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EADD Heroin discussion v.21 -- Big shout out to kkattastic :)

F.U.B.A.R. said:
Bloody hell Scotch, 10 - 15 bags a day pinned? Can I assume you've well and truly fallen off the wagon then?
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Lost the wagon a good while back.. buckled beyond belief..

I'm currently rattling my tits off in not so far from Galway with another 24 hours until home.. 8) I was getting through a couple of grams a day...

I'm. Seriously skint due to it...
 
ScotchMist said:
Lost the wagon a good while back.. buckled beyond belief..

I'm currently rattling my tits off in not so far from Galway with another 24 hours until home.. 8) I was getting through a couple of grams a day...

I'm. Seriously skint due to it...
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Once you have money again on Saturday get a hold of any Methadone users you know and try and get them to part with their Sunday dose. Now that I'm working again I make sure I always have something kept by for if I can't score or if I'm skint. I'm a bit skint now, spent my last score on a bag earlier, still have an nice bit of it left because it was just under 0.8 for the score. I have 8 of the 8mg Suboxone, I only need half of one to square me up so that's 16 days worth and I have 100ml of Meth'. 20ml of Meth' keeps me going for a day so I should be able to get 5 to 6 days from that. I don't get paid again until the 30th (my work has that shitty last working day of the month pay set up so that means a Monday pay for this month) but between my Subs and Meth I have enough substitutes to keep me going until pay day. really want to avoid tapping money this month, last month I owed out £600 but that was me getting back to work after 4 months on Jobseeker's Allowance.

I've also got 13 of the 10mg instant release MSTs. A guy I score from gave me 19 of them for £10. I've only tried them once, I took six and crunched them up. Got a really nice glow from them and a nice gouch. I wonder if it would be best to take the last 13 in one? I've heard it can be easy to OD with MSTs but with even a small tolerance I don't think 130mg of instant release MST would do any harm.
 
I've some subs, I've reluctantly just snorted one.. didn't want to spoil my score tomorrow but I can't do a 13+ hour drive and ferry cross like this...

Did I mention... shite it is...
 
ScotchMist said:
I've some subs, I've reluctantly just snorted one.. didn't want to spoil my score tomorrow but I can't do a 13+ hour drive and ferry cross like this...

Did I mention... shite it is...
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Is it Suboxone or Subutex you have taken. That last time I took a Suboxone I scored the next day and it was fine. I think that after taking a Suboxone scoring the same day is a bad idea because you won't feel much off the Kit but the following day after a good kip is usually fine. When I first tried a Suboxone I was shitting it a bit because it was only about 23 hours after my last smoke of Kit and I'd heard that if you take the Subbie too early it can put you into a sudden withdrawal. Luckily I never got any bad effects from it and it squared me up nicely. Got a good sleep that night too.
 
How you holding out, Scotchy? <3

Been craving stoopidly myself, but it's been over a week since I last scored and I even ran into my dealer without scoring. Positive in some way, I guess.
 
I have spunked 500 on gear in 12 days - normally can make 500 last 3 weeks. Its like when I have bags of it I have this thing in my head telling me to get rid of it as quick as possible. Ah well on the phy tabs now for at least a week maybe longer depends if I sell any. Its weird I kinda hate it when I have it and crave for it when I don't and on top of that my liking for W increasing as its really good.. I think I need a long hard talk to myself
 
blondin said:
I have spunked 500 on gear in 12 days - normally can make 500 last 3 weeks. Its like when I have bags of it I have this thing in my head telling me to get rid of it as quick as possible. Ah well on the phy tabs now for at least a week maybe longer depends if I sell any. Its weird I kinda hate it when I have it and crave for it when I don't and on top of that my liking for W increasing as its really good.. I think I need a long hard talk to myself
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£500 in 12 days is, to me, not exactly that shocking if one is using full time.
I'll score now once every few weeks and pick up 0.6 for £35, which is tough to keep to, but a few months back I was shooting upwards of 0.75g a day of the best gear I could possibly find. And like you I have a tendency to use Cocaine or another short stim (3-FPM primarily) on top. £2,000+ gone in a month before I was forced to kick.

I didn't have Meth or Subs to fall back on so I kinda kept shooting until I hit rock bottom, but you do, and you know more than I do about what works for you, but if I had jumped on 'Done after 12 days I'd have been so much better off.

Also, just a question for my fellow Junkies: is it me or does Heroin seem to have a very unique WD profile in that it is both horrendous physically and mentally? Every other Opioid I've kicked has been weighted in some way towards being either almost entirely physical or mental, but Heroin WD is a beast all of its own.

