Heroin Oxy to Heroin. Dosage?

[shadowstryker]

So, I've finally gotten my hands on some heroin and I'm looking to smoke some tonight. Typically I'd take 60mg Oxycodone for the nights I feel like nodding, and I'm aiming to use heroin to get to the same place. Problem is, I can't find anywhere on the internet that says how much stronger heroin is than Oxy that's consistent with other research. I'm seeing anywhere from 1.33x to 2.0x stronger than Oxy, so would it be safe to smoke 30-40mg heroin?

I know the reason there are no converters/calculators out there is because street heroin's purity is near impossible to determine, but I'm not expecting an accurate dosage for my high I'm looking for a maximum dosage so that I don't OD because I have 0 experience with heroin. Also I'm pretty sure I have 85-95% pure so I know it's strong. Also, I've already made up my mind about using, I doubt anything you could say would stop me so (really not trying to sound mean here, just being honest) I wouldn't even try.

All help is appreciated, thanks in advance guys.

 

[hydr0m0rph]

i HIGHLY doubt u have anything close to 95% purity.. anyway.. is it black tar or powder?
smoking is easy to dose.. u will feel it pretty quick. so put like a point on there.. chase it down the foil without missing any smoke.. and wait like 5 mins. if u are all good and want more, then do more.. til u get where u want to be.. ur gonna end up chasing the high and probly takin another hit like every 20-30 mins.. smoking gets real bad like that..

 

[Soulgasm]

If you're smoking it, it's pretty easy to titrate up to comfortable level. Take a few rips then chill for a bit and assess your high-ness. Repeat until satisfied. Be careful dyood.

 

[JM357]

you probably won't get anywhere near the full potency smoking it (especially since this sounds like your first time- some people who are very experienced may get a bit more out of it; try to make sure you catch all the smoke and don't let it float off (burn it slowly)). Personally, I've never gotten very good results from smoking it, but tar is pretty rare on the east coast (I actually got tar for the first time last spring in over a decade of using- I was pretty dissapointed (I cooked and IVed it as at this point I wouldn't bother with other ROAs- but I don't recommend going that route- anyways I did buy into the novelty (my guy was actually selling tar for more b/c it is rare around here and he could prob. cash in on that but he gave me a free sample; only good thing I can say is it has decent legs)). But as others have said, smoking it it is easy to get your dosage. Just take a little, wait, take a little more.

If it isn't tar- I tried smoking the powder in the past (mixing it with very little water, putting it on tinfoil, etc.) and felt it was a huge waste... if you have powder and don't inject things I'd have to pretty highly recommend insulfating it.

 

[shadowstryker]

i HIGHLY doubt u have anything close to 95% purity.. anyway.. is it black tar or powder?
smoking is easy to dose.. u will feel it pretty quick. so put like a point on there.. chase it down the foil without missing any smoke.. and wait like 5 mins. if u are all good and want more, then do more.. til u get where u want to be.. ur gonna end up chasing the high and probly takin another hit like every 20-30 mins.. smoking gets real bad like that..

That's about where the vendor said it's purity lies. Also it's #3 powder, so smoking seems like the way to go since I don't feel snorting it and vinegar would feel too good. I'll also be using a tube so as to not miss any smoke.

 

[shadowstryker]

Also the heroin is powdered, and I'd prefer to snort it, but it's #3 and I was told #3 couldn't be snorted unless I mix it with vinegar or lemon juice or something (neither of which sounds pleasant to snort). You guys are telling me that smoking it is just as good as snorting it though, so what should I do?

 

[JM357]

Also the heroin is powdered, and I'd prefer to snort it, but it's #3 and I was told #3 couldn't be snorted unless I mix it with vinegar or lemon juice or something (neither of which sounds pleasant to snort). You guys are telling me that smoking it is just as good as snorting it though, so what should I do?

I've never tried #3 so I can't speak from experience, but I have heard of people doing so. Here is a thread on it:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/192488-Snorting-Heroin-3

I'm guessing where you got it now (not the specific source but the darknet?) and while I have ordered off the darknet I have never ordered H (b/c I can get it locally and don't have to wait and it is cheaper- I ended up ordering fent on the darknet b/c it is so cheap (at first) but turns BAD very FAST). But from people I have talked to they claim that it really sometimes DOES have that high level of purity (why it seems so expensive compared to on the street); also the source I inquired with before was offering all the way up to multiple kilos- so at that level in the chain it may be possible. So not really sure (how pure is illicit H when first produced before it goes through any hands I wonder?), but to be safe assume it is and start from there. You can always put in more, but it is harder to get it out (and while getting the whole dose at once provides a better feeling, once you KNOW how pure it is (basically how you react to it) then you can do so).

 

[shadowstryker]

I've never tried #3 so I can't speak from experience, but I have heard of people doing so. Here is a thread on it:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/192488-Snorting-Heroin-3

I'm guessing where you got it now (not the specific source but the darknet?) and while I have ordered off the darknet I have never ordered H (b/c I can get it locally and don't have to wait and it is cheaper- I ended up ordering fent on the darknet b/c it is so cheap (at first) but turns BAD very FAST). But from people I have talked to they claim that it really sometimes DOES have that high level of purity (why it seems so expensive compared to on the street); also the source I inquired with before was offering all the way up to multiple kilos- so at that level in the chain it may be possible. So not really sure (how pure is illicit H when first produced before it goes through any hands I wonder?), but to be safe assume it is and start from there. You can always put in more, but it is harder to get it out (and while getting the whole dose at once provides a better feeling, once you KNOW how pure it is (basically how you react to it) then you can do so).

