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The EADD 3-FPM Megathread

I know, look, I'm really sorry for doing it. I was getting abuse from all angels, felt boxed in, claustrophobic. I've always completely dispised myself so whenI was getting that level abuse I almost lost it so hit self destruct boughts lots 5g n shut everyone. It's like but it was difficult dealing with so hate against me epewhenI hate myself feealready don't neef more.

I'm sincerely sorry if I snapped at anyone, feel better now I've had a break. Thank you to all of you who have given me advice. I do listen, honestly, even if it appears that I aint. I appreciate time n It does meam a lot to me. Sometime I do my own thing it's a defence mechanism. i'm extremely indepemdent person n when I struggle with something I
Feel weak n frustrated n usually don't likr *doing such tasks* with an audience - would prefer to ask help off a trusted friend in private not with everything. I was hinting
Of this when I put "its complicated" so walkwd away because I felt really small, stupid n mortified. It's just bluelight I have always struggled with asking for or accepting in any n don't the negative attention it brings. So please accept my apologies for rudeness n hope you all understand my explanation n know thar I love you akl very much.

Sprouty / other modz I have posted this here as I felt it concerned 3-FPM. However if you
Feel my judgement is wrong please could you move it to Gibz rather than UA it

I don't like to de-rail threads but was not sure whether this should be in Gibz or here as it concerns 3-FPM?

Evey
 
Today I'm going to stick to one or two oral doses I think, try to eat properly etc. I had diclazepam, kratom and beer to level out the bad parts but three days into relatively heavy use I was requiring so much of those. I didn't realise how much of a tolerance I built up, gave someone two normal lines and they were flying all day, and now I think about it at the start I was doing really thin inch long lines
 
Ceres said:
yeah its the multiday binges with any stim that will eventually get the better of you, the sleep deprivation alone, combined with appetite suppression is enough to start sending anyone round the bend.

evey: PV is what landed me in A&E once and detained in psychiatric hospital in a locked ward for a couple of weeks, on 3 seperate occasions. It almost killed me.

This is why I mentioned that even just 20mg in the mornings the odd day over a month was enough to have me sensing the fringes of stimulant psychosis looming on the horizon if I didn't stop. so I have. Not have a go at you this is general advice for everyone reading this thread, because although some people like the stuff, i can tell it absolutely does have the potential to be very damaging indeed.

3fpm seems to have the same mechanism of action as MDPV just not as potent, so I'm sure if anyone takes enough of it they will end up in exactly the same kind of fucked up state I was in after MDPV took over my life.

also 3fpm seems to be a pretty horrible irritant, I imagine probably even oral dosing might save your sinuses but could end up giving you / worsening a stomach ulcer instead.
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Trouble is when I stop talking it I can't seem function (although
It's a few days after last dose of 3-fpm i end completely like i've opiate i keep drifting off to sleep that I end having some. I've felt extremely tired for years n struggle to keep on top of house work cause of it which is one reason I wanted to try stims. I know I'm sounding lazy but I struggle to focus on more than one thing, often fixate on whatever it is n HW gets forgotten (bar pots etc) then I go to tackle it, feel overwhelmed n give up. I don't know why I can only focus on 1 thing but I know i've refused to befriend people over it as was scared they'd find me annoying

Ceresy I'm really sorry that you went theough that - I imagine you were frightened. Not to sound patronising but well done for giving up the stims bar moderate use. Four years? That's impressive. Please atick to it you've done well n are a true inspiration to help others follow suit. Good on yah! Please don't ever go back after
Coming so far. I find it fantastic that you have taken a negative experience n turned it into a positive one (did you say you were talking about the dangers of RCs to medical students?). I love stuff like this n wouldn't it be just ace if we had a "success stories" thread in EADD? Doesn't have to be overcome addiction but maybe overcoming a difficult time-spam erltc
Anyhow I'm going OT so
Just want to say I owe you am apology. The mentioned, a few weeks ago, the possibility of 3-FPM doing similar. Not knowing your sutuation I was angry at you - knowing you went through n were looking out for me I wanr to thank you n sorry for jumping to wrong conclusions (I do that a LOT; it's a fault I need to address

3-FPM: The problem is I plan not to have some n then another voice (not literally) talks me out of it with summit like "yea but you might feel melliw, talk to lots of people n be productive why not have a break tomorrow"

Evey
 
Evey, that sounds a lot like the definition of addiction ..... and I should know, precisely because I have a habit of my own.

3-FPM is going to be banned in the UK in April; but it may become unavailable some time before then -- vendors probably won't restock if they don't think they will be able to shift it in time.

You need to make plans for how you are going to deal with the coming supply interruption; and the sooner, the better.
 