<3
 
Try 20years on ridiculous doses of every opiate in the BNF cumulating in jumping off 180mg of meth and the nature of this Withdraw is unlike any other. I'm not trying to diminish the horrific nature of heroin withdraws but at least it doesn't drag on for 3-4 months. It was the only time in my life I've actuality considered suicide.
 
englandgz74 said:
Try 20years on ridiculous doses of every opiate in the BNF cumulating in jumping off 180mg of meth and the nature of this Withdraw is unlike any other. I'm not trying to diminish the horrific nature of heroin withdraws but at least it doesn't drag on for 3-4 months. It was the only time in my life I've actuality considered suicide.
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Holy shit, it's the one and only! Glad to see you, though admittedly the discussion could be more positive...
I can't even begin to imagine how horrific that must have been, my worst was certainly the 7-10mg (yes, milligrams) of Fentanyl Citrate daily, either chased or IV'd. In just a few months that habit blew gear out of the water, I was shooting 3/4 bags of gear while friends of mine gouched after 1.

<3
 
SproutOnSmack said:
Also, just a question for my fellow Junkies: is it me or does Heroin seem to have a very unique WD profile in that it is both horrendous physically and mentally? Every other Opioid I've kicked has been weighted in some way towards being either almost entirely physical or mental, but Heroin WD is a beast all of its own.
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I think it's the short half-life that makes it so brutal. After a week off buprenorphine or methadone, you will still have about 10% of the stuff left in your body; but gear is almost totally out of your system within three days. And once you've reached the point where your glands begin producing endorphins again, it still takes time to produce enough to mask the normal background pain you don't usually notice. Whereas with a longer half-life drug, even after the endorphin production kicks back in, you still have some residual exogenous opioids in your body.

The least painful method I have found so far is to take tiny, tiny doses (literally only just enough to take some of the edge off and no more) over 2 or 3 days (as long as you can eke it out for). Doing this, I can get back to "normal" within a week. It's still nobody's idea of fun, but it's survivable, especially with some benzos and plenty of clean bed sheets. The idea is to supplement your body's recovering endorphin production (once it has started back up, you actually have to get quite stoned to stop it again) while it builds up. (But I'm not medically trained; so if the foregoing is bollocks, please point out where I'm wrong.) And now I know that a beetle on foil will keep, I have a new idea for an improved method for rationing it out. Not that I'm actually in all that much of a hurry to jump back off the wagon right now; I need to keep myself together until at least the end of the month now. So the world will have to wait a little longer to see if (or not) the Montoya Method, Second Iteration is any good. (Are there too many sets of brackets in this paragraph?)

englandgz74 said:
I'm not trying to diminish the horrific nature of heroin withdraws but at least it doesn't drag on for 3-4 months. It was the only time in my life I've actuality considered suicide.
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Shit, mate, that's not good. Not even something I can relate to, as I've never really had thoughts like that. I suppose I should count myself lucky I'm able to say I love life .....
 
hAS THE GEAR IMPROVED YOUR WAY YET bLONDIN or is it still shit? and the same with any1 else who cares to answer. Im just wondering if places are picking up yet or if the gears still shit in most places.
 
can always get good in town but the places where I pick up weight and the hackney shotters still shit......thats the trouble I get .15 bags for a tenner and discount on volume since I tend to but 20 or so but then I just pile them on the foil where as I can normally get an 1/8th for 100 or 110 of decent kit probably 30% compared to 40-45% form the shots and that will last week or what I normally do is add a shot and double up from the 1/8th. I try and keep my habit down to .4 or so a day as I cant fund more tham that
 
BecomingJulie said:
Shit, mate, that's not good. Not even something I can relate to, as I've never really had thoughts like that. I suppose I should count myself lucky I'm able to say I love life .....
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seriously? Every junkie I know has considered suicide during withdrawal.
I spent 20 years on and off like that and managed ta oactaully develop a kinda carreer out of it
long story
one day when you are all sitting nicely
 
I would certainly have expected most Junkies to have debated suicide, at least during the WD period. The life of a Smackhead isn't generally very positive, either, so in the isolation many of us choose, negative thoughts multiply.

<3
 
SproutOnSmack said:
I would certainly have expected most Junkies to have debated suicide, at least during the WD period. The life of a Smackhead isn't generally very positive, either, so in the isolation many of us choose, negative thoughts multiply.

<3
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added to the fact that you realise you have fucking nothing left in your life
 
hey guys, hope everyone's beeen well. spent a couple of months in hospital after an od, no idea what it was, took my normal dose of H, woke up 6 days later in ICU.

looks like its juust subs and metizolam for me tonight :)
 
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