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MDAI purity? White vs. Brown?

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iv been doing quite a bit of research on this and there are plenty of mixed reviews. some people say that mdai is supposed to be white while others say its brown but im not sure who to believe...
 
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oh yes and how can i tell the purity of it? or if there is any mdai at all. can i use a regular mdma/ speep/ whatever test kit such as sulphuric acid
 
You can use a standard kit to test for MDAI - you will not be able to test the strength or purity though.

If you look at the following thread there is an indication of what results you should expect from both the white and tan versions.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512598

If you ask about in some of the other sections you will get a better idea of which one people found to be the nicest / cleanest high.

Please remember that no vedor discussion is allowed on the site and if you ask for a supplier you will receive an infraction / ban etc
 
^Yes, you can test for the purity using marquis etc, it IS an MDXX chemical so my understanding is it would show up as such. The thing is that if you're using an internet vendor the purity is generally very high, and different vendors can have the same substances that are different colors (someone once ordered some 2ce from one place, and I saw it, it was completely white, and a different source had yellow-ish 2ce, but the effects were the same). Generally, its either MDAI or its not when it comes to these things, its not likely to be "cut" or inactive.... as long as you used a reputable source (google "safe or scam" if you want to find a website that gives reviews for vendors, not just rc's but all web vendors from what i know, I dont think this is breaking any rules because this site does not list sources, you type in the url of where you got it and it gives you reviews of other people who used this site).

I just broke a sourcing rule a few days ago so I'm trying to be careful, and its against the rules to openly discuss your source, even though it would help you to in this case. Just check the vendor's rating and in the future, only use sources that are reliable. There have been deaths from vendors that mixed up their rc's...

As for the actual color of MDAI, I have never seen it myself, but if molly can vary so greatly in color I'm sure this can too. I think it is generally white. But since MD can be brownish, why cant MDAI? What is the color of 4-aco-dmt? Some will say white, some will say brown. I say its in between. =P

EDIT: If testing it gives you weird results or the vendor turns out to be a fraud, dont use it.
 
Pure MDAI DOES NOT look like a typical MDxx on marquis. In fact, even dirty MDAI doesnt.

Mandellin turns brown, and and Marquis is brown if it's impure, and clear if it's pure. The ones in my test result thread don't include any actual clean MDAI - i just recently got some, and havn't gotten around to posting the results.
 
i just recently tested mine in marquis a few times, first time fizzed and turned white with a green tint and second time fizzed and turned completely white
 
Mercc96 said:
i just recently tested mine in marquis a few times, first time fizzed and turned white with a green tint and second time fizzed and turned completely white
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Was that the same batch turning different colors? o_o

In any case
MARQUIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO TELL MDAI FROM COMMON CHEMICALS USED IN FAKE MDAI.

Pure, super clean, MDAI will not turn Marquis a color - however, MDAI that pure is very rare, and vendors frequently ship UK-illegal cathinones* as MDAI - and many cathinones also do not change the color of marquis.

MDAI will turn mecke brown, while the cathinones which don't produce color with marquis will not.

Also, smell the MDAI. Clean MDAI, if it has any smell at all, will smell vaguely like root beer. If it smells like a cathinone (I assume you know what meph and it's ilk smell like - all the cathinones smell pretty much the same), you know for sure it's either fake, or has been cut with a cathinone (both of which are very common, unfortunately)


*Cathinones that won't color marquis are basically any cathinones other than methylone, butylone, and MDPV. Mephedrone, 3-FMC, buph, ethcat, 4-EMC, 4-MEC, 3,4-DMMC and the like all produce almost no color change in response to Marquis/Mecke, and a faint yellow to Mandellin.
 
well i just tested out around 100mg of the brown mdai (dark brown, almost like the color of chocolate milk powder mix)... i would definitely there are no issues with purity in this batch!!!! I must say i was pleasantly surprised... i didn't find mdai as benign as i thought it would be. It was one of the nicer drug experiences i've had in several months.
 
cerebral_cortex said:
well i just tested out around 100mg of the brown mdai (dark brown, almost like the color of chocolate milk powder mix)... i would definitely there are no issues with purity in this batch!!!! I must say i was pleasantly surprised... i didn't find mdai as benign as i thought it would be. It was one of the nicer drug experiences i've had in several months.
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Active and good, do not mean the same thing as pure. Some of the brown batches (particularly the stuff from a well known and now defunct asian vendor) were under 50% pure.
Not that it wasn't active, but unless you've compared it to a batch that is known to be pure, you can't really say that there isn't a problem with purity.

MDAI is nice stuff, though it really shines only in combination with a stimulant. I found MDAI to be quite benign though - what sideffects did you observe from it?
 
