☮ Social ☮ [PD Social Tripping Thread] NEW! Gather here for swirly talk

[Thorns Have Roses]

TAC, that was lovely.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Thanks! I suspected the haiku master himself would be pleased to see some more poetry in this thread.

Last night I took a bit of MXE with 4-HO-MiPT, and I did it via IM in my quad muscle. Didn't use a filter as there were none, I'm feeling dumb about that now. The injection site today is tender, which has never happened before but all I've IMed before is MXE, which doesn't burn at all, whereas this burned a bit going in. I've started psyching myself out now though. Needles just creep me out (always have), I feel like it's worth it to IM things occasionally, maybe, but I really hate doing it. Now I feel creeped out at the sensation of soreness/tenderness in my leg.

Yep, this is exactly the kind of paranoia that keeps me far away from needles.

Hey peoples, for anyone who is still interested, I finally got an update from my friend who took the 40 mg of 4-HO-MPT. [...]

Sounds like a potentially deep and difficult but rewarding chem. The sort of thing that irresistibly prods my curiosity.

 

[SKL]

IM in the quad

Sorry to interrupt the swirly talk, but HR talk. Please don't do this, and if you do it, know what you're doing and your anatomical landmarks. Due to associated risks, I don't like doing this (to others) and I'm a medical professional, although sometimes it's necessary, i.e. in psychiatric patients who have been forcibly medicated so many times that abscesses/fibrosis/other nastiness starts to occur at the other four preferred sites. Stick to the glutes (better to have someone do it for you) and delts. Not only does injection into the vastus lateralis (the only site you should be using) tend to really hurt significantly more than other sites but there are nerves, arteries, etc there. Soreness/tenderness is probably benign and can be expected unless it's red, hot, tingling, you develop febrile symptoms or if at the moment of administration it'd obviously gone arterial or venous. Also it is important to use proper syringes. Please never inject anything into your lower extremities again.

 

[LostAtomsk]

I hope I'm posting this in the right place.
I'm not looking for an answer, just any of your thoughts.

I'm new to recreational use of mind-altering substances. More specifically, LSD. The world of psychedelics are fairly new to me, I've had my first trip only about half a year ago. I think I've had about 8'ish trips. Other than that, I've only tried weed, which didn't do anything for me, as I have trouble inhaling. It's just extremely unpleasant for me. I have also tried Salvia, which was humbling. In the afterglow of 1P-LSD, I've done N2O, which was also very nice.

In short: I'm currently going through a careful introduction to the world of drugs. As I type this, I can't help but feel a creeping sense of guilt. To elaborate: My family is a very traditional one, coming from a (once) very traditional corner of western Europe. My father is retired law enforcement, my mother comes from a generation where it was taboo for a woman to drive a car or do anything else but housework. Due to the position of my father, I grew up and played in the same courtyard that policemen used. My father is an important male figure in my life (duh), as he stands, upheld and respected a vigorous sense of justice. He rarely took his work home, but his work was literally next door, so I've seen the drifters, the addicts, the thieves, the lost, the insane and the all-of-the-above. Living in a small town, he never talked about what he did or had to do, but I've seen him broken-hearted, of the things he witnessed.

For years, I've had a staunch, unwavering stance against anything drug-related. I associated it with filth, where the source of the substance could only be found in the depraved margins of society. Hence the guilt: I feel like I've betrayed my family, in a overly dramatic sense of putting it. It might seem silly to you, but for the largest time of my life, this was part of what I thought to be my identity. (geez, I sound holier-than-thou)

My introduction to LSD was a very gentle and "educated" one, in the presence in the dearest of friends. It was warm, gentle, eye-opening. I love music and doing LSD makes me feel like I have acquired the superpower to not just listen and experience, but to open up a song and walk, run, fly, swim, wallow in it. Every aspect is prepared, thought over, every intoxicating aspect is looked at, discussed, etc. I hope I can say we try to know what we're doing. In fact, sometimes we make fun of ourselves, because you won't find us at raves, but in our living rooms. We're much like the cast of The Big Bang Theory, doing drugs.