Just got my first lot this morning since October, as my preferred vendor stopped trading before christmas and I used them exclusively for everything apart from my penny acid. Got sent 50 0.25mg f-lams as well for nowt, no explanation! Despite being the dodgiest benzo on the RC market im not whinging as its better than a kick in the face. Either its an incentive to use the company again or the companies just dumping drugs ahead of the ban (f-lam is hardly an expensive commodity compared to its big brother) Im glad I have them tho as I truly believe that after getting completely smashed off them the first time I took them, I never had an effect from them again leading me to believe that they were so strong they permanently blew my tolerance to f-lam (I still get good effect from all the other benzos). Since its been 8 or 9 months since I last tried some at least I can answer whether this unique tolerance is permanent or not.

Im not planning on spending the day smoking phenmet, but I should have a 100mg tester just to assess the quality. But those that use this drug know that single doses are a are as rare as blue moon. So place your bets - can I get away with a test dose or will I just cain the lot as per. Im determined to stick with option 1, but anyone with a brain would be putting their money the other way, so lets see if I can exercise even a small amount of self control....
 
What a pleasant surprise, that has to be the cleanest stuff Ive had since the summer.

Im not having any more tho - its good enough to be savoured and saved (for tomorrow probably)

I apologise in advance for any huge, epically boring posts I'll probably make over the next couple of days

@ Fubar - its looks like a proper sock rocker mate, much better than that glittery shit that was going round last time I bought some. Crystal clear beetle, none of that crusty shite on the tooter or anything
 
BecomingJulie said:
Evey, that sounds a lot like the definition of addiction ..... and I should know, precisely because I have a habit of my own.

3-FPM is going to be banned in the UK in April; but it may become unavailable some time before then -- vendors probably won't restock if they don't think they will be able to shift it in time.

You need to make plans for how you are going to deal with the coming supply interruption; and the sooner, the better.
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Stop over-reacting I'm not addicted. Honestly you sound like Raasy :D

PS: Who's up tonight then? I was told that years ago people used to be up each night stimmed tp fuck n having fun. Why does this not happen now? Everyone is uh so sensible. I'm right gutted. Anyway I've stuff to do if no one is on. I don't want to sleep plenty of time for thay when I'm dead

Evey
 
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Ceres said:
yeah its the multiday binges with any stim that will eventually get the better of you, the sleep deprivation alone, combined with appetite suppression is enough to start sending anyone round the bend.
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This.

Nearly sent myself around the bend a few times. fortunately before that happened, phet seemed to start having the opposite effect on me when i used to hammer it too many days in a row, i'd start to conk out and the session would end. would always manage to get loads of water and some food down me during and after. The sleep dep is a head fuck though. Meph proper fucked me for awhile, even 2 nights in a row on that would ruin me for days
 
Eveleivibe said:
Trouble is when I stop talking it I can't seem function (although
It's a few days after last dose of 3-fpm i end completely like i've opiate i keep drifting off to sleep that I end having some. I've felt extremely tired for years n struggle to keep on top of house work cause of it which is one reason I wanted to try stims. I know I'm sounding lazy but I struggle to focus on more than one thing, often fixate on whatever it is n HW gets forgotten (bar pots etc) then I go to tackle it, feel overwhelmed n give up. I don't know why I can only focus on 1 thing but I know i've refused to befriend people over it as was scared they'd find me annoying

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Hi Evey - i haven't said anything about your use in the thread before because it's your choice and it felt a bit unfair to treat you differently to anyone else - though i did feel a bit concerned for you, and you should know most of the comments i've read giving you advice have come from concern for you because they/we care about you and wouldn't want you to suffer through things that we've got good experience of.

It's absolutely your choice, but my advice (from plenty of experience) is using stimulants in moderation means you get to enjoy the benefits for the long term. If you take it in the regularity you talk about above, it will stop working (or may lead to health/psychological problems).

The tiredness you describe above is the usual physical comedown from binging on this drug, and indicates the recovery period needed to fix your body after the binge - i'd advise not to take more until you stop feeling tired and your mood returns - that's the sign that you're recovered enough - don't succumb to taking more in that bit when you feel tired and demotivated as you'll just be piling more wear on top - this wear will then return at a later time one way or another.

My rule is to always leave at least a week between stimulant sessions (sometimes i'm weak ;)). I find two days after a session i'm tired demotivated and a bit emotional; 2 or 3 days later my mood returns - that feels like the minimum recovery time to me. It helps that i can only really do it on friday and saturday cos work, but that seems like a sensible rule.

IMO this drug is definitely not suitable for continuous dosing - no stimulants are really. If you like it don't overdo it because you'll spoil it for yourself.
 
