Greetings! Prepping my first test cycle. Need advice.

riddles

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Hello,

This is my first post however, I have been lurking here for a long time. This place seems to have a few good men who know what they are talking about compared to other forums.

My backstory - I started a weight loss journey when I turned 29. I will be 32 very soon. I followed IIFYM, and over the course of a year and a half I lost a stunning 82 pounds from 244 to 162 (I am 5'6"). I did this while lifting and cardio, I have since followed bodybuilding principles. I bulked for approximately 10 months gaining a healthy 30 pounds (192). I began my cut last February and since I had a major surgery which kept out of the gym for eight weeks. I didn't veer off course, I raised my caloric in-take to 200 calories above my maintenance level so my body could heal, this resulted in approximately only a 4 pound gain in weight, which was great, considering I felt weak and fat. I also had another personal matter that took me out of the state for 6 weeks, but I was able to workout daily but I had trouble with macros and calorie in-take, I only gained 2 pounds. Moving on to current day, I am now back on track in terms of progress and I sitting at 178 right now. I can see changes in my body that where never there before and compared to my initial progress photos I look incredibly muscular. I wish I started bodybuilding when I was 21, but I digress. My goal is to get to 170 and reevaluate my diet and progress for my first cycle. So my research as lead me here. And I have been reading post after post in regards to a first cycle.

Recently, I acquired two 250mg/ml vials of test E, I put them away and will not use them until my goals above are met. In planning for it, I would want to figure out the best route in using them. I like how this board promotes “slow and steady.” I obviously have enough to run 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks. Would doing 200mg twice a week for 12 weeks be better or equal in benefits? Also, I seem to like the taper off route, especially since if I use 400mg a week I would have left over gear to do so, if mathematically possible for a proper 12 week cycle however I can deal with doing just the 10 weeks. As for PCT, I am trying to acquire the correct and best PCT, and in the event of something bad happening on cycle I have arimidex on standby. I am looking at a March 1st start to allow me time to rid myself of my lower back fat, which the only battle I have left before I am lean again, in the past this goes at about 172 and below. I really want to go a very slow and steady route, I am not looking to get so huge that it’s obvious (especially in my workplace, which would draw a lot of attention and rumors). But after losing so much weight, everybody is asking me how I did it, etc.. So getting huge very quickly will make everyone suspect. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I also just had all my blood work and test levels done, and everything is in great working order. I also have Taurine and Nettle Root extract in the mail.

To sum this up:

I am looking for a optimal slow and steady cycle of 500mg for 10 weeks or 400mg for 12 weeks of Test E. arimidex on hand in case of emergency and will have nolva and clomid on stand-by as well.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
 
Welcome riddles... And congratulations on the weight loss..

Looking at your planned body weight prior to cycle, and your goals, I was wondering whether 125mg every 3 days might suit you best.. Taken up to 10 weeks then a couple to taper off, inclusive of adex to lower estrogen end of cycle.. + taurine...

As for Tamoxifen/Clomiphene, personally I wouldn't bother with PCT on such a conservative cycle, in saying Tamoxifen might be prudent to have on standby if in the very unlikely occurrence you were to experience gynecomastia...
 
Well first off welcome to bluelight! I used to mod these parts lol.
I like you, I like you alot you have done very very well and seem to have a very good mind frame at this point.
I would go for the 12 weeks at 400mg personally, maybe throw in 20mg dbol for the first 4 weeks to kick things off. Opinions on using dbol will vary here I'm a strong believer of using it but others will say stick to one compound I'll let them explain why. I would only use the nova for gyno if it appears before the ai kicks in to gear.

PCT should consist of clomid 4 weeks of 50mg, no pyramid dosages like is advised on other forums. The consensus on this forum is not to do pct but that's up to you to decide bro.

Good luck and welcome
 
Well first off welcome to bluelight! I used to mod these parts lol.
I like you, I like you alot you have done very very well and seem to have a very good mind frame at this point.
I would go for the 12 weeks at 400mg personally, maybe throw in 20mg dbol for the first 4 weeks to kick things off. Opinions on using dbol will vary here I'm a strong believer of using it but others will say stick to one compound I'll let them explain why. I would only use the nova for gyno if it appears before the ai kicks in to gear.

