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24mg of subs (6, 4mg strips) IS IT ENOUGH????

victor you are doing awesome man. You truly are a wonderful friend to this man!

I second the excercise idea. Even if you just go for a little walk it will help him to get some endorphins going. I also noticed that if I walked for a while during withdrawals it made my restless legs a little better.
 
toothpastedog said:
For myself and many others, Seroquel, and any atypical antipsychotic meds, actually makes the withdrawal worse. It can really exacerbate RLS. It's a very potent medication, with a LOT of side effects, and can cause a lot of problems. Just make sure it's absolutely necessary for him to take this if he does, whether now or once he's done kicking. Be very careful in weighing the costs and benefits.

It's pretty rare that it really worth taking, especially without a specific kind of condition it's indicated for. Insomnia, anxiety, these are not very good reasons to take it. There are a lot other much safer medications that work better with fewer side effects than any atypical antipsychotic like Seroquel, Risperdal or Zyprexa.

The Alprazolam/Xanax will not blunt the buprenorphine. Definitely increase that and significantly decrease if not discontinue the Seroquel. Alprazolam will not cause him any problems during acute withdrawal, and if anything it will make it a lot easier on him. It would be better to use clonazepam/Klonopin or daizepam/Valium or even temazepam/Restoril, but work with what you have.

Normally day three to four is the worse, but because he's been taking buprenorphine it shouldn't be so bad since it is in his system now. Even though you don't have much to work with, and this is regardless of how you dose it (whether in a couple bigger doses or many smaller doses I mean), just make sure he continues taking enough buprenorphine to be comfortable. I would think this will be about 4mg per day at the least for now.

If he still has the runs really bad, increase his dose of loperamide/Immodium. There is no downside to that medication right now.

As you should know, he should really really get rid of whatever he found. It will do him no good. If he uses it now, he won't get sick. Just as long as it isn't a huge dose, it won't even affect him much because the buprenorphine won't allow it to properly bind to his opioid receptors. At best it might help with some of the physical or GI side effects of withdrawal. What I'd worry about is if he doesn't take it now, saves it until he stops taking buprenorphine, and once the bupe's out of his system and no longer blocking his opioid receptors he takes whatever he found and gets fucked up. I mean, it wouldn't be the end of the world, but it also is a very bad idea.

One of the hardest things for me to do in acute withdrawal is to get outside and get even a little exercise. Encourage him to go on a walk in the morning and evening, and go out with him if you can because it will make it easier for him. It's amazing how supportive you are. If only I had someone like you in my life last time I kicked!
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I really have to thank you for all the time you have put in to helping my fellow bro. You above all have helped me in so many ways. My friend who I am helping....once saved my life. And for that, I would gladly give my life for his. This is nothing compared to what this man has done for me, I owe him all this, my family owes him, many owe him. When I say he would take a bullet for me...I mean that, literally. Again, he saved my life...and I will do all that I can to help him thru this mess. I honestly didn't think it would be this hard...but I do believe things are slowly getting better.

I really do believe starting him on the Seroquel again was a mistake. When he was first given it, it gave him almost the exact side effects he is feeling right now. So the Sero is not OUT of the plan. Today, he took 1mg of sub. He is still a little restless and has trouble sitting still....but I think that might be because I pulled back on the xanax. Again, a lot of info and warnings I have read about mixing subs and benzos. BUT...since he has been on benzos for 18 years, I'm going to raise his dose back up. And yes...I do have some clonazapam to give him. I have some 2mg wafers and I think it might be best to use the xanax in the am and early PM...than give him the clonopin at night to help him sleep longer. He no longer claims to have the runs...so I'm not sure if I should continue the imodium. Also, I think he has responded well to the low dose of sub....so I'm not all together sure the tagamet is still needed. If there is no real downside to the tagamet, I'll keep him on it if it makes the subs more potent....because like we said, we only have a little bit to work with.

Should I try to encourage him to hold off as long as he can for his next dose of sub? He took 1mg today...and it's day 3. He is holding off rather well right now...still has the Seroquel bad feeling, but that should go away soon as we stopped that....I hope. The extra xanax and clonopin should help relax him a little more. I'm just worried about the end of this...should he taper off the subs as I had originally outlined? I cut 32 pieces of .25mg because I thought I would have to taper him off...so he doesn't get WD from the subs. But am unsure if there will be any WD from the subs, because the doses we worked with were so small....compared to others using 8mg 2X a day....or more. He did work out a little this morning, he even got on the treadmill for a bit. But he began to feel dizzy so I told him to stop...had him walk a bit to slowly lower his heart rate back to normal.