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Thanks Virtual. Once I've finished this 10g I'll have a break i promise. I'm chillef n mellow at mo. Ive got somr homework done. Hoovered clothes n bedding washed n dried. Bathroom cleaned. I haven't felt this motivated in a long while. I've sorted my finance for the year (providing there's no nasty surprises from the gov. I going to save a little a week in both my credit unionn a/c n ISA. 3-FPM has taken away my conpulsion to spend money. I'm thinking n planning things fot the first time in a long time. It felt good setting up my finances n I'm stopping myself spending things I don't need
I actually am not wanting to dpend money n feel bad when I do. I'm looking at the house; planning making changes - somethimg I've not done in along time

I lacked emergy n motivation for so long. I want to pay my debts off n have made plans to do this. NO I'm not going to CAB - i got myself into this situation it's my responsibility to fix it.

Things are feeling good (although I do have moment where I feel lost m "what the fuck have I done thr last 5 years n want to wail for how depression that feels. On the whole things are getting better n that's thanks to using 3-FPM I sincerely love this stuff stuff.

I disagree that vendors willl stop selling this a few months before. That will be completely idiotic of them- 3-FPM is an incrediblty popular RC n vendors run out of stock practically on a weekly basic. Onky a complete moron would turn their nose at all that money. I assume that a few weeks before ban they'd sell stuff off cheap. That would be the sensible thing to do as ban doesn't start
Until April 16th

......:then I'll become a drunk again jk :D

Evey
 
steewith2ees said:
What a pleasant surprise, that has to be the cleanest stuff Ive had since the summer.

Im not having any more tho - its good enough to be savoured and saved (for tomorrow probably)

I apologise in advance for any huge, epically boring posts I'll probably make over the next couple of days

@ Fubar - its looks like a proper sock rocker mate, much better than that glittery shit that was going round last time I bought some. Crystal clear beetle, none of that crusty shite on the tooter or anything
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Yes Stee, its a good batch alright. I'm guessing they're just knocking it out untouched now in case they end up with a shitload when the ban kicks in. We really need to enjoy it now while we still can. Unfortunately, I've run out of dosh, but the Mrs gets paid tomorrow, so I think a little gentle persuasion is on the cards (tbh, it won't be hard) ;)

Vurtual said:
Hi Evey - i haven't said anything about your use in the thread before because it's your choice and it felt a bit unfair to treat you differently to anyone else - though i did feel a bit concerned for you, and you should know most of the comments i've read giving you advice have come from concern for you because they/we care about you and wouldn't want you to suffer through things that we've got good experience of.

It's absolutely your choice, but my advice (from plenty of experience) is using stimulants in moderation means you get to enjoy the benefits for the long term. If you take it in the regularity you talk about above, it will stop working (or may lead to health/psychological problems).

The tiredness you describe above is the usual physical comedown from binging on this drug, and indicates the recovery period needed to fix your body after the binge - i'd advise not to take more until you stop feeling tired and your mood returns - that's the sign that you're recovered enough - don't succumb to taking more in that bit when you feel tired and demotivated as you'll just be piling more wear on top - this wear will then return at a later time one way or another.

My rule is to always leave at least a week between stimulant sessions (sometimes i'm weak ;)). I find two days after a session i'm tired demotivated and a bit emotional; 2 or 3 days later my mood returns - that feels like the minimum recovery time to me. It helps that i can only really do it on friday and saturday cos work, but that seems like a sensible rule.

IMO this drug is definitely not suitable for continuous dosing - no stimulants are really. If you like it don't overdo it because you'll spoil it for yourself.
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This.

However, although 3fpm is crazily addictive in the midst of a binge, I find the lack of functionality limits my use. I have more self control with this stuff than I do with decent amphetamine, simply because a 3fpm binge renders me incapable of doing anything other than taking more 3fpm (and wanking of course)...
 
ColtDan said:
This.

Nearly sent myself around the bend a few times. fortunately before that happened, phet seemed to start having the opposite effect on me when i used to hammer it too many days in a row, i'd start to conk out and the session would end. would always manage to get loads of water and some food down me during and after. The sleep dep is a head fuck though. Meph proper fucked me for awhile, even 2 nights in a row on that would ruin me for days
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I like how you still use healthy havit during stims. I always remember you saying you drank water n good food. I did notice that, that if you go so long the oppossw happens no matter how much you take I guess it's the body's way of say it last. Sun I went to bed for few hours kip woke up was 3 pm. Wtf? And i slept that night even though I'd taken 3fp I think its amazing how the body does what it needs to do.

I do remember back in 2002 I was abusing caffeine; pro plus mainly with pepsi etc. One day I was tired n no matter how much Imhad (8+ tabs) I just ended up falling anyway in the day; something I'd never done before.

Evey
 
ThatcherNap said:
Today I'm going to stick to one or two oral doses I think, try to eat properly etc.
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Well that didn't quite turn out. Had maybe 4 or 5 lines so far, but I did manage to eat properly. Some of the positives are fading, normally when I pick up my guitar or uke on 3f I end up playing for hours and having the time of my life, today everything just sounded off-key and I couldn't finish three minute songs without being bored. Really should take a break but I've got maybe 3-4g kicking around total, really don't want to flush it because of the money and the fact I'm trying to go teetotal, it's really fun and useful when I'm not a dick about it. Ok, one single oral dose tomorrow and that's it, then nothing for a couple of days. Wish me luck!
 
