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How I skipped the worst of the WDs from H

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A little background first, I suppose. I was addicted to dope for nearly 2 years. I was not too much of a heavy user but just enough to feel like death when I couldn't score. I did bad things and thankfully have a clean record and can start over. But I am digressing. I started off using oxy 30s like many of us did and this led to me trying the suboxone treatment program. MAKE no mistake. These "doctor" offices are legal insurance scams that rake cash in by the thousands every week. Now don't get me wrong, if that is the choice you want to make to be a functioning member of society while still using a narcotic painkiller, then by all means do it. HOWEVER, the WDs from suboxone is hell on earth. I had to go to a 28 day to get off the suboxone it was so bad impossible to do so by yourself. So after rehab, I started dabbling in oxy agains. This time it was different (famous last words). I would only take them on the weekend and then that led to dope because it was cheaper.

Anyway, enough backstory bullshit. How did I skip the first 5 days of H withdrawals? I got a script for 60 2mg hulk bars and took 12 a day, mostly at night. I only got a few hours sleep the first two nights but now at day 4 and 5 I had a full night sleep with awesome dreams. I got motivation back in my life and the xanax has really helped me get to my responsibilities.

I never self this clear mind a in while.
 
blacking out from taking xanax is not necessarily a good way because during xanax blackouts you generally are up doing things...this can lead to certain "complications"
 
Just woke up from a great sleep. I actually woke up not thinking about dope the first thing in my mind. Putting yourself under like that is the best for a good night sleep and taking it intermittently during the day is the best for the stress and anxiety.
 
When I first really discovered alprazolam's possibilities, it made it possible for me to get off bupe. But I wasn't taking so much, more like 4mg/day. That a lot of Xanax, even in withdrawal, unless you already have a tolerance to benzos, is dangerous.
 
As I've posted in another thread already -->
dopamimetic said:
If possible, get some memantine (NMDA antagonist that alleviates a good part of the overexcitation happening during w/d) and clonidine (lowers norepinephrine, takes care of other parts, restlessness, anxiety and insomnia), maybe loperamide (peripherally acting opioid against physical symptoms especially diarrhoea etc.) but the latter isn't even necessary in milder cases.

Gradually increase the dosages of these meds over some days (I just dosed straight on 50mg memantine and 150mcg of clonidine as necessary but this isn't recommended) and they'll help you so much over the withdrawal, not just masking the symptoms but actually helping to recover especially the memantine ... unless you're on some really crazy high dosage, it should work to some extent. All I had left over was some sweating and here and there a little bit of anxiety, mostly overall lethargy. Watched TV during the days and slept at night, after three days most was over and after 2-4 weeks you can taper the memantine down again. I wouldn't have managed to get through a single day without these meds.

Dextromethorphan works for some too.
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There's robust scientific evidence for that & it might save you from some days of true terror.
 
the rebound anxiety alone from massive doses of xanax would be having me pouring hot milk and slipping under the covers scared out of my mind.
 
Yea when I say the thread's title I got all excited because I thought it was going to be about DXM or another NMDA antagonist. Shit rocks, saved my fucking life.
 
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personally I think I needed to feel that level of suffering after such a long time of stagnation in my life. I had to go through withdrawal to get better. I had been through withdrawal so many times...it sucks, but I think for a certain group of people, myself included, you need to actual challenge how strong you can be....how much you can handle. I have some problems in my life now, but I know that I am strong enough to take them on.
 
Might well be true. Think there are like two routes to go, and some need the one, some the other.. for some the suffering will just cause a learning effect of fearing the relapse, so if they ever do the drug again, they'll go into a binge without end.. but if you know that you can get out without too much pain, it's all half as serious. Like controlled drinking. Don't know really what's about and if it's genetically dependent or a thing of state of mind..

But I'm really an advocate of choice. Just offering cold turkey is wrong. I've been better off with the gentle way, and I've actually learned to do drugs responsibly now..
 
Update:

I slept from 3:00AM - 11:30AM. I took 10mg of Xanax before bed. The worst of the physical pain is nearly completely gone. I still have bouts of pain in my stomach for some reason. My stool is looking healthy and solid, unlike deer shit. I dream wonderful things and wake up feeling refreshed and not thinking about using. The worst feeling about being an addict is waking up and the first thing you think about is scoring. Today, I woke up pissed off at the DMV. I'm starting to feel normal again
 
dopamimetic said:
Might well be true. Think there are like two routes to go, and some need the one, some the other.. for some the suffering will just cause a learning effect of fearing the relapse, so if they ever do the drug again, they'll go into a binge without end.. but if you know that you can get out without too much pain, it's all half as serious. Like controlled drinking. Don't know really what's about and if it's genetically dependent or a thing of state of mind..

But I'm really an advocate of choice. Just offering cold turkey is wrong. I've been better off with the gentle way, and I've actually learned to do drugs responsibly now..
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I totally agree. There are some like myself that need a swift kick in the ass to get their head straight, while others need a gentle hand through it so as not to relapse during withdrawal. It all comes down to what gives the individual lasting success. My only problem is they didn't let me listen to music in the detox center. That really made it worse, but I still made it through,
 
Choice is important. The thing is, I've been through withdrawal almost every which way so many times before, there isn't too much stuff to learn about cold turkey withdrawal from opioids any more.

I agree that if someone is dependent/addicted to opioids, as the withdrawal isn't normally fatal, everyone should experience what cold turkey is like. It's really important, and it bugs the shit out of me how much people bitch and moan about withdrawal. I mean, it's a natural and expect part of a habit. Doesn't mean one should suffer needlessly, but it is important to experience and accept as only a part of the price one pays for opioid addiction.

Yes, I've successfully (and miraculously) withdrawn from heroin dependency using DXM. Ketamine didn't work nearly as well, although I never got a chance to test MXE - wish I had, seems like it may be the best between the long action of DXM and the small dose needed like ketamine (as well as having fewer side effects for me than a second plateau DXM dose). I don't share this with many people, but PCP also seems like it holds much potential. It's quite a bit "rougher" in terms of the psychedelically quality, and purity is a huge concern given the popularity of actually adding embalming fluid to wet.

When I used DXM to kick I didn't even know what I was doing. I mean, I didn't do it expecting I would get any relief, I just wanted something desperately to help. You can only imagine how shocked I was when my withdrawal side effects disappeared one by one until I only suffered minimal insomnia. It was almost like being born again, especially in how the entire experience happened and my stumbling upon DXM in this way.
 
toothpastedog said:
Yes, I've successfully (and miraculously) withdrawn from heroin dependency using DXM. Ketamine didn't work nearly as well, although I never got a chance to test MXE - wish I had, seems like it may be the best between the long action of DXM and the small dose needed like ketamine (as well as having fewer side effects for me than a second plateau DXM dose).
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The neuroscience behind this is very interesting but it's truly exciting to read from others that it really worked for them too... so we really seem to know a good deal about how our brain works these days ... :) but this stuff should get used much more widely, at least the knowledge should get shared, so that people have the choice.

Maybe there's something unique to DXM that other dissociatives don't share (DXM can actually prevent tolerance development to dissociatives, if my theory is correct) but MXE was really golden ... it's too sad that this molecule will now gather dust in the schedule's lists..
 
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