Here's where I'm a bit torn: am I telling myself I'm not doing anything bad as long as I keep up the routine mentioned above, or am I in fact succumbing to drug culture, something I've loathed for so long? I feel like like I no longer fit in the old convictions and I'm having trouble with my new convictions.

I sometimes wish I could sit down with all of you, without repercussions (identity and all) and talk to you, about your walks of life.

I suppose venting this to maybe anyone caring to listen is helpful to begin with, but: "penny for your thoughts" Anyone experience the same thing?

 

[Kaleida]

LostAtomsk, it sounds to me as though what is really giving you trouble is just the fact that you are discovering a world which is different from the one that you were always told was out there. Most people who use drugs can relate to this because most people in general are told that drugs are bad when they're growing up. This is despite the fact that we are all taught to be excited to try alcohol for the first time when we're old enough, even though it is worse for you than nearly every other recreational drug in existence. We have also developed enormous industries for selling stimulants disguised as drinks with teenagers being one of the primary markets. And, if anyone still thinks there's anything wrong with you, they'll happily recommend an endless list of mostly untested drugs that your doctor will hand out like candy, while at the same time throwing you in prison for life because you sought the same sort of relief from something you bought on the streets.

Tell me, from your brief period of experience, do you think that there is anything inherently wrong or contemptible about drug use? Do you think that this state of the world is right? And do you realize that in many places you will be locked up longer for having LSD than you would for having cocaine or heroin?

Sounds like a potentially deep and difficult but rewarding chem. The sort of thing that irresistibly prods my curiosity.

If that is the way you feel then I definitely think that you should give it a try! I don't think I could've summed up my experience with it so far better than that. And I've only scratched the surface so far. :D

 

[vortech]

Xorkoth, aside from the worry about the injection site how was the actual trip? Was the onset of the 4-ho super quick like the MXE, and do you know exact dosage of each? Very fascinated by the class of combo- have you read that section of my book yet?

 

[Xorkoth]

Well I only put in ~8mg of 4-HO-MiPT, and the MXE was also very low (about the same - in the case of the MXE, it was all there was). I took some 4-HO-DPT also which was my main trial, I was just interested in a little "primer" for it. We tried to get that into solution for IM as well, but after quite a lot of heating and stirring, only maybe 5mg dissolved. So my friend IMed that and I snorted 32mg (I dried the remaining 4-HO-DPT out and recovered it). It all came on at about the same time (I snorted right after I IMed). Slowly the character of 4-HO-DPT made itself known to me. We were listening to music and talking, and I started to notice a warm fuzz descend over me. It was different to any feeling I've felt from a psychedelic before (I have not done DPT yet but I would guess it would have some of these unique characteristics and feeling). I felt that it was a little difficult to talk, and I didn't want to do anything but sit there. I felt good physically, quite good actually, and serene/calm, but there was something slightly edgy about my state as well. At first it was really just this fuzzy feeling and a feeling of being off in some ways. But at some point the peak hit (my sense of time was quite off, as was my friend's, so not sure how long that took) and it started to become something more. Oh I remember, actually we smoked a hitter of good weed and that kicked it up, it combined very well. The fuzzy feeling increased greatly and seemed centered in my head. It was causing me to unfocus my vision a lot and the fuzzy feeling would increase until it felt like I could just dissolve up into the aether through the top of my head. This feeling was wonderful and profound but also slightly edgy in some way I can't and couldn't really determine. Although there was little to no open eyed visual distortion (which is something I often don't get as strongly as most people), when I closed my eyes there was a lot of imagery and activity, stronger than I usually get on stronger doses of most things. I never explored it though as I was hanging out with my friend. I think next I will take it at 50mg nasally by itself and close my eyes with headphones. My sense of musical understanding and perception were increased substantially and this led to a greatly increased enjoyment as well. At one point we started listening to something by Popul Vuh, "I'm making a mirror", and I conceptualized it, due to the directional quality of the sound, as building a monumental architectural sphere around me with the sound, and that this architecture of vibrations was tweaking me in some way internally/energetically. I felt that I was understanding sound in some new ways, though I can't really fully recall what those were. I felt really good. The edginess faded to barely perceptible as time went on. The state reminds me somewhat of mescaline and a bit of AMT. Not really psilocin at all, maybe something related to DMT but not very much like it. Along with something very unique and intriguing.

