itsonlyme123
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Anybody received the free etizolam replacements that are being offered, and if so how do they compare?
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Etizolam replacement
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5StarSquatHotel
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The closet thing to a replacement bar the new version of etzi (as lets face it, it would be shit I imagine) would be Pyrazolam but you would need to take like 4mg for an equal effect of 1mg of etzi. If you are looking for just a all round decent benzo then as above I would say Clonzolam and have heard good things about it.
furryfreek
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If you have a decent set of scales, are comfortable with volumetric dosing and can trust yourself with a relatively large stash, etizolam can still be found in powder form these days. I'm sure I've seen some etizest/intas (not so sure about generic pellets) still about too, though they work out being somewhat less economical than the powder so I've not personally bothered with any of them.
steewith2ees
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Did anyone work out what the *uniquely branded* pellets currently being offered by one of the 'high street' net vendors contains? The company in question sent me an email stating that their new *uniquely branded* pellets offer a perfect alternative to etizolam - being responsible vendors they describe the pellets as containing 'the active ingredient', and requested that customers do not request any further information regarding the chemical content.
Despite this being the worst example of RC retailing outside of a physical head shop, the vendor in question is adamant that *this uniquely branded pellet product* is identical in effect to etizolam. The fact that the product looks exactly like the blue vendor pressed etizolam pellets seems to suggest that they are just that. I never saw the attraction of Etizolam, having tried both of the blistered indian brands that used to be so widely available, but those who regard Etiz as their sedative of choice never seemed happy with the vendor pellets which allegedly were underdosed (tho as someone who could eat a 10 strip of Etilaam and feel back to normal within less than an hour, i cant imagine how much shitter they could be). When the blistered tablets dried up, it seems that hardly any Etizolam fans took to the vendor pellets, opting for raw powder, or, more sensibly, swapping onto one of the many excellent RC benzodiazepines available at the moment, all of which are superior to Etizolam IMO (One noted exception being flubromazolam which is too unpredictable to be of any serious use + Im not even bringing Deschloro into the conversation, as it sounds even worse than its popular analogue, and like Etiz it isnt even a proper benzodiazepine anyway)
Sorry to witter, to much 3fpm with my morning coffee, but it probably doesnt take a genius to deduce that *this uniquely branded pellet product* appears to be a desperate ploy to get rid of the vendor pressed Etizolam pellets which seem generally considered to be even shite-er than the indian pharms.
Anyone messing around with benzos should be well aware of the pitfalls surrounding this class of drug so im not going to repeat what should be well known HR - all I can say is that anyone who feels the need to use these drugs should really have a look a clonazolam first. In my misguided but very personal opinion, fluibromazepam is the most impressive, but with such a latent onset and its insane half life its only going to be of use if you dont have a job or any complicated commitments. Personally I love spending 24 hours in a benzed out fug, but im a fucking junky so that sort of thing appeals to sad acts such as myself.
Despite this being the worst example of RC retailing outside of a physical head shop, the vendor in question is adamant that *this uniquely branded pellet product* is identical in effect to etizolam. The fact that the product looks exactly like the blue vendor pressed etizolam pellets seems to suggest that they are just that. I never saw the attraction of Etizolam, having tried both of the blistered indian brands that used to be so widely available, but those who regard Etiz as their sedative of choice never seemed happy with the vendor pellets which allegedly were underdosed (tho as someone who could eat a 10 strip of Etilaam and feel back to normal within less than an hour, i cant imagine how much shitter they could be). When the blistered tablets dried up, it seems that hardly any Etizolam fans took to the vendor pellets, opting for raw powder, or, more sensibly, swapping onto one of the many excellent RC benzodiazepines available at the moment, all of which are superior to Etizolam IMO (One noted exception being flubromazolam which is too unpredictable to be of any serious use + Im not even bringing Deschloro into the conversation, as it sounds even worse than its popular analogue, and like Etiz it isnt even a proper benzodiazepine anyway)
Sorry to witter, to much 3fpm with my morning coffee, but it probably doesnt take a genius to deduce that *this uniquely branded pellet product* appears to be a desperate ploy to get rid of the vendor pressed Etizolam pellets which seem generally considered to be even shite-er than the indian pharms.
Anyone messing around with benzos should be well aware of the pitfalls surrounding this class of drug so im not going to repeat what should be well known HR - all I can say is that anyone who feels the need to use these drugs should really have a look a clonazolam first. In my misguided but very personal opinion, fluibromazepam is the most impressive, but with such a latent onset and its insane half life its only going to be of use if you dont have a job or any complicated commitments. Personally I love spending 24 hours in a benzed out fug, but im a fucking junky so that sort of thing appeals to sad acts such as myself.
