Benzo advice - Etizolam first timer

[TheDesignerTester]

Hello everyone, I know I'm new here but I would like some advice, anything is good..
After a little experience with diazepam, I decided to try out diclazepam. I was taking these for weeks and found that these where great but didn't pack the same punch that diazepam did.. Even though these could be horrible with blackouts.
So I did some research and found that etizolam is very strong and better than diclazepam.
So I have ordered some powder of this chemical and plan to weigh it out carefully to make some bombs for myself. Hopefully I can have fun with this as I came off diazepam and diclazepam very easily and haven't taken any benzodiazepines in over a month. But I do miss the feeling and benefits.. I sometimes get bad insomnia and mild anxiety so taking some benzodiazepine at the end of a day can really help, even when not taking all day every day.
So yeah, does anyone have any advice when taking etizolam? The worst I would do is mix these this alcohol. But since abusing nasty M-Cat in the past (those days are behind me) I have learnt a lot of self control with everything that I take. Even though I'm very sober now compared with what I use to be like.
Thanks anyway for the advice anyway
PS, All of the substances here are legal in my country and I know it's my own choice to take them and many will think I'm stupid to do so.. So please respect my decision.

 

[masaz]

Be very careful especially when mixing with alcohol, I thought I'd be fine to do the same so took 3mg Etiz and was about halfway through my second pint of cider before everything is a blur and I woke up a day and a half later. I had a huge alcohol tolerance so thought I'd be ok as previously 3mg had given noticeable but not expected effects, and it absolutely destroyed me. Aside from that if you're intent on using it for anxiety etc then try not to use it every day and be bloody rigid with setting yourself limits with it. If you start to build up tolerance, ease off for a while and keep an eye out for withdrawals I guess! Self control is good but it's an awful easy substance to get hooked on, 1mg diazepam has historically never done much for me but 1mg etizolam is noticeable for real especially if someone has no tolerance. 2mg had my missus KO'd for about 14 hours with occasional prior benzo use

edit: i recall a good rule of thumb was 1mg etiz = 10mg diaz, but it's been a good year and a half since i bought any and about two years since i cared about anything like that ha

 

[Don Luigi]

The tolerance is definitely a thing to look out for. I found that the tolerance had a much greater impact on how euphoric I found them, but not so much impact on the physical effects - the delusion that I looked and walked as I normally do! I was lucky not to lose my job.

 

[furryfreek]

So I have ordered some powder of this chemical and plan to weigh it out carefully to make some bombs for myself.

Pure etizolam bombs are a baaaad idea - it's way too potent to do that safely, even for someone with significant tolerance. Your best bet would be to weigh out some (~20mgs or so) with milligram scales (these are a must if you haven't got a set already - they're like £20 on eBay) and prepare a 1mg/ml solution. Etizolam isn't water-soluble but PG or spirit alcohol (e.g. vodka or whisky) will dissolve it easily enough.

 

[TheDesignerTester]

Be very careful especially when mixing with alcohol, I thought I'd be fine to do the same so took 3mg Etiz and was about halfway through my second pint of cider before everything is a blur and I woke up a day and a half later. I had a huge alcohol tolerance so thought I'd be ok as previously 3mg had given noticeable but not expected effects, and it absolutely destroyed me. Aside from that if you're intent on using it for anxiety etc then try not to use it every day and be bloody rigid with setting yourself limits with it. If you start to build up tolerance, ease off for a while and keep an eye out for withdrawals I guess! Self control is good but it's an awful easy substance to get hooked on, 1mg diazepam has historically never done much for me but 1mg etizolam is noticeable for real especially if someone has no tolerance. 2mg had my missus KO'd for about 14 hours with occasional prior benzo use

edit: i recall a good rule of thumb was 1mg etiz = 10mg diaz, but it's been a good year and a half since i bought any and about two years since i cared about anything like that ha

I see, well I have mixed some benzos with alcohol before and found the blackouts to be very anoyying but never that bad other than once where all I remember was smashing my face on a curb. Ever since I have been very careful. However because I'm getting the powder this time the 1mg doses will be slightly off so would it be that bad if I accidentally took 2mg of this?
I can take a good 4mg of diclazepam. Yet I know that it is a lot weaker effects to etizolam.
Well I'll probably give it a miss tonight (as I'm drinking then it would be my first time trying this benzo). I'll try it when I'm sober tomorrow. Let's just hope I don't have other ideas later.
Does anyone know if these are more Morish than other benzos?