Slowly I regained my ability to confidently speak and my friend and I started having really interesting discussions about various topics, while still listening to music. As the night went on the effects slowly faded. Actually the whole thing only lasted about 3 hours, but it seemed like a long time. Afterwards however, for the rest of the night I still felt that lifty/fuzzy feeling and my words and thought were colored by the experience. At some point I drank about half a beer, and I felt the feeling suddenly dissipate by about half. This was a disappointment to me, and it made me think about why I even had the beer... it was just habit, chillin and having a beer, but I vastly preferred the feeling of the 4-HO-DPT and it seems that to some degree they are mutually exclusive. I would guess alcohol doesn't go so well with this. I find that to be true with mescaline too, but I enjoy alcohol on the plateau/come-down of most tryptamines and phenethylamines, and the lysergamides as well.

It feels like 4-HO-DPT is going deep for sure. During the trip I kept thinking about how primal and root-level it seemed, but I wasn't quite sure why then or now. There's a lot I can't really explain about this experience, nothing major but I feel like my words are lacking a lot when I try to describe it. I'm looking forward to trying it at a fuller dose in a different setting.

Sorry to interrupt the swirly talk, but HR talk. Please don't do this, and if you do it, know what you're doing and your anatomical landmarks. Due to associated risks, I don't like doing this (to others) and I'm a medical professional, although sometimes it's necessary, i.e. in psychiatric patients who have been forcibly medicated so many times that abscesses/fibrosis/other nastiness starts to occur at the other four preferred sites. Stick to the glutes (better to have someone do it for you) and delts. Not only does injection into the vastus lateralis (the only site you should be using) tend to really hurt significantly more than other sites but there are nerves, arteries, etc there. Soreness/tenderness is probably benign and can be expected unless it's red, hot, tingling, you develop febrile symptoms or if at the moment of administration it'd obviously gone arterial or venous. Also it is important to use proper syringes. Please never inject anything into your lower extremities again.

I didn't know about that, thanks. I wonder how many other people don't know that either... it's never been said to me. Today (2 days later) it's still a little sore, but it's just really lightly pink around the site (which it has been since I first noticed it)... it seems entirely benign, I barely notice it.

I do want to try IMing 2 other things (DPT and ketamine), just because of the reported greatly increased extent of positive effects and removal of negatives, but in general I don't think I'm going to be doing it anymore. It's too sketchy when something can work fine via another route.

 

[LostAtomsk]

LostAtomsk, it sounds to me as though what is really giving you trouble is just the fact that you are discovering a world which is different from the one that you were always told was out there.

I should thank you for distilling my wall of text into that tl;dr.
But, in broad sense, that.

Most people who use drugs can relate to this because most people in general are told that drugs are bad when they're growing up. This is despite the fact that we are all taught to be excited to try alcohol for the first time when we're old enough, even though it is worse for you than nearly every other recreational drug in existence. We have also developed enormous industries for selling stimulants disguised as drinks with teenagers being one of the primary markets. And, if anyone still thinks there's anything wrong with you, they'll happily recommend an endless list of mostly untested drugs that your doctor will hand out like candy, while at the same time throwing you in prison for life because you sought the same sort of relief from something you bought on the streets.

It's true, I tend to shy away from pills unless my health absolutely requires it (I won't be popping painkillers for a mild headeache, is what I mean), because they make me feel miserable and I do realize that "Big pharma" is an industry. Like there are so many industries completely divorced from humanity.

