arm touching your shirt, although being tactile is definitely more fun. That's what I think is so great though - it's a different experience for everyone, but that always seems to be more or less 'ideal', you couldn't imagine anything better. But then I suppose because md means different things to different people, in a sense I just have to wait see what happens as I keep dropping. I imagine there will be a point where it doesn't feel quite as amazing any more but realistically it's still going to be worth enjoying whilst I'm still young and free!

Well, I would say the MDMA experience isn't as varied as most other psychedelics, but to say there's no possibility of that would be wrong. It just wouldn't veer too much outside of its known effects profile.

Yeah, later on every single effect becomes muted. For me, it got to the point where not only did I feel normal while on it, absolutely no one could tell I was rolling right in front of them even though they were close to me (in relation and distance). It's not so much that I was trying to hide it, but even when I'm tripping hard (like on +3 experiences) a lot of my friends have told me that I don't seem like I am. I think it's because I'm generally calm and collected all the time, including when I trip (except with +4 experiences).

I do find it comical that I'll be tripping hard, but I guess on the outside I seem emotionless and I don't act much different from when I'm sober, eg. I'll be hallucinating and seeing all this trippy shit with a sober person right there, and most of the time I'll just be like, "meh." I'm probably not describing this well, because I actually do have a lot of fun despite all of this. :)

Another edit: Just in case no one's wondering, I'm like this in person too (most of the time). I'll be hurt/sad/thinking deeply/etc. but I won't show it. I think it throws everyone off, and it's really just in my personality since I keep these things inside. For whatever reason, it works for me, however I may even be the root cause for being misunderstood. It's simply that I choose not to express certain things, and most of the time it's because I see the pointlessness in it. Most of the time, I just dislike the whole "woe is me" scenario, and once again, it's just a personal thing and I actually approve of that in all others. Idk, I guess I'm weird. =l

So this carries over into everything, including tripping.
 
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My findings are fairly standard I think. Moderate over use leading to a tolerance to the wow effects, but the amphetamine-like effects remain. No long term effects after stopping use.

However, I began this over use of MDMA late 2014 after a break of many years, and initially the effects were as good as the first time, way back whenever.
 
Hmm, thanks for the replies. The situation I'm in is there's an event coming up I'm considering dropping for (after a 1 month break) but then there's one in over 2 months from now, all night drum and bass event in London which should be EPIC, and I definitely want to be good for that. After that I've got exams at uni so will take a 3 month break.

SO the 'stupid' option is go for both obviously, and I dose high at like 200mg plus redose so I might get some diminished effects which would make me v sad

Or I just wait until the London event and, most likely, have an amazing night after a 2.5 month break.

The way I see it I might be fine pursuing the stupid option, and still get an awesome night out of this stuff. But equally I might find a diminished 'wow' effect, and then do some more damage when I inevitably take it for the drum n bass night.

Maybe it would be good to know how often my body specifically can take it whilst not building up tolerance.

Meh, I don't intend on taking this stuff past my uni days (maybe for very special occasion) so maybe I should just go for it whilst I'm young.

Really appreciate the feedback though! Hope people don't feel like I'm ignoring their advice
 
Well you left at least a month between your last roll and this one and you're leaving 2 months between this one and the next. That's not so insensible. I wouldn't do 1 months breaks too often, you will probably build up tolerance, but I see no real problem with once. I would dose a bit lower this roll, to adjust a bit for the short break and take your normal dose in two months. 200mg + redose is a high dose yeah, how much do you weigh?
 
Yeah, I don't think it's too risky but more worried about losing some of the intensity, though I would hope if I spaced out my next rolls 2-3 months I could regain it.

I'm 6 ft, weigh about 80kg. Still a high dose I know but actually lower than I would normally do. 3/8ths in a night has been my standard, but I've been taking that spaced out over three hours or so which I know is bad. Hoping that by doing .3 within an hour I'll be at the same level, with a beautiful rushy peak. Hopefully 200mg won't floor me, my friends (experienced) say we've been taking pretty strong stuff so far and I've never felt like it was too much - also I've now got a testing kit for purity so that will help me see where I'm at.
 
After the first few times you start to get more familiar with the drug and its effects. You no longer have quite the same feeling of newness and discovery and you are also more aware that saying goofy stuff can get you into trouble after the roll.
 
Wow, that's really interesting. It's hard to know how much of the experience I attribute to 'newness' really, I guess it's only something I'll realise when it starts disappearing. But that feeling of weightlessness, energy pulsing through your body and the ability to chat shit to anyone you encounter - I just can't see that becoming 'normal' or something I'm used to :)
 
For the first 10 times I was fucking in love with the drug. I wanted to roll forever.

Tenth to probably 50th or 60th (I lost count a long long time ago :( ) It was alright, still felt pretty damn good.

If I dare roll now I'm an emotional wreck for a couple months and the high is incredibly dysphoric and disgusting feeling.