I wish I could trade places with him, it kills me to see him like this. After his short work out, tears were running down his cheeks. I asked what it was, and he said that his back started to hurt him really bad, and his emotions were all over the place. Seeing one of the strongest men that I know almost break down and cry is a sight nobody should have to endure. I know the subs are stronger than the D he was on, but his back pain has returned with a vengeance. He also said he got pins and needles in his feet...and that happens when he doesn't take his D.

It's going to be a long road....because after this is done, I have to figure a way to give him something else that will help him. For that, he will be talking with his pain management doctor....but I know they put him on several different types of pain meds in the past. Most got him VERY sick....the dilaudid for some reason worked much better than anything else. Yes, it's short acting...and he took it 4,5,6 X a day. And when he would run short at the end of the month, he had would have to resort to other opiates other than D. Yes....the evil lady dressed in white. Again...thanks so much, everyone...you guys have been a Godsend. Thank you for your help. Feel free to throw any more advice my way.....



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If he's doing well on 1mg of buprenrophine there is little reason to give him more. I'd give him another 1mg in the afternoon or evening, if not 2mg, just to keep him comfortable and ensure a better night sleep than otherwise. I don't think there are any issue with the Tagamet, just don't keep him on it (like the buprenorphine as well) for more than one or two weeks tops. I found that lower doses of bupe, especially in concert with Tagamet, are a lot more effective (they seem to act much more like an agonist than mixed agonist) than larger doses. Perhaps that is helping.

You won't need to taper him off the bupe. He's not going to have consumed enough for him to have developed a dependency on it or experience bupe related withdrawal. He'll definitely feel a bit off once you remove the bupe from the equation, but it will be nothing like what's going on now. Tapering for those reasons off the bupe is totally unnecessary. He really only should take it for as long as necessary, and come off it when he won't need any more of it to treat the acute withdrawal from the hydromorphone/heroin, which means he should come off the bupe some point between day 7 and 14. I'd only taper the bupe if you're running out.

When he takes the bupe, have him wash his mouth out with Listerine (or any ethanol containing mouthwash) first, then popping the strip in right under his tongue directly after spitting the Listerine out. It'll all the bupe to be absorbed by the mucus membrane much more effectively than without.

If he is having problems staying asleep the clonazepam will help a lot with that, but if he is only having trouble falling asleep then you may want to consider giving him the alprazolam at night and the clonazepam during the day. It's not a big deal either way, it's good you're using both meds though. Definitely DO NOT lower his alprazolam dosage during his withdrawal from opioids. I mean don't lower it from what it was at before he started kicking. In fact, it would probably be better to raise it a mg or two. But at the least do not lower it. If he wants to deal with his benzo issue (if he has one), do it after he's done kicking (like months down the road).

As far as exercise, have him do whatever he is comfortable with. Walking, stretching, easy yoga, this is all very very helpful. If he can run or lift, then let him, although from what you said I doubt this is a good idea for now. Hot showers or baths (or a trip to the jacuzzi) should make a huge difference as well.

Keeping him hydrated and eating enough protein and fiber is awesome. That'll help him a lot too. Keep up the good work!!!
 
Once again, thank you for the reply. I have noticed a change in him...he is a bit more relaxed, I think putting him back on the normal xanax dose helped a bit. He is really exhausted, he lost some weight, and he is rather depressed. He is no longer really reading or watching TV...he just sits in a chair with his hands on his head waiting for the "foggyness" to clear. I think he is depressed that he can't focus and work right. All he seems to ask is "when will I be able to work again....how much longer until I can go back to work?" He asked to be left alone so he could just ride it out and think....I told him this would be a process and that I would hold his hand all the way thru, I'm not going to let him finish this on his own. He might just very well try and take something just so he thinks he can get back to work. I took what he had stashed away from him....he said he wasn't going to use it, but just to be safe...I convinced him to give it to me. And he did. The man just wants to feel better and get back to work...he is also asking me what he is going to do about the back pain. I told him he has to go to the pain management doc and ask to try something else that he can find abroad and is not an opiate. But, I'm not sure if that can happen. He tried many things before resulting to opiates. I mean....the guy did have a 7.62 bullet in his back for a while, I don't know if there is something else that can help relief his back pain. But...that's another story for another day. For now, I'll give him some more sub to feel more comfortable, since he luckily responded so well to the low dose....we lucked out there. I was worried I would need 8-16mg to get him stable, but 4mg worked fine on day one....well, almost. But it worked. Since you said he doesn't really need to taper, I will give him a bit more now....when he needs it most. Once again...I can't thank you enough brother. I always pay it forward...I used to be on staff here, I might very well come back to the anabolic section and mod there again. You are all a great help.....thank you all.