What you say is also generally true for most people: drugs are bad (mmmkay)and alcohol is OK because the TV says so. What troubles me is that I find myself a hypocrite, because I've more or less seen the drug abusers and the damage they do. I've never ever once had a lecture from my father, I didn't need to, the arguments were apparent and dragged from police vans in all kinds of states. At a tender age, that always left an impression on me. At a later age, I saw the impression it left on my father.

Tell me, from your brief period of experience, do you think that there is anything inherently wrong or contemptible about drug use? Do you think that this state of the world is right?

Yes and no. There's no easy answer for me.
No: I've only recently started and I'm 29 and have a limited bit of experience to know when to stop and where to draw the lines. I'm not claiming I own the wisdom of a full life.
Yes: Despite keeping myself in check, I catch myself very easily thinking to myself "Well, I can handle LSD, I'm sure I could try candyflipping (who invented that word? Drug culture has more inane terminology than IT), but that lands me with MDMA. I still firmly believe in inherent safeties that prohibit a person to lose control and drugs is simply too alluring to ignore those safeties.

And do you realize that in many places you will be locked up longer for having LSD than you would for having cocaine or heroin?

That is simply ridiculous. I didn't know that, no. I can't imagine why?

 

[SKL]

IME i.m. DPT/K (and 4-AcO-DMT/K, and 2CD, and some others, not to mention K and DPT alone, and, maybe my favorite, DMT) are well worth the price of admission. Nothing wrong with the RoA just use proper technique, filters, proper site, and 25g x 1in needles.

 

[Kaleida]

Well I only put in ~8mg of 4-HO-MiPT, and the MXE was also very low (about the same - in the case of the MXE, it was all there was). I took some 4-HO-DPT also which was my main trial, I was just interested in a little "primer" for it. We tried to get that into solution for IM as well, but after quite a lot of heating and stirring, only maybe 5mg dissolved. So my friend IMed that and I snorted 32mg (I dried the remaining 4-HO-DPT out and recovered it). It all came on at about the same time (I snorted right after I IMed). Slowly the character of 4-HO-DPT made itself known to me. We were listening to music and talking, and I started to notice a warm fuzz descend over me. It was different to any feeling I've felt from a psychedelic before (I have not done DPT yet but I would guess it would have some of these unique characteristics and feeling). I felt that it was a little difficult to talk, and I didn't want to do anything but sit there. I felt good physically, quite good actually, and serene/calm, but there was something slightly edgy about my state as well. At first it was really just this fuzzy feeling and a feeling of being off in some ways. But at some point the peak hit (my sense of time was quite off, as was my friend's, so not sure how long that took) and it started to become something more. Oh I remember, actually we smoked a hitter of good weed and that kicked it up, it combined very well. The fuzzy feeling increased greatly and seemed centered in my head. It was causing me to unfocus my vision a lot and the fuzzy feeling would increase until it felt like I could just dissolve up into the aether through the top of my head. This feeling was wonderful and profound but also slightly edgy in some way I can't and couldn't really determine. Although there was little to no open eyed visual distortion (which is something I often don't get as strongly as most people), when I closed my eyes there was a lot of imagery and activity, stronger than I usually get on stronger doses of most things. I never explored it though as I was hanging out with my friend. I think next I will take it at 50mg nasally by itself and close my eyes with headphones. My sense of musical understanding and perception were increased substantially and this led to a greatly increased enjoyment as well. At one point we started listening to something by Popul Vuh, "I'm making a mirror", and I conceptualized it, due to the directional quality of the sound, as building a monumental architectural sphere around me with the sound, and that this architecture of vibrations was tweaking me in some way internally/energetically. I felt that I was understanding sound in some new ways, though I can't really fully recall what those were. I felt really good. The edginess faded to barely perceptible as time went on. The state reminds me somewhat of mescaline and a bit of AMT. Not really psilocin at all, maybe something related to DMT but not very much like it. Along with something very unique and intriguing.