Yup, its from the dn and its purer/cheaper than what I can get locally. The wait does kinda suck though.

 

[JM357]

well, let us know how it goes as far as dosing and estimated purity after you try it (and start small, assume it is that level of purity). If it really is that pure it would in reality be cheaper for me because even though the price by weight is more the price by actual diamorphine would probably be less; and it might be helpful to others (if it really is that pure then others who order from the dn might be very careful with it if they hear it is). I've been trying to figure out the purity of what I got on the street was when using... usually a good shot for me was 1/4 to 1/2 a gram so I'm guessing maybe 20% which would mean 50-100mgs diamorphine which would make sense compared to what I would take in fent, etc.

 

[shadowstryker]

well, let us know how it goes as far as dosing and estimated purity after you try it (and start small, assume it is that level of purity). If it really is that pure it would in reality be cheaper for me because even though the price by weight is more the price by actual diamorphine would probably be less; and it might be helpful to others (if it really is that pure then others who order from the dn might be very careful with it if they hear it is). I've been trying to figure out the purity of what I got on the street was when using... usually a good shot for me was 1/4 to 1/2 a gram so I'm guessing maybe 20% which would mean 50-100mgs diamorphine which would make sense compared to what I would take in fent, etc.

Will do. I'm getting ready to smoke up now, so I'll let you know how it goes if I'm still alive come morning (joking I hope for my own sake). I'm actually really excited to try it out.

 

[shadowstryker]

Wow! I had no idea it'd hit me so fast! I'd say it's definitely pretty pure because I sure am feeling this 30mg!

 

[shadowstryker]

Bit of an update: I ended up smoking probably 2-3x more than the original 30mg, but I was also missing a lot of smoke. I'm pretty sure I've gotten the hang of it now, and wow this is really amazing.

 

[JM357]

Wow! I had no idea it'd hit me so fast! I'd say it's definitely pretty pure because I sure am feeling this 30mg!

That is fairly impressive for smoking as an ROA and in someone who does have experience with opioids

 

[hydr0m0rph]

yeah smoking i think is really under-rated.. its an almost instant high, and it seems to have a quite high BA if done right.. it was my ROA for years and i loved it haha

 

[shadowstryker]

That is fairly impressive for smoking as an ROA and in someone who does have experience with opioids

I've snorted Oxy before, but I usually take it orally. And even snorting it doesn't give that kind of rush, I can only imagine what IVing is like...

 

[shadowstryker]

Only issue I had is, it being my first time using, I didn't quite get as high as I'd wanted to due to fear of ODing. Next time I'll use more, though.

 

[manboychef]

Remember to get a lighter that is adjustable and turn it down. Hold it away from the foil and bring it slowly up to the foil while you hold it flat until it starts producing a very small amount of vapor. Then slowly tilt it. It seems like the reason you are missing is you are tilting it to fast at too high a temperature.

 

[shadowstryker]

I just tried snorting some as well. It didn't dissolve into water so I know it's #3 (like the vendor said), but I read that the mucous in your nose is acidic so you can still snort it, it just isn't as effective. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

 

[shadowstryker]

Remember to get a lighter that is adjustable and turn it down. Hold it away from the foil and bring it slowly up to the foil while you hold it flat until it starts producing a very small amount of vapor. Then slowly tilt it. It seems like the reason you are missing is you are tilting it to fast at too high a temperature.

That's definitely possible, I had a feeling I was heating it too fast. And man, this is not what I expected to be doing with my nights as a kid haha.

 

[manboychef]

Hey man, I was shooting up morphine the summer I was fifteen. I know exactly what you mean. I went from smoking pot and taking acid, to popping prescription pills my dad had...then I found his morphine and rigs and it was all over from there. Also had my first bellringer on a coke IV from his stash (scared the shit out of me)

I'm sure he knew some of his stuff was missing sometimes, but what is he going to say. If he blew my spot up, he would have to blow his own up. A few years ago I really thought back on this and realized that he only had two choices. Blow me and himself in to the missus, which would probably lead to drug rehab for us both, divorce at most...or just sit back and think "I failed at protecting my son from something that is destroying me...I'm a failure as a parent." It took him years to get clean...now he just smokes pot and takes tramadol to manage his hip replacements. It is so weird to see him with the grandkids because he was really not that way with my brother and I. He jokes around and is out in the yard telling them stories...while my childhood was like this: Here is a rule I had to abide by when I visited for the summer from age 5-7; I wasn't allowed to get up and go to the bathroom at night. This led to a lot of nights laying awake in pain just waiting for that first little glimmer of light to fall across my windowsill. Sometimes I would risk going into the bathroom and stealth peeing, but I got caught once and the punishment was pretty bad. I ended up having to get surgery on my bladder, and a hernia in my groin at age six.

Basically I am saying all this because I can tell from your other threads and posts that you are a very smart young man. If you continue to use opiates, especially heroin it changes you. eventually you will hurt those that love you. I can tell you like the rush of smoking and its only a glimmer away from shooting up which becomes a very crazy situation fast. Good luck man, I know your going to make your own decisions, and I am glad you are here asking for safety tips...but I just thought sharing a piece of my story would help you understand what you are getting into.