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You should come back! The more people helping others the better/safer everyone will be!

Yeah depression and dysphoria is going to be around for the first bit of early recovery. Doing something constructive is extremely helpful as it takes your focus away from how you feel to what you are working on.

For pain: I tore my ACL and I never got the surgery, or did the PT. It healed wrong and now I have pain quite a bit of the time. I take ibuprofen. I also had to learn to take breaks. I also had to strengthen the muscles in my legs to take a little bit of the stress off my knee. Are there any exercises that could help develop the muscles around his back injury/ It will hurt quite a bit at first, but in the long run he will feel better. Just remember, easy does it when it comes to injuries and recovery.

keep us posted!
 
manboychef said:
You should come back! The more people helping others the better/safer everyone will be!

Yeah depression and dysphoria is going to be around for the first bit of early recovery. Doing something constructive is extremely helpful as it takes your focus away from how you feel to what you are working on.

For pain: I tore my ACL and I never got the surgery, or did the PT. It healed wrong and now I have pain quite a bit of the time. I take ibuprofen. I also had to learn to take breaks. I also had to strengthen the muscles in my legs to take a little bit of the stress off my knee. Are there any exercises that could help develop the muscles around his back injury/ It will hurt quite a bit at first, but in the long run he will feel better. Just remember, easy does it when it comes to injuries and recovery.

keep us posted!
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I will come back. I have 12 years of experience in that section, and it's only right to pay it forward.

He didn't sleep that well last night. He was up till 6am. He said he got all worried about what news had broke and Paris, so he started calling his friends in the middle of the night waking them to tell them the news. He only slept for 3 hours, and didn't feel that great when he woke up. Probably because he didn't rest enough. But he woke up hungry. He took 1.25mg of sub, and an hour later....he told me he was feeling the best he has felt since he embarked on this journey. Tonight, I think I'm going to have him drop the dose by .5mg and have him take .75mg. I honestly though we would have run out of subs by now, but he has responded very well to the small doses. Perhaps not at first, but he did take 4mg on day one. And today is day four, he took 1.25 and will take another .75. So that's half of what the dose was from day 1. His hands are not as sweaty, he is more relaxed, he got his scripts today and felt better knowing he had his xanax....we only had 6mg left, but today was refill day. He got the D as well, his insurance pays for the brand name stuff and I think it's like a $500 script to fill...but he tossed it in his safe, and he said he honestly had no temptation to use any of it.

He told me one thing today that worried me. He was in a car accident not long ago, and broke several of his teeth on the steering wheel. He is scheduled to have surgery this Sunday. I did not know this. His doc said he wanted to give him a light dose of Propofol while he is being worked on. I told him to wait and let me find out if there is going to be any problems come Sunday, when he still has some sub in his system. Does it matter? He has been under with Propofol before....I just want to make sure he will be OK. What do you think???

Thanks again guys...



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Dude, V, you're a fucking champ! Seriously, I miss my blood brother who is just like you...

Anyways, about the surgery. Honestly, I don't think any of us can really give you too much advice on this given the nature of anesthesia.

The one big thing is that he should really, really make sure the surgeon/doctor supervising and doing all this knows about his current condition. I.e. that he has just kicked opioids (maybe leave out the heroin part and just mention his hydromorphone).

From what I know it doesn't sound like the propofol would be an issue. Often something like fent or hydromorphone is co-administered with the anesthetic, and because he has been taking buprenorphine his doctor needs to be aware of this.

So yea, just make sure the doctor knows he's been taking buprenorphine. And discuss with the doctor which of the meds he's taking right now will be safe to be in his system on the day of the surgery.
 