Slowly I regained my ability to confidently speak and my friend and I started having really interesting discussions about various topics, while still listening to music. As the night went on the effects slowly faded. Actually the whole thing only lasted about 3 hours, but it seemed like a long time. Afterwards however, for the rest of the night I still felt that lifty/fuzzy feeling and my words and thought were colored by the experience. At some point I drank about half a beer, and I felt the feeling suddenly dissipate by about half. This was a disappointment to me, and it made me think about why I even had the beer... it was just habit, chillin and having a beer, but I vastly preferred the feeling of the 4-HO-DPT and it seems that to some degree they are mutually exclusive. I would guess alcohol doesn't go so well with this. I find that to be true with mescaline too, but I enjoy alcohol on the plateau/come-down of most tryptamines and phenethylamines, and the lysergamides as well.

It feels like 4-HO-DPT is going deep for sure. During the trip I kept thinking about how primal and root-level it seemed, but I wasn't quite sure why then or now. There's a lot I can't really explain about this experience, nothing major but I feel like my words are lacking a lot when I try to describe it. I'm looking forward to trying it at a fuller dose in a different setting.

Oh wow, I can't believe you left this out of the last post! Thank you very much for sharing, this sort of information will prove useful to me in the not so distant future.... It really does sound quite nice, I know it had a slight booster but the effects you described did sound much more like 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, and 4-AcO-DALT for me than like 4-HO-MiPT, I could definitely see some relation as I've noticed before from trip reports. The closed eye visions especially remind me of high dose 4-AcO-DET.... I got some stunningly beautiful scenery on that one, really untouched stuff. The idea of another psychedelic with similar properties makes me quite excited. :D

Also, if my experiences with those tryptamines are anything to go by, then your plan of headphones and music for next time is a very, very good idea!!

I should thank you for distilling my wall of text into that tl;dr.
But, in broad sense, that.

It's true, I tend to shy away from pills unless my health absolutely requires it (I won't be popping painkillers for a mild headeache, is what I mean), because they make me feel miserable and I do realize that "Big pharma" is an industry. Like there are so many industries completely divorced from humanity.

What you say is also generally true for most people: drugs are bad (mmmkay)and alcohol is OK because the TV says so. What troubles me is that I find myself a hypocrite, because I've more or less seen the drug abusers and the damage they do. I've never ever once had a lecture from my father, I didn't need to, the arguments were apparent and dragged from police vans in all kinds of states. At a tender age, that always left an impression on me. At a later age, I saw the impression it left on my father.

Well, to be a hypocrite you would have to be a drug abuser. Do you consider your use of LSD to make you that? And what about your use of caffeine? It's important to recognize that there is an extremely significant difference between "use" and "abuse" for anything in life. Most people in general only use LSD, but a pretty significant number of people abuse caffeine.

I feel that I should address a harsh reality: if your parents are anti-drug, then your use of LSD may make them see you as a drug abuser. And I understand why this is such a difficult thought to deal with... but that still doesn't make it actually true. However, another point I'm trying to make here is that these terms are all relative; do you think they would be equally ashamed if you told them you abuse caffeine? And if not, then why should you feel bad about LSD, just because they don't understand it enough to judge your use properly?

Yes and no. There's no easy answer for me.
No: I've only recently started and I'm 29 and have a limited bit of experience to know when to stop and where to draw the lines. I'm not claiming I own the wisdom of a full life.
Yes: Despite keeping myself in check, I catch myself very easily thinking to myself "Well, I can handle LSD, I'm sure I could try candyflipping (who invented that word? Drug culture has more inane terminology than IT), but that lands me with MDMA. I still firmly believe in inherent safeties that prohibit a person to lose control and drugs is simply too alluring to ignore those safeties.