 

[TheDesignerTester]

Pure etizolam bombs are a baaaad idea - it's way too potent to do that safely, even for someone with significant tolerance. Your best bet would be to weigh out some (~20mgs or so) with milligram scales (these are a must if you haven't got a set already - they're like £20 on eBay) and prepare a 1mg/ml solution. Etizolam isn't water-soluble but PG or spirit alcohol (e.g. vodka or whisky) will dissolve it easily enough.

Okay so I could use vodka to mix this and split the liquid and just drink the small amount in regards to how much of the etizo I wish to consume?
Would this mean there is equal doses? I have heard a lot of people doing this with PG liquid but I wouldn't like to really drink that..

 

[Don Luigi]

I found them to be quite morish because I never blacked out on them, despite taking silly amounts of them. That's not to say that it's not possible. As you say, it's better to exercise caution.

Making it into solution for volumetric dosing should be fairly accurate but make sure you have something accurate to measure it with, such as a syringe.

 

[TheDesignerTester]

Did you ever mix these with other drugs or alcohol? What was that like?
I have also read that unlike other benzos these can leave you feeling pretty groggy the next day.
Also (last question, lol) how long do they take to fully kick in? As in when should I know that it's safe to take another if needed and not have the first to hit me harder than it already is?
Thanks anyway

 

[Tangerine Dream]

2mg of etizolam and some beers and I turn into a different person. Aggressive, argumentative, arse-hole. Or so I'm told... as I forget most of what happened. Suffice to say I don't mix the two any more. I know I'm not the only one who has this happen with that combo.

 

[furryfreek]

You really need to be careful and exercise self-control with any benzos. People often (quite irresponsibly IMO) say that addiction isn't really a risk if you have self-control and there is some truth in that, but no one's sense of self-control is completely infallible.. especially when they're on benzos.

You kind of sound like your primary intent is to use your etizolam recreationally, which really isn't the best direction to come at it from. Benzos are extremely powerful tools - we're talking JCB's; not Black 'n' Decker and certainly not fucking Fisher Price. With that said, though, they certainly can be pleasant, it's just that you're far better off thinking of that as an added bonus to well reasoned use in the right circumstances.

I don't find grogginess to be an issue so long as I take a reasonable amount (<=1mg w/o tolerance) fairly early in the evening (~7pm - a bit before I eat dinner). I don't find it to be immediately sedating anyway - it's just nice and wobbly for a couple of hours or so before the sedation particularly kicks in. I take stimulants for ADHD every day so I'm somewhat immune to sedation much of the time nowadays but before I started on them, etiz was a very reliable sleeping aid.. Sometimes too reliable if I took it too late in the evening - that caused me to oversleep pretty badly a number of times, so I now always take the precaution of setting two alarms (both in different, awkward and sometimes hidden places) if I have work the next day. Come to think of it, though, even on the mornings it made me oversleep it never made me feel particularly groggy.. I'm sure that could be an issue with larger doses though.

Mixing with alcohol, or any other depressants in general, generally isn't a good idea unless it's literally just 1mg of etiz and a single pint of average strength beer (w/o tolerance to either). I think that can be a nice combo but many people would find it pretty underwhelming at such doses. Much more than that, though, and you can say bye bye to your inhibitions, memory and better judgement. If you're one of those people who normally suffers anxiety/paranoia from weed, I've heard that can be a great combo but I personally find that benzos make the weed high less noticeable so I end up smoking loads more than normal without feeling like I've got properly stoned.

I'd say the three main things it's really best for are:
* To sooth nasty comedowns
* To _occasionally_ assist sleep (no more than once/twice a week or less if possible - the risk of addiction is as much about frequency of use as it is dosage, IMO)
* To abort bad trips or as a pre-treatment to prevent them in the first place

I find it takes about 30-45mins to take effect, though I often start feeling it a little almost immediately. Re-dosing is okay if you're careful, I'd advise against increments of more than 0.5mg and it's best not to re-dose more than once or twice and not at all if it's your first time. The thing is, there's a very real risk you'll black out and forgot (to care that) you already re-dosed 9 times.

 

[Ismene]

Be careful with this fucking shite. Just taking it off and on for a couple of weeks will be enough to make you feel suicidal when you stop taking the bastard.