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itsonlyme123
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I think people have missed the point. I got an email from a well known vendr asking if i wanted to sample an ''etizolam replacement'' and then give open and honest feedback.
I just wndered if anybdy else had had the same email and sampled this ''replacement''
I just wndered if anybdy else had had the same email and sampled this ''replacement''
mydrugbuddy
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thread goes off topic shocker. Narh ive not been offered anything. As other people have said there are other better RCs than etiz. Although etiz is meant to be more forgiving to taper off of, being a thieno benzo, not a true benzo, ive read a lot of people say that, so i might get back on it after several months off, to lower my taper another few levels, ive no idea how true it is, or how much its one of those YMMV things.
mydrugbuddy
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i thought that was what they were 'subtly' trying to suggest. Im half interested in stocking up on proper etilaams, but not at those prices. It would be very useful to have more proper pharma grade pellets, but i might as well make use of that powder ive already bought. I was one of the many dismayed by the vendor pressed benzo pills, when they stopped selling etilaams, and not just etiz pills either, most types of vendo benzo pills seem to have wild variations of active ingredient. Vendor Diclaz pellets are absolutely terrible for that. Thats no good at all if you have to be able to wake up on time in the mornings.
I've had to edit a post up there as the branded product mentioned is only sold by one vendor so having that name here is essentially an advert for that particular vendor. I know it wasn't intended that way, and I also know it makes identifying the active ingredient(s) rather trickier than usual, but in repsonse I would suggest boycotting vendors who refuse to disclose what their products contain. Beyond that, maybe try one of the forums that allow vendor discussion because any product name that links back to a vendor is iffy (I do realise there have been such situations in the past, anybody especially concerned should feel free to bring the topic up for discussion in the Metathread as it is a legitimate concern) but linking to one specific vendor is just a whole can of worms on top of that. As such, can we all please try to avoid using brandnames wherever possible and especially so if the particular product is only sold by one vendor.
steewith2ees
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Sorry Shambles - Its just that I actually started a thread upon receiving the promotional email a few weeks back entitled 'Uniquely Branded Pellets' to query the ridiculous nature of a vendor attempting to sell a product without providing any information about its contents. That thread was allowed to run and is still open as far as Im aware, so Ive already fucked up as despite not naming the vendor I and other contributors to the thread used the product name multiple times without one edit from a mod. You might have to dig that one out. Im really sorry - Im always very careful not to specify sources and despite the fact that this was a recent promotion, the brand name in question had been in circulation for some time to describe various RC products so as i had been allowed to freely discuss it before I didnt think it would be a problem - I just thought that snake oil sales tactics were worth some discussion with regards to HR.
With regards to going off topic - I brought the 'Uniquely Branded Pellets' back into the discussion as they were advertised as an etizolam replacement and it appears that I have described what the OP appears to have been offered. Am I hallucinating or is that the core gist of the thread.
Sorry for being naughty Shambles, in retrospect your edits were totally justified but leaves me with a inconsistent impression of the forums moderation. Your the most experienced mod on here mate so it could be good if everyone could apply your standards, so im not left looking like a reckless twat who couldnt give a shit about the blua
With regards to going off topic - I brought the 'Uniquely Branded Pellets' back into the discussion as they were advertised as an etizolam replacement and it appears that I have described what the OP appears to have been offered. Am I hallucinating or is that the core gist of the thread.
Sorry for being naughty Shambles, in retrospect your edits were totally justified but leaves me with a inconsistent impression of the forums moderation. Your the most experienced mod on here mate so it could be good if everyone could apply your standards, so im not left looking like a reckless twat who couldnt give a shit about the blua
Thanks for the extra info, Stee. I found two threads referring to two different "uniquely branded pellet products" and have unapproved them both for now. No need for apologise because, as noted, there has never been much in the way of consistency when it comes to branded products.
On the specifics of the name of the product you mentioned in this and one of the other threads, it's not something I am familiar with personally but I googled "*brandname* pellets* and the top result was the vendor in question and I saw no other vendors stocking a product of the same name so it appears they are the only ones selling it. It was the specificity that was the real concern with me. When several vendors stock a product of the same name (Benzo Fury would one that leaps to mind) at least it doesn't promote a single vendor's products over others. It is true that the same googling I did here would return vendors selling the product but I must say it feels different where there is but one stockist.
Whilst I know you are definitely not shilling, it would make it very hard to deal with people actually shilling. Again, it's the exclusivity to a single seller that is my main issue. Brandnames in general are hard to avoid, but in the case of a vendor being the only provider of a specific branded product it seems like it could potentially open the door to vendors in general realising all they need to do to get free advertising on BL is to come up with original brandnames for their products.