Once you finish this 10 grams Evey? So after being on it 15 days your going to go another 10 on the trot?

Couldn't you just have a night doing a gram, then try and get a few days sober with sleep, and use it once a week? You do have a child to look after and regardless of the words you type saying you will and you will stop here etc, you've said it all before already.
Your talking about binge using 10 grams now, it's just more and more wreckless.

3-FPM has taken your compulsion to spend on tangible items away. But your spending money on 3-FPM, and dosing compulsively; it's not stopped you acting compulsively, you are just manifesting it in a different way.

You seem to be advocating 3-FPM as some sort of cure for depression. Do you not understand that it's not sustainable? What goes up must come down in the end. All that will happen if you keep this up is you will wind up more depressed than ever when you stop.
 
dopamine/noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors are all terrible ideas as treatments for depression, this is why they aren't prescribed for depression, drugs like (md)PV, phenmentrazine (3fpm today) hark back from the 70's when they thought it was a good idea - then they were all withdrawn from the market because they were triggering psychosis and have high abuse potential.

after 2 years of abusing mdpv heavily, it has taken me years to fully recover from the whole experience, it left me suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and it had taken me to absolute rock bottom. over 4 year later and I'm still trying to get my life back on track.
 
Wow this could be a mephedrone thread from 2010. The stuff seems just as fiendish. The thing is I don't find the high as pleasurable as meph and it certainly feels a lot more poisonous and corrosive. So although I have a few grams of this in my stash I'm not tempted by it at the moment, as it's always left me feeling so bad after a sesh. Last one I has was just after new year and although I had work the next day I was still up doing lines at 4.30am even though I wasn't enjoying it by then. Not touched it since.
Think I'm going to try and keep this and use it capped for nights out. 150mg bombed seems to give a reasonably nice speedy rush.
 
Has anyone noticed that eating reduces the tachycardia and vasoconstriction? Every single time I've managed to eat a full proper meal (like 800kcal+) there's been a significant difference. Just today I was getting worried and hovering around 120bpm, my fingers and knuckles were starting to look red and purple respectively, but a soy mince spaghetti bolognaise took care of the discolouration and put my heart around 100bpm (sorry, no instruments). Does this make sense physiologically? I've tried this a few times and as far as I'm concerned I've ruled out other factors like just time or sitting down
 
Well I stuck to my guns yesterday so today is my 3-fpm day, with about 900mgs to last me through till bed time. Im just in the process of enjoying my first plate with my morning coffee, something I havn't done in months. For starters Friday is one of my main housework days so it will turn that from a chore into something more interesting but, as I forewarned, please forgive me if I make posts on everything and anything. Plus, as well as containing the usual boring anecdotes and the like, watch the size of what are already overlong rambles increase by 25% at a minimum. This batch is the best Ive had in ages - seeing as its this good I might as well get a final pre - ban gram on Monday to put away.

Although Ive never really been into RC's (i only started buying them when then benzodiazepines appeared on the market) I have to say that ive been really impressed with this particular one - even the crapper stuff was still ok and although I always just fiend through the lot whenever I get some, when its gone its simply gone - I find it amazing how despite its propensity for compulsive redosing and its quite lovely 'amphetamine - light' effect, not once have I found myself desperately re - ordering more, and to top it off, for what I consider is a moderately powerful stimulant (very much so at high doses) not once have I had any kind of comedown or hangover from its use. Its relatively short DOA compared to speed means that once its gone, any residual stimulation never seems to last too long and on the odd occasion it does linger its nothing a decent benzo wont chase off in half an hour. AND I CAN FUCKING EAT AS WELL WHILE HIGH?!

I know there could be all sorts of dangers with this relatively mysterious version of phenmentrazine. But I have used it on many occasions over the past year with no ill effects whatsoever, and is easily the best RC currently available, after 1P-LSD of course (with which it mixes with beautifully, giving the penny acid a real MDMA type flavour). I wil add tho that my usage of it hasnt been as extreme as some other folk, so Im sure there would be some sort of payback eventually.

Thanks 3-fpm, you've made what would have been just another rubbish year a little more tolerable and while its probably best in the long run if it packs its bags (for me anyway), it will be sorely missed, as its one of the only quality drugs that has made me feel like a million bucks without leaving me with any mental scarring or addiction.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Unfortunately, I've run out of dosh, but the Mrs gets paid tomorrow, so I think a little gentle persuasion is on the cards (tbh, it won't be hard) ;)
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Jobs a good 'un - I didn't even have to ask her, she offered... :)
 
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