 

[TheDesignerTester]

You really need to be careful and exercise self-control with any benzos. People often (quite irresponsibly IMO) say that addiction isn't really a risk if you have self-control and there is some truth in that, but no one's sense of self-control is completely infallible.. especially when they're on benzos.

You kind of sound like your primary intent is to use your etizolam recreationally, which really isn't the best direction to come at it from. Benzos are extremely powerful tools - we're talking JCB's; not Black 'n' Decker and certainly not fucking Fisher Price. With that said, though, they certainly can be pleasant, it's just that you're far better off thinking of that as an added bonus to well reasoned use in the right circumstances.

I don't find grogginess to be an issue so long as I take a reasonable amount (<=1mg w/o tolerance) fairly early in the evening (~7pm - a bit before I eat dinner). I don't find it to be immediately sedating anyway - it's just nice and wobbly for a couple of hours or so before the sedation particularly kicks in. I take stimulants for ADHD every day so I'm somewhat immune to sedation much of the time nowadays but before I started on them, etiz was a very reliable sleeping aid.. Sometimes too reliable if I took it too late in the evening - that caused me to oversleep pretty badly a number of times, so I now always take the precaution of setting two alarms (both in different, awkward and sometimes hidden places) if I have work the next day. Come to think of it, though, even on the mornings it made me oversleep it never made me feel particularly groggy.. I'm sure that could be an issue with larger doses though.

Mixing with alcohol, or any other depressants in general, generally isn't a good idea unless it's literally just 1mg of etiz and a single pint of average strength beer (w/o tolerance to either). I think that can be a nice combo but many people would find it pretty underwhelming at such doses. Much more than that, though, and you can say bye bye to your inhibitions, memory and better judgement. If you're one of those people who normally suffers anxiety/paranoia from weed, I've heard that can be a great combo but I personally find that benzos make the weed high less noticeable so I end up smoking loads more than normal without feeling like I've got properly stoned.

I'd say the three main things it's really best for are:
* To sooth nasty comedowns
* To _occasionally_ assist sleep (no more than once/twice a week or less if possible - the risk of addiction is as much about frequency of use as it is dosage, IMO)
* To abort bad trips or as a pre-treatment to prevent them in the first place

I find it takes about 30-45mins to take effect, though I often start feeling it a little almost immediately. Re-dosing is okay if you're careful, I'd advise against increments of more than 0.5mg and it's best not to re-dose more than once and not at all if it's your first time. The thing is, there's a very real risk you'll black out and forgot (to care that) you already re-dosed 9 times.

Thank you for all the information, I think you have answered all of the questions that I have about this substance. The only thing left is for me to test it out myself and find out what it really is like.
I understand everything that you said about taking it and when it right to take a benzo.. It is a lot like taking other benzos like I have done in the past. there is a time and a place and you have to remain in control, even though it's very possible to be able to abuse these without realising. But I was simply wondering if this one was different to abusing other benzos like I have before.
I will probably have a good time with these for a while and then move onto something else when I get board. I've done this with many many substances (even though benzos can really help some aspects of my well being also). But I can't smoke pot anymore due to paranoier and some trips can be a hell to sleep after so I believe this should help will them also if I choose to do some while having some of this. Does this really help with anxiety with pot because I can't smoke it due to this reason anymore.
Thanks for the help and information anyway

 

[DrGreenthumb]

You can't weigh out bombs, 1mg of etizolam is about equal to 10mg diazepam, scales that can weigh under 10mg accurately are very expensive. Usually people with benzo powders dissolve a known amount in a known amount of liquid (not water soluble, so propylene glycol or something).

Diclazepam is much stronger than diazepam too, if you've been weighing powder then you will have built up a large tolerance & physical dependency. That's why it doesn't work, the drug is strong, but you've taken too much & got tolerant/addicted. Most other benzos wont work for you while you're in that state. You can't stop taking it either, or you're at risk of dangerous seizures.

Really you need to see a doctor & get a supervised benzo taper. Be honest with the doctor & get some proper diazepam in properly dosed pharmaceutical pills, along with a plan to get off them safely. Benzos are only any use for very short term use.

 

[ColtDan]

Be careful with this fucking shite. Just taking it off and on for a couple of weeks will be enough to make you feel suicidal when you stop taking the bastard.

