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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread v. 19

Yeah at lower doses buprenorphine metabolite norbuprenorphine is active and acts as a full agonist or it is a full ag. I learned that from various sites on buprenorphine and this site too. I think that could be the case. I am generally easygoing and cool with alot, but I even get pissed at commercials lately! And my parents get on to me about not attending meetings, they think I'm half assing being clean. "You can't just rely on suboxone to keep you off that crap!" Is what they say. Although I like weed, and benzos so I'm not going to go waste my time being a phony fuck at meetings. My parents obviously don't know I do those still, I am 25 but have to lie about Everything I do!

Like I said before meetings are a waste unless you truly want sobriety. I used to go just to keep the parents off my back and people hound you there! I tried to keep my weed smoking to myself and considered being off heroin a big accomplishment for me, but if I went to meetings and kept quiet, people really wanted me to speak or felt I was wasting time. You can't get better if you don't open up they'd say, bitch I don't even want to be here! I'm just doing what the parents say so I don't get kicked out
 
I want to clear a few things up based on my experience. This site has been a valuable tool for me, but I've read some things about suboxone that turn out to be pretty off. A lot of people say to wait like 36 hours before you can feel opiates again. The other day I iv'd maybe 50 mg morphine sulfate about 12 hours after taking 8 mg sub. Immediately felt a pins and needles rush, which was rather unpleasant, but worked. Today I shot 3 bags of good dope about 12 hours after 8 mg sub and felt it. Granted it wasn't nearly as strong as I would like, it had an effect. As far as pw's when taking subs, I take them in the morning, just make sure I'm not still high from day before and never had a problem. I don't think you have to wait a crazy amount of time or wait until you're full on dopesick. Pw's sound awful so still be careful, but I feel like some of the timetables people suggest are exaggerated.
 
I wait about 18hrs. Ive never had pws but have witnessed it and holy shit I want no part... lol. Its all subjective, when to dose bupe. Everybody's different. I know ppl that have gotten pws after waiting 30'some hrs. Depends on so many factors ... like cut, even.

Girl, youre spot on regarding norbup etc. I feel 'best' on lower doses, too. Thank God, cuz my strip/s last way longer.
 
Ah Bono it's 1st time in 3yrs since on subs i feel I need to take half my dose @ night. Maybe it's the low dose but it's like I'm in real mild w/d every morn when I get up. Always took just in a.m tho so idk. Couldn't fall asleep till 5 this morn thinkin maybe today will be the day I try wat every addict tells themselves, that I can do just cple pill or suttin n not dope. Anxiety sets in. Literally trying to fall asleep for hours. this morn a diff story tho, idk wtf I want in life haha

Opie I do agree I Always felt an all or nothing vibe @ meetings & tbh I'm just passed lying about stupid shit for other ppls peace of mind, it doesn't give me one. Ain't tryin to feel worse lol honestly I haven't been to one since I got clean in 2011 & have been able to stay away from DOC so far, everyones diff tho so I'm sure it's real important for some ppl, I just hate hearing how u can't stay sober if u don't go to NA, because for me, in my life, that hasn't been true at all. I did find I.o.p's to b helpful in early recovery but that's it, if I went again or same w/ NA id just be hearing the same shit rehashed over. Talking about drugs sort of gets me wanting to use them too so just not a lot of value in it for me...I hear u on commercials tho! I frantically search for remote when those sad music themed save the animal commercials come on . Love animals more than ppl generally haha I just don't want to b made to feel bad in my own home & feel commercials that play on emotions r fucked.
 