Hmm, well while I think I understand what you're trying to get at, I have to ask: is that wrong? Is it so bad to want to try candyflipping? Do you feel guilty every time you want to try a new sequel video game just because you think it'll be even better than the previous one? It's the exact same neurotransmitters that are making you love the stimulation so much in either situation. The difference is that the video games encourage an anti-social and sedentary lifestyle focused on something that someone else did, whereas the drugs push you to go be social and active and do things yourself.

(I'm not knocking video games in any way, by the way. I don't know what I would do without them.)

It's true that MDMA has more inherent health risks than LSD, and certainly more than video games, but they can be completely avoided by using it properly. If you want to use it the right way, what's wrong with a little fun?

That is simply ridiculous. I didn't know that, no. I can't imagine why?

Why do we get told drugs are bad by the same people who constantly shove them in our faces? It's an absurd world we live in.

In the mind of anti-drug person, LSD can be by far one of the most dangerous drugs there is. It is highly popular, has widespread availability, takes you significantly further away from reality than drugs like cocaine and heroin, lasts much longer than most of those do, and then to top it all off it leaves a very large number of people converted towards a pro-drug mindset after trying it. That is why all traces of LSD and its supporters must be extinguished at all costs.

People, by default, believe what they are told when it comes from a source that the believe (rationally or otherwise) is credible. So, when people are told that LSD has all of these qualities and no redeeming ones by their authority figures, they believe it. This is not their fault... but condemning others for these things without doing more research on their own is. Unfortunately though, the people who designed the laws of the modern world were just not close enough to the issue to care.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

LostAtomsk,

I thought it pertinent to simply give you my experience as a drug user (starting at age 18 and going till the present, I'm almost 23.)

(NSFW'd because it's one long ass post!)

NSFW:

When I first started using drugs, it was drinking (like most kids), but because of the laws in my fucked up country, the U.S.A., it was nigh impossible for my friends and I to find alcohol after our parents all caught onto us stealing their bottles of liquor. So one bored night, I'm hanging out with my two best friends, sober as can be. We gripe about how there's no booze, that this sucks so much... Then my buddy says, "Well, I know someone who can sell us some pot," and thus began my introduction to drugs beyond alcohol (thank god alcohol is illegal till you're 21, otherwise kids might never try drugs since dealers don't ID :D). We picked up the pot, borrowed a pipe from someone, and lit up in my room like complete noobs. All of a sudden we were experiencing things we never had before; objects seemed to have weird auras, everything we said to one another resulted in maniacal laughter, etc.

Skip forward a few months, and my parents and my friend's parents have found out about our pot use. We were teenagers though, and all their efforts to stop us and to tell us that we'll automatically become failures by using pot were of no meaning to us (and rightfully so we'd find out). We admittedly let pot use take over our time a bit, skipping class (why the fuck do they keep you in high school till 18 here??? It's absurd) and getting in a bit of trouble, our grades sinking. I barely graduated high school, but luckily for me, I had been admitted to a public university since my earlier grades we satisfactory and my SAT scores were leaps above the average student.

I went off to college, and the first thing I did in my dorm was start turning people onto pot and searching for sources. I got all my friends into pot and every night we'd head out after dinner and blaze down in sketchy places (had nowhere else to do it). I skipped a lot of classes freshman year, not due to pot, but because for once in my life I was on my own and no one could tell me what to do. I remember that in my early pot days (first semester of college, and my senior year of high school) I became fairly anti-drug outside of pot, like so many naive and ignorant young potheads. I barely ever drank and when I was offered cocaine many times, I always turned it down. I had heard strange stories of the mythical LSD, which for some reason generally had to do with people ripping doors off their walls (go figure)... but my curiosity had become too great.

I began to take an interest in finding mushrooms to try out (as so many first time psych users, I thought it would be 'easier' than LSD) early in my second semester of freshman year. I had learned that my two favorite bands, the Beatles and Animal Collective, had been heavy users of LSD and that their music was very influenced by their experiences with it. When mushrooms failed to appear, my two best friends and I had given up hope. Then one day, one of them came to the other two of us and said, "I know a guy who can get us some LSD." The curiosity had become too great. We bought a ten strip in the parking lot of a grocery store, and stored it away for the next weekend.