Hey Dog!! I called my friend who is an MD, he said it wouldn't be a problem. He did say that he should maybe ask for an IV of toradol...just to be safe and to be sure his vitals are closely watched. But he said with certainty, that it wouldn't be a problem. I did some poking around the net, and most seem to agree. But still...he is close with his dentist. He didn't want to tell him, but I convinced him to. Nothing to be ashamed of, it's not going into his records, so he has nothing to worry about.

He took 1.25 this am, and .75 this PM. He is responding much better as each day progresses. He actually had a full blown meal...like a 5000 cal one. I will see him again tomorrow and report back. Thanks again for your help....I don't know how else to repay you all other than coming back and helping folks in the anabolic section. THANK YOU!!!
 
Toradol is a very good idea. And IM short may work well too, but I'm not an MD, just a little boyo, you know? :)

You are very welcome, although no need thank me. What I do on BL I kinda do for a living, so BL gives me some practice and actually keeps me sharp ;) Shit, just seeing someone taking care or someone else in such an ideal way, it's really perfect what you've been doing for your buddy, that is truly thanks enough!

That is also really, really good that he agreed to tell his dentist whats up. That will pretty much ensure he'll be okay, and it's AWESOME it won't be going in his record. That can really fuck things up in terms of insurance and everything, I certainly know...

Keep up the good work! It really is amazing, wonderful, to see someone progress so well through his withdrawal.
 
well iv done opiates like 120 mg of oxy for 5 years strait then went into a suboxone outpatient program for a year...it was the best thing i could have done...it taught me to get my life back...suboxone yes will take withdrawls away but it is actually a tool to help. If your friend is that addicted he really does need a rehab or suboxone program. But if he needs to get off as quick as possible Id take a half of the 4mg strip the first day a half the second day then cut one strip into 4 pieces and do that for 4 days taking you from 2mg's to 1mg so you don't go on a real high dose so it wont be as hard to get off of. And after those 4 days cut a strip into 4 pieces and cut each piece in half and do that for 4 days so on so on. That was your getting thru the opiate withdrawl and you wont withdrawl off the suboxone on top of that. Also be careful how much zanax you take while on suboxone because suboxone brings ur blood pressure down and mixing benzo's with it can cause death. A little is okay I took some and was fine just not like a hand full ... good luck with everything!
 
Well....I must say, things have been going VERY VERY well for him, and he still has 10mg of subs left. He is feeling much much better, he started working again, started training again, is eating well....but he said he is still not 100% He finished day 4 today, and was taking 1mg in the AM and 1mg in the PM. He actually helped his brother do some repairs to the house. Drastic difference from 4 days ago....I can't begin to tell you all how happy I am. He told me he needed my help with something....and I got worried and ran over to his house. He had a small box and he gave it to me. Inside, was a $2K watch he bought me. I couldn't accept...he insisted, I refused. I reminded him how he saved my life....and he started to tear up and get all emotional. He begged me to take the watch...it's a beautiful watch, a very rare one as well. I accepted the watch because he started to get upset and emotional....he gave me the watch, and a big bro hug than nearly cracked me in half. He nearly broke down in tears guys...I think he's going to be just fine fellas. Thanks to all of your help. Like I said, I'm going to get back on staff here in the anabolic section, and do all that I can to pay it forward. I have lots of work to catch up on, but as soon as I do....I'll be back to help where I can. I've been in the game for over a decade, and if it's one thing I know better than most....it's how to turn you into a big mofo, properly, and safely. I'm a supermod on one of the largest body building boards, and I've helped dozens of fellow brothers over the past 9 years. I was helping out here, but things were slow and nobody was really asking for help for a while. But it's more active now, so I'll be happy to contribute. Gentlemen....thank you so much for everything. I can't thank you enough!!!



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One bump in the road....it's day five, and he has not been able to sleep at all. Not a wink during day 4. Have him some extra clonazapam and some Rozerem so I hope that will help. He's still a bit anxious....but MUCH better. So things are going well....aside from his lack of sleep.



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Never heard of Ramelteon being used to treat insomnia during acute withdrawal. How did it work out in combo with the clonazepam? Is Rozerem a newer medication?

Keep up the great work V, you're still (and always) the fucking man! %)

And BTW, my bubbe (grandmother) taught me that if someone you love or deeply care for offers you a gift, accept it with gratitude.