PCT should consist of clomid 4 weeks of 50mg, no pyramid dosages like is advised on other forums. The consensus on this forum is not to do pct but that's up to you to decide bro.

Good luck and welcome

He's looking for slow steady growth, nothing too sudden to avoid rumours amongst friends and work colleagues.. Plus the inclusion of an oral isn't recommended on a first cycle, as any potential side effects can't then be attributed to one compound, so it leaves you guessing from the start...

I really want to go a very slow and steady route, I am not looking to get so huge that it’s obvious (especially in my workplace, which would draw a lot of attention and rumors). But after losing so much weight, everybody is asking me how I did it, etc.. So getting huge very quickly will make everyone suspect.
 
True gf didn't read that part. I'm not a believer not taking dbol first cycle, because it normally stops just before the test kicks in makes it easy enough to determine what's causing problems. That's juts my opinion though. Neglected the part where he said slow and steady

And saying that 20mg dbol isn't going to cause much problems
 
Thank you both for the warm welcome and taking the time to respond.

GF, (using Guido's guide) would

Week 1-10 350mg/week (Changing the 500mg to 350 mg)

Week 11 100mg/week + Arimidex EOD

Week 12 50mg/week + Arimidex EOD

Be a good start?

Nolys, what is your reasoning for not pyramiding the clomid? Also, do you know what the draw measurement would be with the 250mg/ml? I have been trying to do the math, I think it would .8ml for the 200mg injection? I am considering to research both of these methods with the former making me cringe at the amount of pins a week. Thankfully, I am not afraid of the poke nor am I afraid of needles.
 
Thank you both for the warm welcome and taking the time to respond.

GF, (using Guido's guide) would

Week 1-10 350mg/week (Changing the 500mg to 350 mg)

Week 11 100mg/week + Arimidex EOD

Week 12 50mg/week + Arimidex EOD

Be a good start?

Nolys, what is your reasoning for not pyramiding the clomid? Also, do you know what the draw measurement would be with the 250mg/ml? I have been trying to do the math, I think it would .8ml for the 200mg injection? I am considering to research both of these methods with the former making me cringe at the amount of pins a week. Thankfully, I am not afraid of the poke nor am I afraid of needles.

Hi There.. I suggested 125mg every 3rd day as it would be easier to work out, ie: 0.5ml (if dosed at 250mg/ml)..

Arimidex at EOD might be a bit overkill.. Maybe try every 3rd day 0.5mg, or even 0.25mg E3D...

Clomiphene can be pretty harsh in some people regarding issues with retina, or depression, as discussed your dosage and time on should negate the need for PCT..
Tapering off any drug might be seen as a preferred option as opposed to coming in with a high dose then dropping cold turkey... I believe 25mg clomiphene is regarded as within therapeutic range, as used by endocrinologists when attempting spermatogenesis..

If dosed at 250mg/ml then 0.8ml should work out to be 200mg... 8 X 25 = 200...
 
Hi There.. I suggested 125mg every 3rd day as it would be easier to work out, ie: 0.5ml (if dosed at 250mg/ml)..

I completely misread that statement, it is clear to me now. I think for what I am looking for with this cycle, this might best suit my needs. Thank you.

Clomiphene can be pretty harsh in some people regarding issues with retina, or depression, as discussed your dosage and time on should negate the need for PCT.. Tapering off any drug might be seen as a preferred option as opposed to coming in with a high dose then dropping cold turkey... I believe 25mg clomiphene is regarded as within therapeutic range, as used by endocrinologists when attempting spermatogenesis..

It is apparent I still have much to learn. I will keep at it. In the meantime I will continue to read this board and gain as much knowledge as possible. Hopefully, in the future I can layout my cycle for review. Thank you for your time.
 
Nolys, what is your reasoning for not pyramiding the clomid? Also, do you know what the draw measurement would be with the 250mg/ml? I have been trying to do the math, I think it would .8ml for the 200mg injection? I am considering to research both of these methods with the former making me cringe at the amount of pins a week. Thankfully, I am not afraid of the poke nor am I afraid of needles.