Of course, we tried the LSD the next weekend, eating a third of it each thinking that it was weak/bunk. Much to our surprise, we began tripping our balls off, and things we never had thought possible suddenly became a reality. The experience was utterly mind blowing, and the three of us continually talked about it for weeks after, trying to explain to others what we had experienced... yet no words would suffice, one can only understand LSD by taking it.

After that we began seeking out mushrooms and LSD on a more frequent basis, probably tripping every month to two months for a while. My grades became better, I was able to stay in college and discover a spiritual side of myself I had never known existed. For the first time in my life, I began to feel meaning, purpose... even happiness! Psychedelics had offered me the key to the door I had always wanted to open, but could never find the key for before.

The years of college went on, my sophomore year I made almost all A's and B's in school, and while I used pot two to three times daily, I only ever tripped LSD once that year; yet the psychedelic mindset remained with me, and I was able to maintain a healthy balance in my life. No more skipping classes, no more strife with my girlfriend or my family. Junior year came along and it was more of the same, my grades were acceptable and my life was getting better and better. I began lusting after exotic drugs like MXE and 2C-x chems, and after a period of searching I finally came upon a source for them. I began trying exotic chems, and yet my life maintained its consistency and well-being. I continued to use pot daily and it almost never came into conflict with the rest of my life; far from it, it offered me the relief I needed at the end of each day so as I did not slip into depression and uncontrollable anxiety.

Senior year came along and it was once again more of the same. I used pot daily, my amount of tripping actually ramped up to the highest point it has ever been. I graduated from my undergrad career, I received my degree and I moved back home with my folks, and now... here I am.

I see drugs as having been an almost entirely positive influence in my life. Before pot use I had crippling anxiety and depression and OCD-like problems which had held me back in both school as well as social life. Before LSD I had been an atheist who was bigoted and couldn't accept people for who they were. Now years later, I look back on my first LSD experience as the most formative experience of my life; without it, I might still be a bigot, an asshole who cared not for others, who was rude and harsh to his girlfriend... but instead I'm happier than I've ever been. My parents and I get along great now. My girlfriend and I plan to get married soon and we couldn't be happier with one another. I still use drugs including pot and LSD to this day and they continue to offer me positive insight into my life and the nature of reality.

I just wanted to tell my story, because I remember when I was in high school and began using pot... all the adults in my life were telling me I was a fuck up, my dad told me recently he didn't think I would go to college, they all told me that everyone they knew who used drugs in college dropped out. Well I went through college, my friends and I were of all different majors (business, history, computer engineering) and we all used pot daily for the entirety of college, tripped on LSD and other drugs occasionally, and drank like fish on the weekends. And almost all of us graduated, we're in the work force, some of us already starting our 401ks, and you know what? I still use drugs. And it hasn't held me back in the least.

Drugs aren't bad. Society just wants you to think so, so that it can control and mold you into a mindless robot of consumerism. Consume!!! Never let yourself feel guilty for using safe drugs. I still haven't tried cocaine, meth, heroin (although I dabble in script opiates) and while I may in the future at least try cocaine, I plan to never try the real drugs that have ruined lives like methamphetamine and hard opiates. There's nothing wrong with responsible drug use, and I hope you can let yourself understand that and move away from your internal conflict. Until then, us here at BL are here to offer you our stories and to let you know that it's okay to be who you are. Drugs won't ruin your life... far from it, they might save it in many cases! I guarantee you I would have offed myself years ago had I never had drugs to fall back on and to help me regain perspective.

Good luck in life, and never let others tell you what's good or bad for you... especially the government!

 

[yepyepwoah]

Took about 100mg mxe and 20mg 2ce plugged Friday. Man that was a ride. Should donr maybe 5mg less 2ce.