The timeline will differ in the amount of times you've taken it, but it generally goes like this.
 
For the first 10 times I was fucking in love with the drug. I wanted to roll forever.

Tenth to probably 50th or 60th (I lost count a long long time ago :( ) It was alright, still felt pretty damn good.

If I dare roll now I'm an emotional wreck for a couple months and the high is incredibly dysphoric and disgusting feeling.

The timeline will differ in the amount of times you've taken it, but it generally goes like this.
11 years and at least 100 rolls on (probably more, too stoned to make an accurate guess atm) I'm still very much in love. Also did some hardcore abuse along the way. I've lost some of the positive effects without a doubt, it's not magical anymore, just really really fun. Dysphoric and disgusting feeling only happened once, after something seriously fucked up happening during a roll which shook me to my core, spent 3 hours staring at a wall after that, unable to think anything. Sad to hear that it's having such a bad effect on you, I hope you regain that lovely feeling one day. You are sure you are taking MDMA, it's tested?
 
For the first 10 times I was fucking in love with the drug. I wanted to roll forever.

Tenth to probably 50th or 60th (I lost count a long long time ago :( ) It was alright, still felt pretty damn good.

If I dare roll now I'm an emotional wreck for a couple months and the high is incredibly dysphoric and disgusting feeling.

The timeline will differ in the amount of times you've taken it, but it generally goes like this.

I very much feel like I'm in the love stage. I kind of knew it would be like this from the first time I took it actually - it was at a festival over the summer with all my friends from school, and we were in this old school drum and bass tent. Anyway, just as I think I'm peaking (obviously had no idea what to actually think of it as it was my first haha) I hear something mindblowing. The DJ starts playing the song I fell in love with as a teenager, the song I played over and over again whilst lying in bed trying to sleep, the song that defined a few, very very happy months of my teenage years (I'd never heard the song played before - it's really not played in clubs any more). And I just lose my shit, floods and waves of indescribable emotion. Being with my school friends, on this drug, hearing this song, somehow condensed and put in context my teenage years, almost like bringing everything I'd done from the moment I heard that song to present together and wrapping it up in a beautiful memory-package. As the deep, mellow bass cuts in I could feel my body just sort of lift. I danced like a total muppet and all I could think was I WANT THIS TO LAST FOREVER.

And to be honest, I've not stopped thinking that. It doesn't make me sad that I can't feel like that all the time really, but I do think about it an awful lot, although by no means has it got in the way of my social or work life. It's a bit annoying that it's always in the back of my head really, but I understand that I get this nagging feeling precisely BECAUSE the experience is so wonderful. Part of me hopes that I adjust to MDMA a bit more, just so it's not always at the back of my mind. Having such powerful experiences like the one I had is such a weird mix of happiness and longing.

Apologies for the rant - sort of going off topic there!
 
I very much feel like I'm in the love stage. I kind of knew it would be like this from the first time I took it actually - it was at a festival over the summer with all my friends from school, and we were in this old school drum and bass tent. Anyway, just as I think I'm peaking (obviously had no idea what to actually think of it as it was my first haha) I hear something mindblowing. The DJ starts playing the song I fell in love with as a teenager, the song I played over and over again whilst lying in bed trying to sleep, the song that defined a few, very very happy months of my teenage years (I'd never heard the song played before - it's really not played in clubs any more). And I just lose my shit, floods and waves of indescribable emotion. Being with my school friends, on this drug, hearing this song, somehow condensed and put in context my teenage years, almost like bringing everything I'd done from the moment I heard that song to present together and wrapping it up in a beautiful memory-package. As the deep, mellow bass cuts in I could feel my body just sort of lift. I danced like a total muppet and all I could think was I WANT THIS TO LAST FOREVER.

And to be honest, I've not stopped thinking that. It doesn't make me sad that I can't feel like that all the time really, but I do think about it an awful lot, although by no means has it got in the way of my social or work life. It's a bit annoying that it's always in the back of my head really, but I understand that I get this nagging feeling precisely BECAUSE the experience is so wonderful. Part of me hopes that I adjust to MDMA a bit more, just so it's not always at the back of my mind. Having such powerful experiences like the one I had is such a weird mix of happiness and longing.

Apologies for the rant - sort of going off topic there!

The feeling of longing doesn't really go away IME, I still crave the feelings MDMA used to give me. Just enjoy it while you can and be responsible with it and you'll be in the loving it stage for a long time to come :)
 
Update - dropped recently after 1 month break, another out-of-this-world experience. Got to say that BL has enhanced my experience with rolling so much - for the first time I weighed out and tested my stuff, and didn't redose. The comedown was long and floaty, with none of the 'it's all over oh no!' feeling I usually get. So much better than my usual taking bombs throughout the night, as the peak was so distinguishable - this is what md should be like! Thanks for the advice everyone!
 
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