(3-MeO-PCP / ~15 mg) - Inexperienced - Shock and Terror

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

I tried this one afternoon at home. I was warned not to go over 20mg and I realize why. The intensity was overwhelming for about 4 hours. The mental trip is so intense it's difficult to explain. I wrote some notes to try to help me later. Everything seemed so stark and drastic. I wrote, "I feel fragile. Keep trying to think of how to be more successful. Time crunches in and out. Struggle to maintain a sense of security. At any time all I have could be snuffed out."
If reminded of ketamine but only faintly physically and exponentially more mentally. I felt like I was in a crisis. You know when you freak out but it made you feel alive? This was it. Somehow, it was enjoyable if you can believe that.

 

[Dresden]

Did it share with MXE that particular brand of dissociative magic we have all come to know and love?

 

[Solipsis]

3-MeO is more pure as a dissociative imo (yes with stimulation), MXE is still more on the dissociative anaesthetic side slightly towards ketamine.. I guess that is why 3-MeO does not share that much with K physically although I would argue that one of the K isomers (what I knew as R) was a lot more like 3-MeO-PCP but it was debilitating to me mentally, while S embodied that anaesthetic narcosis.

^^ Are those the cliff notes?

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Debilitating is a good word for this. I've not tried mxe so I wouldn't know how that compares. I was apprehensive to try this given how low the recommended dosage is. I have an image that I will thrive under crisis. This put that to the test. Everything you know is in chaos. The mental extremes are so intense it's weirdly understandable how some naked guy would fight 10 cops. You're levels of stress and paranoia are off the charts with this stuff. But when you get through it it's like you beat the world. Everything your mind could throw at you you took and got 2nds.
It's way more intense than 4-meo-pcp IMHO.

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

I'm trying to give the experience the appropriate gravitas. It's not something to be played with. It will make you question everything you hold dear. I'm not entirely clear what makes it enjoyable to be honest. I don't particularly care for disassociatives.

 

[mozaik0000]

I'm not entirely clear what makes it enjoyable to be honest. I don't particularly care for disassociatives.

Well you could say the same thing about any substance if you overdo it the first time: the person that told you not to go over 20mg should have said 10. Also, be sure that these effects not typical of 3meopcp: every disso has the potential to traumatize you in high doses. The word "shocking" then takes on a new proportion...

 

[dopamimetic]

Even 5mg's of 3-MeO can be very strong for some people. 20mg's are definitely far too much for a starting dose.

It has great potential, it's the most stimulating and hypomania-inducing one probably out off the arylcyclohexylamines with the PCEs (MXE and 2'-OxO) being the second ones, they aren't manic but positive. Ketamine is kinda neutral for me.

There's the theory that the MeO gets metabolized into HO and these are mu agonists. With MXE it's definitely the case, with 3-MeO the dosage might be too low, don't know.

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

, be sure that these effects not typical of 3meopcp.

What do you mean by this? You're saying this is not people's usual experience?
I tried a variety of doses subsequent to that one, eventually going through a 1/4 gram in a week. It seemed to be varying levels of the same.

I really enjoy minimalist backpacking and fending for myself in places like the jungle. I couldn't explain easily what makes that enjoyable either, but I love it. I was trying to make a comparison. There's high stress situations that I like experiencing because it makes me feel special that I made it through. I'd say this falls in that category.

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Also, to each their own. I've definitely made dosage mistakes in my experimentations. I wouldn't have tried it if I didn't think I could cope.

 

[mozaik0000]

What do you mean by this? You're saying this is not people's usual experience?
I tried a variety of doses subsequent to that one, eventually going through a 1/4 gram in a week. It seemed to be varying levels of the same.

I really enjoy minimalist backpacking and fending for myself in places like the jungle. I couldn't explain easily what makes that enjoyable either, but I love it. I was trying to make a comparison. There's high stress situations that I like experiencing because it makes me feel special that I made it through. I'd say this falls in that category.