Saturday dosed 20mg 3 meo PCP between 530-730pm. Ended up doing a little mxe around midnight. Decided to dose 15mg 2cb, 25 mg 4 aco met and some more mxe around 230am. Havent really liked 4 aco met so far, but mannnnn that combo was nice. If anyone has seen that new cartoon/kids movie Inside Out, it was like I experienced that. Basically the movie is from the point of view of a little girls emotions and how they influence her actions and memories.and how they are stored. It was like I was inside myself.experiencing that. What a ride

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Of the following substances, which do y'all find to be the most worthwhile (if you've done multiple):

-DOC
-2C-D
-2C-P
-4-FA
-Methylone

 

[SKL]

-DOC

Visually beautiful, intellectual, music is great, but long

-2C-D

Incredibly underrated, visual, lucid, better in high doses or i.m., one of my favorites, would be a great introductory psychedelic or even for clinical use

-2C-P

Overlong and overrated but kinda interesting, meh.

-4-FA

Never had

-Methylone

Crap

 

[yepyepwoah]

I was about to get a G of 2 cd but had to buy parts for my car. It is next on the list I think. How high have you dosed skl?

 

[SKL]

I was about to get a G of 2 cd but had to buy parts for my car. It is next on the list I think. How high have you dosed skl?

I think to 120mg p.o. maybe 150, and 40mg i.m. (trip report)

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^Damn dude, I had a sample of it and I tested it between 10-30mg a few times... and it gave me horrific headaches. It was so painful at 30mg that I've never dosed above 15mg since then. I have no idea how you can get past 50mg, let alone 120mg

 

[SKL]

My favorite 2CD dose was 60-80mg +/-. But I was a hard head to the whole series, I would sometimes take 80mg of 2CB to no ill effect and be fairly functional. I remember doing about that much with some other Bluelighters and scaring the shit out of them thinking I was going to be totally spun and they were more out of it on regular doses, I was just enjoying some rainbows in Central Park and they were blankly starting out into space. I once knew this Eastern European lunatic who would take 2CB to something like 250mg. I wouldn't dare that but yeah, I'm pretty hardheaded to these drugs. Different strokes. 2CD is much less potent stuff. Never had any trouble with headaches or body load except nausea when i.m.'ing what turned out to be an excessive dose. In fact, I found it to had a bit of an analgesic quality. Like I said, different strokes and for HR's sake please don't start at the doses I'm talking about. I think a good starting dose would be (after an allergy test/small dose if you want make sure there are no ill effects) would be 40mg p.o./10mg i.m.

 

[Listening]

Gently rinsing
past and future,
present through and through.

So convincing
is the sun
to light the world anew.

Something's missing
lost, or trapped!
How can I atone?

Nothing's missing;
trees are apt
to grow their roots alone.

Love.

 

[Xorkoth]

I just posted my trip report of my 4-HO-DPT trial: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/772206-4-HO-DPT-(w-MXE-4-HO-MiPT)-First-Time-Curiously-Deep

Of the following substances, which do y'all find to be the most worthwhile (if you've done multiple):

-DOC
-2C-D
-2C-P
-4-FA
-Methylone

DOC is my favorite of these for sure, but you probably knew that. It's a really great psychedelic, full-spectrum, warm, beautiful, energetic, visual, but like SKL said, it is very long. Definitely one to take in the morning... my favorite days to take it are days I plan to spend the majority of daylight out in nature with a tripping companion, having adventures, and then the night hanging out with friends at night and playing music. It's also great for camping trips. it would be good for anything where you're active (GREAT for music festivals), because in my substantial experience I have found it's very comfortable if you have an outlet for your energy, but can be jangly if you don't.

2C-D and 2C-P are also good, not my favorite 2Cs though. I like 4-FA alright, but after the first 2 times I used it I found the side effects not really worth it. I personally love methylone, I actually tend to enjoy it more than MDMA but it's different, it's sort of cocaine-like as well as empathogenic, and quite short. But if not abused it has absolutely no negative side effects for me, it leaves me feeling good and clean and satisfied with no hangover.