^Polo you are doing great. I think subs keep me up at nite too. I fall asleep but constantly wake up, but for me it's a small price to pay. If you need meds do what you need to do, you have some great time under your belt, and being sober, or clean, is what it means to you, and any day away from h is a good day, I don't think a couple perc for pain is all that bad. We tend to be our worst judges, so be true to yourself. I cut down to 2mg today, but I still keep thinking about making that phone call too, my addict mind is just that. I have 30 days clean today, my version of clean is being on sub maintainence, and I wouldn't have it without sub and bl, thanx bono
 
Sameeee constantly wake up & deff an early riser now as opposed to being able to sleep till 3pm like used to, latest I get up now is like 930 am if I'm lucky. Even today sleep @ 5 up @ 930. I wouldn't have trouble makin the decise if it was for pain fuck I'd love to have that excuse haha. I am my own worst judge as well n would feel super guilty if I used n gives me anxiety just thinkin bout it so helps keep me clean I guess. Glad to hear ur @ 30 day mark man that's really awesome. personally I found the first month the hardest just cuz I was so used to certain lifestyle n brain was only month removed from dope. It gets easier for real after first month or so I basically auto piloted to where I'm @ now. Atleast that's wat it feels like lookin back. Find new routines n things to do n after enough time we become used to them, really are creatures of habit. Hate the word creature like I'm a creature haha such a weird word. When I think of creatures I don't picture them typing on the Interwebs lol
 
Thanks woamotive, I am thoroughly knowledgeable with narcotics. Even at one of my rehab stays, I had the nurses telling me to get into pharmacy or something. Hahahaaaa, good idea ladies! Tell the opiate addict to go into pharmacy. I'm glad you guys are doing well too, bono nice on lowering the dose. Once your body adjusts to it, you'll be thankful. It seems everyone agrees better moods and all over feelings at lower doses. And polo as long as your DOC is not a part of your life anymore, I'd consider that a big deal. But being able not to sleep is a big reason for me to eat benzos or drink if it gets bad enough. Good job on the not going crazy! The creatures will rise above!

Also I agree on being able to get high while on subs. I can dose sub in the AM and eat oxy that night and feel swell. I used to shoot dope thru my sub dose in the same morning too and get high as shit. That was when I stayed at sober living in Chicago on my own and could get dope anytime anywhere...woooo almost died a few times in that places master bathroomsystem. But anyways, 36 hours is just to be safe so you don't waste good drugs by having bupe still in your system. Don't wanna spend all that hard earned money on good drugs and have zero fun with them! What a downer!
 
Maybe not a pharmacist opie but maybe you should look into something in that kind of field. Would hold ur interest right? I used to want to be a pharmacist (obv when I was in active addiction) now I know I'd end up bein fired or arrested prolly lol but know for me personally there really isn't anything that interests me as much as drugs I'd always research shit b4 trying like idk any 12-14 yr olds doing that kind of shit haha. These days I hope to get enough courage to go back to comm college (where my dope habit started, lasted a week n just wasted $) so obv hesitant on it n unfortunately has that negative connection in my brain. If I can though I'd love to try addiction counseling I feel it would b fulfilling n atleast have a lot more to offer than the ones I've encountered. Or chemist or something like that studying drugs the chem make up how it effects us n why just really interests me & wouldn't that be THE coolest to be someone who helped discover alternative maint methods as opposed to the much controversial mdone & subs, I think it would be
 
That would be awesome to develop a maintenance drug! A hybrid of methadone/ bupe. One that feels nice, euphoric, long lasting....wait am I being unreasonable on that? Hahaaa. Yeah, I thought about the counseling therapist route, but I ultimately would love to work in the vet field with dogs!
 
Thought this thread might be the best place to ask as I ran out of my script early and had some subutex I used one about when I started withdrawal. Now the question I have is if I get my script how ling should I wait after the subs to be able to take a fentanyl patch?
Does anyone on this thread use buprenorphine for pain specifically and not just withdrawals?
 
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stefx85 said:
Thought this thread might be the best place to ask as I ran out of my script early and had some subutex I used one about when I started withdrawal. Now the question I have is if I get my script how ling should I wait after the subs to be able to take a fentanyl patch?
Does anyone on this thread use buprenorphine for pain specifically and not just withdrawals?
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U could take it whenev n still feel effects although if ur trying to get max effect u might wana wait it out lil bit. No bupe for pain for me sry
 
Hi all nice to see you doing good polo, and all! I take subs for maintainence, but I do get pain relief on them. Granted nothing like a good Ole oxy would take care of, but for me its okay. That is on low doses, I do remember last year when I was on a higher dose, close to 6mg it caused me pain, in the mornings I literally was stiff, felt ancient, but this went away with decrease in dose. I'm pretty content were I'm at for the time being, 32 days off h and oxy today. Bono
 
I'm on subs for chronic pain,- not my first choice, & something I held back from for an extremely long time, but it works well in high doses for me.