Oh, i'm sorry, english isn't my first tongue and i misunderstood you: i thought you were wondering how in the world anyone could enjoy 3meopcp. The title of your topic also made me think you didn't enjoy it whatsoever, when in fact you did in a way.
I also love hardcore hiking, and totally understand the comparison now.

, be sure that these effects not typical of 3meopcp

What i meant was that these traumatizing effects in high doses are not encountered only with 3meo: IME, all the dissos can do this if you push the dose too far up. As you say, you really feel special once you make it through! Specially stupid sometimes, but that's another story!

Sorry again for the misunderstanding

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

No worries. The posting title is a reference to a really bad movie called birdemic.

 

[SONN]

Even 5mg's of 3-MeO can be very strong for some people. 20mg's are definitely far too much for a starting dose.

It has great potential, it's the most stimulating and hypomania-inducing one probably out off the arylcyclohexylamines with the PCEs (MXE and 2'-OxO) being the second ones, they aren't manic but positive. Ketamine is kinda neutral for me.

There's the theory that the MeO gets metabolized into HO and these are mu agonists. With MXE it's definitely the case, with 3-MeO the dosage might be too low, don't know.

I knew there was something about MXE that made it seem like a much "harder" drug than almost any drug i've tried in the sense that it is heavily intoxicating and pleasurable

 

[dopamimetic]

Interesting how differently these dissociatives affect different people ... yeah, initially they feel odd and alien, especially the pure ones (MXE with its opioid component is more mellow, but this depends on your CYP2D6 enzyme activity) but after I got to know them, the dissociatives are just the drug class for me. There's one for every need, we have sedating ones, stimulating ones, intoxicating and clean-headed ones ... and the nature of dissociatives is that you can feel and experience anything you want to on them. This makes them very (mentally) addicting but at the same time there's really no other drug that has such an outstanding effects : price ratio. There is no physical downside, no real comedown and no withdrawal. In retrospective I tend to find most of the other drugs to be really dirty overall ...

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Interesting how differently these dissociatives affect different people ... yeah, initially they feel odd and alien, especially the pure ones (MXE with its opioid component is more mellow, but this depends on your CYP2D6 enzyme activity) but after I got to know them, the dissociatives are just the drug class for me. There's one for every need, we have sedating ones, stimulating ones, intoxicating and clean-headed ones ... and the nature of dissociatives is that you can feel and experience anything you want to on them. This makes them very (mentally) addicting but at the same time there's really no other drug that has such an outstanding effects : price ratio. There is no physical downside, no real comedown and no withdrawal. In retrospective I tend to find most of the other drugs to be really dirty overall ...

I think by their nature though they don't lend themselves to social interaction as well as other drugs. My experiences with 3-meo-pcp could have easily ended in harm to myself, inanimate, objects, or someone else if I didn't have some mental fortitude. In any case I enjoy the connectivity I have with a moderate dose of LSD more than anything else. I take your other points as having some truth to them. However, disassociatives are a large and varied group. Ketamine, for example, has some linger ill effects surely. People do die from abusing that. There are all those videos where some guy crazed on pcp takes on 30 cops.
I'm not sure if your claims can be applied to all people in general.

 

[dopamimetic]

No, it certainly doesn't apply to many of the people - that's why I find them so strange, the reactions to dissociatives are probably even more dependent on the individual than it's the case with psychedelics where most get e.g. the pseudo-hallucinations. But while I got them too with psilocybin, I do really not react well to 5-HT2A agonists (serotonergic psychedelics), they make me feel depressed and to ... sink down inside myself. Can't describe it better, but it's an awful experience.

The dissociatives on the other side, when dosed correctly - way below the hole threshold that is - are superior social lubricants for me. Like I said, I can feel almost anything I want on them.. was some sort of learning process, as one can learn to control the psychedelics, but now it's absolutely amazing. Usually I want to feel more like myself.. more social, extroverted, disinhibited and from time to time it works just great.

Even or especially 3-MeO-PCP (but here it's really about just 2-3mg) is seriously stimulating and hypomania inducing. Would be great for partying probably, just the dosage has to be measured fucking carefully. 5mg or so already send me to a borderline hole state, that's nice too to float around freely to music but it's incapacitating.