I would have reacted just like you in that situation with the watch (esp. as it happened while he was kicking, and could be perceived by an asshat as taking advantage of, even though of course that is simply not at all what happened - although I'm speaking more from a clinical perspective, which is WAY different than the relationship you have with you best bud here), but I understand what my bubbe means. And honestly, as long as the gift isn't too ridiculous or causes others harm, I think she's absolutely right. Anywho... :)
 
Hey! Rozerem is similar to meletonin, just about 10X the strength. It's not OTC, he needs a script. He has been doubling up on the dose, 16mg instead of 8mg at night. But it having little effect. Day 7 tomorrow. We stared at 4mg on day one...and now he is on .25mg 2X a day. But only has enough for one more day. Upped the benzo dose a bit, instead of 8mg of xanax...he's on 10. No major difference. He looks better, feels better....but am concerned about what will happen when the subs are gone. I hope he doesn't get any WD from the subs.

He is depressed, no doubt about it. His back pains are now back with a strong vengeance. He has trouble walking, his legs and feet get pins and needles, and even has trouble with stairs. The first hell he was in, is now back. He is going to see his pain doc ASAP...and see....well, TRY again if we can find something else to help him with his pain. He can't even sit right in his desk chair for more than 20 mins...he gets pissed off and hit the couch. He gets angry with himself because this is effecting his work. At this point, I don't know what more I can do to help aside from talking to him. But when I see him in tears from the pain he is suffering...I don't know what to do. He used to have to take something every 6 hours for his acute pain....and now, he takes NOTHING. So there is a drastic change in his lifestyle. Like I said, he is a workaholic, and the pain doesn't let him work normally. He gets pissed and frustrated. He nearly tore apart his office because he was so mad with his pain. This is now another battle I have to help him combat. His pain docs in the past tried a dozen things before they resorted to narcotics. I dono guys...

As for the watch....well, yes. I took it and thanked him every so much. We will be friends till the end...and I will always wear the watch in his presence. More so as a reminder of what he overcame. So when he sees it on my wrist...I hope it serves as a tool for him to keep on fighting. Because I told him, if he messes up...I'm giving the watch back. He said..."you will own that watch forever, because I will not fail". But seeing him in pain 24/7...hurts me almost as much as it hurts him. But I think I've reached the max of what I can do to help. What more can I do???



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I'm amazed at how you guided your friend through withdrawal, Victor! Not many have a friend like you!

Your friend is at a crucial point of recovery now. Acute withdrawal is a visible enemy whereas post-acute withdrawal syndroms are nonspecific and blurred, like mood swings, depression, lethargy, and therefor more difficult to deal with. On top of that he seems to have a legitimate pain disorder that needs to be treated.

I don't know his specific condition, but maybe he should consider antineuropathic treatment like pregabaline, amitriptyline or topical capsaicine/lidocaine treatment. Physiotberapy and especially psychotherapy will be extremely helpful too.

Don't increase his Xanax dose too much, whithin 1 or 2 weeks after discontinuing bupe he shoukd be back to his intial dose. It's very easy to treat the symltoms of opioid (post-) withdrawal with benzos, but withdrawing from them is a dozen times more painful than opioid withdrawal plus they may intensify chronic pain.
 
I'm not sure of all the things his pain docs tried with him before they resorted to narcotics. He went to 3 different doctors here in the states, one in Holland, one in Zurich, and one in Greece. They want to operate. I know him well...all my life, he will never let them cut him open and stick 2lbs of metal in his spine. NEVER. They tried lots and lots of things....I don't know the specifics of all of them. As for his benzos....it makes no difference if he takes 8 or 20mg. He's been on them for almost 20 years. On a much higher dose of a triple combo, 8mg alprazolam, 40mg diazapam, 8mg clonazapam. He kicked the last two on his own...when he tried to lower his xanax, he ended up getting attacks again. He can get by on 4mg....but he get anxious and nervous and such. 6mg is his sweet spot...when a bit stressed, he uses 8. But usually 6mg, but is prescribed 8mg. He will always be on a benzo...no way around it. If he were to cut it, he could very well end up dead. He tried MANY MANY times to try and taper off with other things....nope. His ass ends up back in the ER. He won't admit it, but being a dog of war....really messed his head up. He has seen more bloodshed than most of us have seen on TV combined. He doesn't talk about it...I don't talk about it, but there really is such a thing called PTSD. He won't admit it....but what he has been thru, is something that belongs in a book. He's received more medals than I have fingers and toes. NEVER boasts about it...he's very humble. As I mentioned earlier on, the man did save my life. So what I'm doing for him now is NOTHING....NOTHING compared to what he has done for me and for his fellow countrymen. I knew he could do this because he has faced far more aggressive battles than this. But opiate addition really is a powerful thing....even for the strongest man that I have ever met. He's got one more day of subs left...after that, just gonna have to roll with the flow and just wish for the best. Man doesn't deserve this shit....I would switch places with him in a heartbeat. I'm older than him....and he's my role model. If I could amount to half the man he is, I'd be a King. Just kills me to see him suffer like this...I could have gotten more help, but he wanted this to be kept very private and on the down low. I told him there is no shame here....none, for what he has gone thru, it's more than natural. Nope...he made me swear not to, he prides himself too much. I thank all you and God that I managed to get him this far....I really do. I'll be back on staff here again soon. Thanks again guys.