You are absolutely correct that EADD (and wider BL) policy on branded RCs has always been somewhat vague and changeable. I'm going to bring the subject up for discussion with the rest of the EADD staff and see if we can actually get a proper set policy down so everybody knows what is and what is not allowable and hopefully bring a bit of consistency because i completly agree that is what is required and has so far been absent. The issue is not going to go away so we really need to get a handle on it.
On the specifics of the name of the product you mentioned in this and one of the other threads, it's not something I am familiar with personally but I googled "*brandname* pellets* and the top result was the vendor in question and I saw no other vendors stocking a product of the same name so it appears they are the only ones selling it. It was the specificity that was the real concern with me. When several vendors stock a product of the same name (Benzo Fury would one that leaps to mind) at least it doesn't promote a single vendor's products over others. It is true that the same googling I did here would return vendors selling the product but I must say it feels different where there is but one stockist.
Whilst I know you are definitely not shilling, it would make it very hard to deal with people actually shilling. Again, it's the exclusivity to a single seller that is my main issue. Brandnames in general are hard to avoid, but in the case of a vendor being the only provider of a specific branded product it seems like it could potentially open the door to vendors in general realising all they need to do to get free advertising on BL is to come up with original brandnames for their products.
You are absolutely correct that EADD (and wider BL) policy on branded RCs has always been somewhat vague and changeable. I'm going to bring the subject up for discussion with the rest of the EADD staff and see if we can actually get a proper set policy down so everybody knows what is and what is not allowable and hopefully bring a bit of consistency because i completly agree that is what is required and has so far been absent. The issue is not going to go away so we really need to get a handle on it.
Bleaney
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I now think OP may have been talking about Tofisopam, which some vendors have been advertising, misleadingly, as an "Etizolam replacement" over the last few years. Probably because all clearnet vendors that I know of, have been out of stock of Etizolam for at least a year or 2, and so they know it's in very high demand. They may struggle to shift a relatively unknown product like Tofisopam, so someone's come up with the rather clever, if not very accurate, description, probably to try to boost sales on their platforms.
I've ordered and tried some, and looked it up on wikipedia, and it's absolutely nothing like Etizolam in it's effects, or mode of action.
The only similarities are that Tofisopam, like Etizolam is also chemically distinct from other benzos, and also like Etiz it has lower risks of dependence issues, or to be more precise, etiz is more forgiving than traditional benzos when it comes to dependence issues. Etiz has some weird reverse tolerance action that I don't understand tbh, and I'm not sure what Tofisopam's modes of actions and other features are. I only tried a few pills, didnt like them very much, and haven't really taken any more since, nor looked into it any further.
Totally unlike etizolam, Tofisopam fucks with dopamine, as it "exhibits mixed dopamine agonist and antagonist properties, which is highly atypical for anxiolytic agent".
I really don't need my benzos to be doing anything to my dopamine receptors or levels, I don't think they have any business to be doing that, to put it in laymans terms. At least if they stick to GABA receptors it's more straightforward to know what you're dealing with. Benzo like substances that also fuck with the dopamine receptors, risk all sorts of unforseen consequences, and that may have been why I did not enjoy the few samples that I tried.
I've ordered and tried some, and looked it up on wikipedia, and it's absolutely nothing like Etizolam in it's effects, or mode of action.
The only similarities are that Tofisopam, like Etizolam is also chemically distinct from other benzos, and also like Etiz it has lower risks of dependence issues, or to be more precise, etiz is more forgiving than traditional benzos when it comes to dependence issues. Etiz has some weird reverse tolerance action that I don't understand tbh, and I'm not sure what Tofisopam's modes of actions and other features are. I only tried a few pills, didnt like them very much, and haven't really taken any more since, nor looked into it any further.
Totally unlike etizolam, Tofisopam fucks with dopamine, as it "exhibits mixed dopamine agonist and antagonist properties, which is highly atypical for anxiolytic agent".
What is the mechanism of action of Tofisopam?
Tofisopam is a 2,3-benzodiazepine that does not bind to classical benzodiazepine or GABA receptors, but instead acts primarily as a selective phosphodiestera...
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I really don't need my benzos to be doing anything to my dopamine receptors or levels, I don't think they have any business to be doing that, to put it in laymans terms. At least if they stick to GABA receptors it's more straightforward to know what you're dealing with. Benzo like substances that also fuck with the dopamine receptors, risk all sorts of unforseen consequences, and that may have been why I did not enjoy the few samples that I tried.
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