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Could you explain it more from what people die from using ketamine (unless you're using it in a bathtub or go out into traffic, that is)?

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Could you explain it more from what people die from using ketamine (unless you're using it in a bathtub or go out into traffic, that is)?

From what I've read, ketamine has anesthetic qualities. So in the case of an overdose, the direct cause of death could be respiratory failure. Loss of consciousness is more likely to happen with an overdose, I believe. So, whatever happens during the time you're out is what'll kill you (i.e. choking on vomit, falling out a window, etcetera).

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_death.shtml

I guess there are cases where prolonged use greatly contributed to an early death as well

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/ketamine-slowly-ruins-your-bladder-and-kills-you-863

 

[dopamimetic]

Oh no, please not this horrible article. It's a real exception and true bullshit.

Meanwhile in reality, outside of ketamine’s cartoon world, Nancy’s body was beginning to disintegrate because she was taking ketamine but rarely eating, exercising or drinking water.

It's not the ketamine but the lifestyle. Especially with the short duration of ketamine combined with its effects on emotions and mood you have to be severely self-destructible not to drink and eat ...

We know that cocaine, MDMA, mephedrone and LSD can end up damaging people and some can become addictive, but it appears none of these drugs has the ability to wreck the body or leave users mentally marooned in the way that ketamine does. Rather than being a window into the soul, for some ketamine has turned into a way of mollifying pain or getting through the day, like heroin and diazepam.

LSD being addictive and damaging? I don't like the classical psychedelics, but well ... and while it's indeed true the dissociatives are good mental and physical pain killers, they do lack much of the downsides from the named drugs. No physical addiction. No real withdrawal. And the change in personality is much more controllable than it is with opioids, I've done both and can compare.

Ketamine is actually pretty safe physically, as the recreational dosages are below of what's used medically to induce anesthesia. It doesn't repress respiration like the opioids, and it doesn't make you vomit either. The danger can come from the environment though, taking a hole dose while in the bath isn't exactly wise.

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Oh no, please not this horrible article. It's a real exception and true bullshit.

It's not the ketamine but the lifestyle. Especially with the short duration of ketamine combined with its effects on emotions and mood you have to be severely self-destructible not to drink and eat ...

LSD being addictive and damaging? I don't like the classical psychedelics, but well ... and while it's indeed true the dissociatives are good mental and physical pain killers, they do lack much of the downsides from the named drugs. No physical addiction. No real withdrawal. And the change in personality is much more controllable than it is with opioids, I've done both and can compare.

Ketamine is actually pretty safe physically, as the recreational dosages are below of what's used medically to induce anesthesia. It doesn't repress respiration like the opioids, and it doesn't make you vomit either. The danger can come from the environment though, taking a hole dose while in the bath isn't exactly wise.

I agree that article about dear Nancy was misinformed but the erowid sources were much less so. It can cause respiratory failure which can kill you. But using it responsibly is frequently done without consequence. To me it's a judgement thing that users have to make for themselves.

 

[Akbar Rabbitowitz]

I've enjoyed 3-meO-PCP for two years with little to no downside.

My preferred dose is 5 to 10mg which is the sweet spot for creativity, functionality, and social empathy.

I dose about once a week and it's really got a special power if you respect what it can do (I.e., not for binges or mania) and use it to improve the lives of others. It has great potential in a therapeutic setting.

I quit dosing over 15mg a while ago, as it can be quite unpredictable and confusing unless the set and setting is absolutely ideal with oversight by a sitter.

 

[ScroogeMcDuck57]

Different strokes for different folks man. Iiiiiiiiiii am everyday people.

Thinking about my experience on it made me think no one else should have access to it. I barely kept it together, I can only imagine someone of a weaker constitution.

How exactly does this improve the lives of others?
I'm not saying it doesn't; I just don't understand how it might.

If 3-meo-pcp was music it would be the dissonant tones in Psycho whenever someone gets stabbed or that sound in Kill Bill before BeatrIix goes murder all over somebody. IMO.