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Are your boy's injuries for lifting then V?

And do you know why he got off the clonazepam and diazepam instead of the alprazolam? Just wondering because generally clonazepam or diazepam, particularly the former, are better for longer term treatment of anxiety, but what do I know.

I can totally understand if he's resigned himself (and I don't mean that in a bad way) to taking benzos for the rest of his life. That is a lot like me, just switch up opioids for benzos. In some ways, it's not a bad thing to have realized, but I won't get into that as it'll probably be very misunderstood on the face of it.

How's he doing now with the detox? Should be pretty much over by now. And that's a nice thought, huh? For him and for you :)
 
Hey dog! He has several injuries, but was also born with many defects at birth with his back. Spina bifida, scoliosis, lumbar radiculapithy, spondilosis, hip deterioration, and I think one more. Lifting has helped him...he's a big boy. He also got hurt in an MMA match. I'm 260....he's about 230, but is far more vascular than me. He is also a vet...was a Ranger and has been on 5 tours abroad. Took a 7.62 round in the back....luckily not in the area he has a problem with, but that just added to the list of his back issues. He also was in a chopper crash, been stabbed, broken ribs, you name it.

He kicked the benzos on his own, without medical supervision. The clon was long lasting. So for someone who only sleeps 4-5 hrs a day, he would wake up droggy and sedated somewhat. Diazapam didn't seem to have any effect on him. He was most comfortable with just xanax alone. He tried to kick that as well...but it was a BAD idea. He tried many times....no go. He only resorted to narcotics.....long after all his docs....all over the world, told him he was only left with two options. VERY risky surgery, or hard pain meds. And like I said before, there was no way in hell he would do the surgery....especially when they told him he had to sign a waiver in case something went wrong and ended up in a wheel chair for life. I agree with him...I wouldn't do it. He showed me a pic of this metal thing that looked like a engine from a lawnmower that they wanted to install in his back. I wouldn't do it. His back problems stem from when his father was exposed to chemicals like agent orange and such when he was in Vietnam.

He is doing well with the detox. Tomorrow is his last day. He has .5mg left. He will take .25mg in the AM, and the last .25mg dose in the PM. After that...I'm not fully sure what to expect, but I'm going to go stay with him just in case. I actually told him I got into a fight with my wife and needed a few days apart just so he would let me crash at his house. I don't know if he will have WD from the subs. He did a quick taper down to .25mg 2X a day, when he started at 4mg on day one. I hope it's enough...because there are no more subs left. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks again!!!!



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Yea, I feel you. Pls try and do what you can to emphasis that it just isn't possible for him to withdrawal from the buprenorphine he's been taking because he was never no it long enough to get dependent on it. That said of course, when his final dose wears off, he won't be feeling totally fine, but it won't be because he's now hooked on Suboxone or something. If he feel shitty the day after getting off Suboxone, it won't be a prodoct of being on Suboxone but rather just he lingering tail end of his withdrawals from his hydromorp and heroin habit. But that won't be so bad, more like just a generous kind of malaise, but not he'll be technically over any of the acute withdrawal.

Anyways, keep your head up - you two are ALMOST there. Plus, I honestly believe he'll be able to deal with the relatively minor symptoms of the tail end of his acute withdrawal. Just keep doing what you do, stay supportive and encouraging, and he'll be just fine. Shit, just think: after tomorrow, he'll be pretty much done with the primarily nasty part of acute withdrawal and feeling much, much better overall.

You got this. Sorry to hear about your fight with your g/f btw, so take care of your own self regarding that too.
 
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