This.

It rebounds hard. useful stuff but can be very nasty. i try and avoid it these days

 

[TheDesignerTester]

I broke up with my girlfriend, went to ikea and bought a load of things.. £12 for a cushion because I liked the designed.. now I'm pretty buzzed off it and have work in two hours.. Lol.. Okay this is stronger than diclazlepam. But I'm just going to take it easy the next few days. Limit myself to 1 at the end of the work day and that will work fine to relax and sleep. Try not to drink at all too as that was becoming a problem since I quit everything else.
I weighed out 10mg btw, took some off and took my time splitting it into 10 equal bits and made 10 bombs. They aren't that strong so I may have taken too much out or its weak powder but it seems to work well enough. As long as I make them when I'm 100% sober and take my time. That's the plan anyway. Thanks for all the advice guys and I will be carful as I can see how strong and easy it is to pop these. More so than diclazepam which I found much much weaker than diazepam which this is far more like.

 

[TheDesignerTester]

I will desolve it when I order some PG. Will normal non nicotine e-liquid work? because I have tones of that lying around.
and is it safe to drink? Or do I have to vape it after being desolved?
No one seems clear on that bit.
Thanks anyway

 

[ashtray girl]

E-liquid is fine, as long as it is just PG (no nicotine, flavourings) - it's safe to drink in the amounts you will be using for etizolam/benzos.

 

[growit&smokeit]

Benzo powders are fucking lethal and I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Sounds like you are heading for a blackout ..

 

[headfuck123]

As others have said, be very very careful. Your best bet is to make a PG solution (yes the e-cig stuff without nic or flavour) with 1mg etizolam per 1ml of pg. You have the powder and PG just get yourself accurate scales and a pipette for accurately measuring the etiz, the PG and then your dose once you have the solution made. If you dont have any issues with anxiety Id suggest you just stay away from any benzo type drug altogether! If you do have anxiety issues only use the least amount you need for whatever situation that may be and I wouldn't use it more than once a week or you risk becoming dependant on benzos which many on here claim to be worse than heroin in terms of withdrawals.

I may sound very patronising or even hypocritical but I learnt the hard way and to this day benzos where one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made.

 

[TheDesignerTester]

As others have said, be very very careful. Your best bet is to make a PG solution (yes the e-cig stuff without nic or flavour) with 1mg etizolam per 1ml of pg. You have the powder and PG just get yourself accurate scales and a pipette for accurately measuring the etiz, the PG and then your dose once you have the solution made. If you dont have any issues with anxiety Id suggest you just stay away from any benzo type drug altogether! If you do have anxiety issues only use the least amount you need for whatever situation that may be and I wouldn't use it more than once a week or you risk becoming dependant on benzos which many on here claim to be worse than heroin in terms of withdrawals.

I may sound very patronising or even hypocritical but I learnt the hard way and to this day benzos where one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made.

Okay I understand. I will try the soloution tomorrow but the bombs I have made are working very well. Even though some will of course be stronger than others. I have been making them so small that a good dose would be two. So I take one and after and hour or two if I feel I need it I'll have another. I do have bad anxiety and insomnia which comes and goes every few weeks.
I know benzos can be very harmful (in terms of addiction and making you think you're normal when to everyone else you're clearly not) and I have to be very careful. I abused Valium and went onto diclazepam due to price and ease of access but that was so weak compared. So I stopped and actually since abusing them, even after a few weeks my anxiety was far better, I felt more confident and it even allowed me to quit weed which has helped even further!

etizs is very strong I can see just from the past two days. So I'll probably give it a break once this powder is gone and probably never buy the powder again.

I feel like I have good control over this as I have learnt from many past experience with other substances. I have learnt a lot of self control while my friends all do the same as me but can't stop. I'm even like that with cigarettes, I smoked for 3 years every day and could just stop any day and wouldn't even crave one.

Thanks everyone for the advice with this one, it's no where near as bad as other people state online, twitching, blackouts. It seems pretty much the same as diazepam in turms of noticeable effects.
I really can't see myself continuing using this one, maybe I'll buy some to keep around in case of a comedown or bad trip if I ever do find myself in that situation again.
Anyway, thanks again to everyone and I hope you all can find a good place for this substance you're happy with if you choose to take it. Beneficial but as with anything, defiantly not for everyone.