I would probably so 0.7 twice a week that would yield 350mg per week or if you want to make it easier and inject once a week which isn't obviously optimal you could do 1.5ml per week in 1 shot which would leave you with 375mg test per week, this would probably be the easiest dosing protocol, there's nothing wrong with don't it although it could potentially lead to some side effects due to fluctuation of the blood levels. I tried it once and it worked exactly the same, only problem was my back started to break out in spots, the tanning bed fixed them right up didn't worry about it.
If my math us right each. 1 should be 25mg X 15 =375mg.
Some people will say not to inject once a week, in the wake of harm reduction they are correct but it doesn't make much impact in real life testing.
Clomifine citrate or clomid has more nasty sides than the ass themselves, there is no evidence to say that starting high and working down low has any benefit, I tried 150mg for my first day as I'd read it on another forum although this gave me bad shakes and made me feel like a woman and generally dizzy and uneasy. Start with 50mg per day.
I would normally reccomend a taper but if you want to pct that's up to you there is no right and wrong way to pct. Both will work, some better than others and both may have their own side effects or recovery time issues

Each 0.1ml equates to 25mg test
 
Before I wear out my welcome, I have one last question. What are your opinions on HCG for this cycle? Again, so much contradictory information in regards to taking vs not needing it, etc..

GF, are your opinions still the same? Can you elaborate on your views or point me to literature for my reading pleasure? This in regards to your post (http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...cycle-quot?p=12495529&viewfull=1#post12495529)


I did just read CFC's view on the matter, it was very interesting.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...Cycle-quot?p=13051964&viewfull=1#post13051964
 
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I wouldn't worry about hcg. It would further suppress you and make recovery harder. It's not a long or super suppressive cycle so there's really no need.
 
Welcome, and congrats on your progress so far.

Agreed with the above, you don't need HCG on this cycle. Certainly take the taurine though. And stick to the lowest effective dose you can. Personally I'd only give you 250mg on your first cycle or two, and one day I'll convert everyone else to this view as well lol. But for now, 350mg is still a good choice. And you don't need any DBol or kickstart or anything like that. Slow, steady, quality gains should be your (permanent) goal. Good luck, and let us know your final cycle design when you're ready.
 
Thank you everyone for your responses, I will definitely run by you all my first cycle when I am ready to take it. In the meantime, I will be lurking here and continuing reading and studying advice.
 
First cycle? Here's the biggest tip I can give you.
Make sure your gear is legitimate. Pharm grade if you can find it. I did. Don't let gym rats rip you off. Never use an open vial Someone sold you. Always alcohol swap the area. Switch injection spots each pin.

Pro tip, once you've used a large gauge tip to draw the oil, swap back the original (smaller) unused tip. Remain capped and allow some air in the barrel and run hot water over the barrel until the oil is warm... That doesn't mean allow water in the barrel. It means run hot water over a sealed preped syringe.
Why?
Test enth is an oil. So is butter. Try injecting cold butter. Then try injecting melted butter.
Well, don't do either but you get the point I hope.
 
I disagree with the post above on pretty much every point.
You don't have to use pharma grade if you have a reliable source or website. Especially with the price difference between the 2
You don't need to use alcohol swabs according to latest medical advice.
You don't need to and I have never once heated my oil up.
I see what your trying to say but you can't compare oil to butter which is a solid at room temperature.
It should make little to absolutely no difference heating oil up.

I agree never buy an open vial but that's about it
 
Ive heard about the oil heating for a while
As long as your gear isnt shit it doesnt matter...ive had some stuff from mexico that was like motor oil

but normally its not necessary
 
Yeah me too I've heard of it but 99/100 times its useless advice and useless bro science

Occasionally if the room temp is very cold the hormone can crystallize within the vial, placing the vial in warm water or on a radiator can return the hormone back into solution, also it's easier to inject...
 
Yeah gf that's one occasion I would consider doing that, but most rooms are at least 15°c I live in Ireland, with no heating on during winter as I hate forced heat like radiators, my room falls to 5°C regularly and I've never had the need to heat my gear up. If it crystallised then yeah of course but that's hardly nessicery (sp?). How many injects have you did in your life and how many have you heated the oil up for? I've did probably 200 and never heated a vial up
 
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