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Yup hit 33 days today. I just got my mail, my insurance company sent me the wrong insu rance card, with wrong doc, omg by the time this gets straightened out I'll be thinking about life insurance lol!! Anyway I have been down on my dose trying make it last because of insurance problems, so past few days taking 1mg and I feel ok. Before I felt like I was withdrawling, don't now, I guess my body is getting adjusted, though I am craving bad, but learning to work through them, I try stay busy. I took 2mg today, but like i said, by mid afternoon I still feel ok, not feeling like I am going thru withdrawl, so maybe a long slow taper is the real key, but I'm like you Polo, without subs I think I will cave and don't want that!!
 
Good day to all ! As known I been posting here, have 34 days today, I am very isolated and live very privately, day to day, but I do luv this site. Anyway yesterday a friend I use to get high with stopped by, she just had a baby early on this month, found out she has hepatitis c. She was asking about suboxone and we talked and talked, she said since she not using all her friends want no part of her company, ha, no surprise there! I told her my phone hasn't rang once since I stopped and that's OK by me. It actually feels good to talk about being clean, for once in my life, I am starting to feel stronger about life in general, just felt like sharing, thanx to suboxone. Bono
 
hey guys, i am trying to taper myself down off 8mg/daily of suboxone. i tried to just go down to 4mg/daily but by afternoon i just couldn't make it and always ended up taking the other 4mg. so i am doing it slower - taking off 1mg daily. did that for 4 days with no problems, so today i took another one off and just took 6mg.

my question is this - obviously i want to save the little 1mg & 2mg squares i'm cutting off the strip - but how should i store them? right now just keeping them in tiny ziplocks i used to get dime bags in. also does anything affect the potency off the cut off pieces? does just cutting them off fuck them up? and will they stick together if they touch each other?

surely im not the only one thinking about this?!
 
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^You bring up a really great point!! I just wrap up my pieces in the open sub package because it's in a foil wrapper and dark and not much air can get in, I have thought about it often, just my 2cents, but I would recommend no light, little air, to keep potency.
 
bonomoopiojo55 said:
^You bring up a really great point!! I just wrap up my pieces in the open sub package because it's in a foil wrapper and dark and not much air can get in, I have thought about it often, just my 2cents, but I would recommend no light, little air, to keep potency.
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the open sub package - of course! duh! i'm dumb.

from now on, i think i'll just cut the piece off, put it back in the sub package, tape it up then write how much mg i put in.

thanks for the common sense check dude!
 
Great job Bono 34 days what what!! Excited for u Lol it feels so good to get past that first month. wish I knew my exact day I didn't care at first but now I think would b kind of cool knowing. But unfortunately the lack of calls n friends is common : /. adjusting to a "normal" life was just as hard for me as not doing drugs. Always had things to do couldn't get everywhere n see everyone in 1 day.Loved it. Didn't have to sit w/ my fucked up self n thoughts everyday lol. Always suttin to do. Now I'm lucky to get out once or twice a week wickid change. Once you don't got shit to offer or wanna better urself find who the real friends are. Lol fucked up.

about the 4mg taper & storage. 4mg @ a time would make me sick everytime. Wouldn't taper more than 1mg @ a time, personally even less but I'm sensitive to w/d it seems. Store my cuts in the sub wrapper too, fold the top throw back in bottle. I've noticed after a few months though that reguardless of them being in a dark space in my bottle, The strips after a few months maybe even a couple months are lighter in color compared to the ones I just open. Can only assume maybe they lose a little potency over time, due to the color change. I try not to let them sit more than a month and rotate them into my daily dose. Will then put new ones in storage for another month or so & take the stored ones.
 
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