TheAzo said:
MDAI is nice stuff, though it really shines only in combination with a stimulant. I found MDAI to be quite benign though - what sideffects did you observe from it?
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Maybe a bad choice of words on my behalf - the experience was a nice, light, smooth trip - but it was more than i expected. I felt some definite stimulant effects which i was not expecting ... became a bit more chatty than usual, i didn't have any desire to eat all night (dosed at 5:30pm), and had trouble sleeping until about 2am or so (usual bedtime 11-1am). I had also read many reports about people getting drowsy or feeling sedated - but i didn't really feel this ..

anyways, i look forward to trying this with a bit of dexedrine soon - as it's the only stimulant i have access to currently. (and then methylone after that!)
 
cerebral_cortex said:
Maybe a bad choice of words on my behalf - the experience was a nice, light, smooth trip - but it was more than i expected. I felt some definite stimulant effects which i was not expecting ... became a bit more chatty than usual, i didn't have any desire to eat all night (dosed at 5:30pm), and had trouble sleeping until about 2am or so (usual bedtime 11-1am). I had also read many reports about people getting drowsy or feeling sedated - but i didn't really feel this ..

anyways, i look forward to trying this with a bit of dexedrine soon - as it's the only stimulant i have access to currently. (and then methylone after that!)
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Strange - you sure it's not adulterated with a stimulant? That sounds like MDAI + stimulant, not clean MDAI.
Quick test: Give yours a smell - does it smell like mephedrone/cathinones? If it smells like cathinones, it's already spiked with some cathinone stimulant. This test is quick and easy, and won't give a false positive (there's no reason MDAI should ever smell like cathinones do), but clean samples of cathinones often don't smell (the smell is an impurity that's hard to get rid of and smells strongly)

If it passes that, you can confirm absence of cathinones with Simons (it should be negative on simons - no secondary amine present). Then test with marquis (look for a yellow flash indicating MDPV/MDPBP/MDPPP).

Failure on either of those tests means that it's got a stimulant added. If it passes both, it's likely unadulterated - it could have some other class of stimulant in it, but the path of least resistance for a stimulant additive is a cathinone, or MDPV. I can think of a few that would get through these tests, but they're obscure.
 
no smell at all...

the vendor i got it from (canadian) posted on their website that the mdai has been tested and is "95% pure through GC/MS and elemental flame analysis tests"
 
cerebral_cortex said:
no smell at all...

the vendor i got it from (canadian) posted on their website that the mdai has been tested and is "95% pure through GC/MS and elemental flame analysis tests"
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Well, those guys definitely wouldn't cut it/add stuff to it. 5% content of very brown crud could make the whole batch look nasty, i suppose.

You appear to just be lucky with how it effects you, then.
 
TheAzo said:
Was that the same batch turning different colors? o_o

In any case
MARQUIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO TELL MDAI FROM COMMON CHEMICALS USED IN FAKE MDAI.

Pure, super clean, MDAI will not turn Marquis a color - however, MDAI that pure is very rare, and vendors frequently ship UK-illegal cathinones* as MDAI - and many cathinones also do not change the color of marquis.

MDAI will turn mecke brown, while the cathinones which don't produce color with marquis will not.

Also, smell the MDAI. Clean MDAI, if it has any smell at all, will smell vaguely like root beer. If it smells like a cathinone (I assume you know what meph and it's ilk smell like - all the cathinones smell pretty much the same), you know for sure it's either fake, or has been cut with a cathinone (both of which are very common, unfortunately)


*Cathinones that won't color marquis are basically any cathinones other than methylone, butylone, and MDPV. Mephedrone, 3-FMC, buph, ethcat, 4-EMC, 4-MEC, 3,4-DMMC and the like all produce almost no color change in response to Marquis/Mecke, and a faint yellow to Mandellin.
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Ok, so then what about Simon's reagent? Since all (commonly recreationally used) cathinones are secondary amines, and MDAI is a primary amine, then couldn't Simon's be used to rule out the presence of the former if it doesn't react?

Edit: Nvm, question already answered
 
I have some very pure MDAI, which is Pure white and looks more like cocaine rather then an MDxx substance (more powdery rather then crystally if that makes sense).
 
At ecstasydata.org, if you search MDAI you can see the content of "white MDAI" and "brown MDAI." It turns out that MDAI is actually white, and the brown product was extremely impure. Note that that doesn't mean all brown MDAI is extremely impure, but it does mean that the brown indicates impurity.
 
Hello, I experimented with 1g of MDMA yesterday and after about 2 hours sleep this morning a package arrived containing....... MDAI.
Does anybody know if it would be dangerous to do 1g of MDMA yesterday and then 500mg of MDAI tonight. Thanks
 
Kristian66 said:
Hello, I experimented with 1g of MDMA yesterday and after about 2 hours sleep this morning a package arrived containing....... MDAI.
Does anybody know if it would be dangerous to do 1g of MDMA yesterday and then 500mg of MDAI tonight. Thanks
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Bit late to reply, but anyway: if you've done a full gram of the stuff and weren't so completely wasted it wasn't fun anymore, it wasn't MDMA or it was horribly impure. Also, MDAI being a serotonin releaser will probably have cross-tolerance with MDMA. But again, it probably wasn't even MDMA you took so you have no way of knowing what the possible interactions with MDAI could be. Buy a testkit and I would wait a good while before you try out the MDAI. And finally, 500mg in itself is a huge dose for MDAI, why so much? Or are you planning to take it in multiple doses?
 
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