Regional Pills/MDMA Discussion: Next Cunt to Name a Naughty Web Vendor Gets Infracted

[crobarkid99]

These red lambos just landed in America and all the info I can seem to find is this Reddit report claiming 200mg. (Probably a vendors claims I'm sure).
https://m.reddit.com/r/MDMA/comments/3blww4/new_red_lamborghini_pill_w_200mg/
Anyway there's no PR reports with valid mg amounts yet so I figured maybe someone over here in this thread may be able to help me out?
If not can someone please help me with some possible recent lab databases results I can search thru? I'm not familiar with any European labs, isn't Safeparty one?? Thnx

 

[Brenner]

Hi People

I know this argument about old and new mdma can run and run but thought I would suggest my 'theory' on a possible explanation.

As a background I have been taking XTC since about 1993 and have taken mdma before and after the so called drought. I would say that 'some' of the new pills do feel the same as the old stuff e.g. First batches of blue ghosts, Pink star of David, Yellow Smurfs etc. I have also had others like the heinekens, yellow superman, nespresso and they do seem to have a different feel to them. Newer pills are by far more pure and clean as I never had anywhere near the harsh comedown as I had back in the late 90's although could have also have been amphetimine and MDA in pills that added to that.

Most people on here will now know that the reason for the comeback of mdma, apart from methadrone being made illegal, was the appearance of a pre-precursor to make the chemicals to make the chemicals that make mdma. PMK glycidate has been the new choice as it was / is semi legal and has been imported from China on a massive scale. Many people in the past have discussed different enantiomers of mdma but it was always accepted that all mdma was racemic (half r and half s).

According to the Global Synthetic Drugs assessment from 2014 the new manufacturing method for both mdma and meth(amphetimine) has evolved with the new pre-precursors using a newer process called P-2-P. When this process is used for meth is produces a less potent version which is a mixture of d-meth and l-meth instead of the more potent version of d-meth which is produced from pseudo ephedrine / ephedrine. Extra steps are then required to produce the potent final version. Say this is the case for mdma but it produces r mdma, which requires a higher dose (say 200mg) and does not have the magic that comes with the better version, which is racemic. Apparently both s mdma and r mdma together give the full effect. Say some chemist donsn't know / don't care about the extra steps and realise that it will test as mdma then you could end up with high dosed pills having 'something' missing! It is also worth noting that the new method with the new pre-precursors can yield about 95% versus around 60% with the old precursors therefore the chemist is getting more end product to put in his pills.

I would add the closest I get to a chemist is the local boots so I can easily be wrong here but it does seem to make sense and also works with some of the recent comments.

Just thought it would be worthwhile putting my 'theory' out.

Cheers

I agree with most of this and its a very interesting subject IMHO. Its just a shame that posts like this get lost in these topics under other peoples "has anyone tried XX pill". I think we need more focus on this subject. What I've noticed from reading around is that when someone tested a 90's pill known to be excellent quality, the result from mandolin was purple, but when we test modern dutch pills it turns black? Also I've spotted that some pills fizz and give off smoke with mandolin (Red Bugattis for example, the round ones) while others don't (Green Heinekens for example). I deffo think there's something different about them...

 

[Tec]

Well how was it?

These aren't the pills you're looking for.

Took about 25 minutes to start coming up, which was pleasant. Within 45 minutes I was a mongy mess just rolling around, it was a huge effort to converse with my closest friends. I was really fucking whacked out... jaw and eyes all over the place, though they were more intense then say a Chupa Chup.

Lasted a while I suppose so there's that, but these can't be the pills BlueBull was talking about.

 

[chojek]

Hi People

I know this argument about old and new mdma can run and run but thought I would suggest my 'theory' on a possible explanation.

As a background I have been taking XTC since about 1993 and have taken mdma before and after the so called drought. I would say that 'some' of the new pills do feel the same as the old stuff e.g. First batches of blue ghosts, Pink star of David, Yellow Smurfs etc. I have also had others like the heinekens, yellow superman, nespresso and they do seem to have a different feel to them. Newer pills are by far more pure and clean as I never had anywhere near the harsh comedown as I had back in the late 90's although could have also have been amphetimine and MDA in pills that added to that.

Most people on here will now know that the reason for the comeback of mdma, apart from methadrone being made illegal, was the appearance of a pre-precursor to make the chemicals to make the chemicals that make mdma. PMK glycidate has been the new choice as it was / is semi legal and has been imported from China on a massive scale. Many people in the past have discussed different enantiomers of mdma but it was always accepted that all mdma was racemic (half r and half s).

According to the Global Synthetic Drugs assessment from 2014 the new manufacturing method for both mdma and meth(amphetimine) has evolved with the new pre-precursors using a newer process called P-2-P. When this process is used for meth is produces a less potent version which is a mixture of d-meth and l-meth instead of the more potent version of d-meth which is produced from pseudo ephedrine / ephedrine. Extra steps are then required to produce the potent final version. Say this is the case for mdma but it produces r mdma, which requires a higher dose (say 200mg) and does not have the magic that comes with the better version, which is racemic. Apparently both s mdma and r mdma together give the full effect. Say some chemist donsn't know / don't care about the extra steps and realise that it will test as mdma then you could end up with high dosed pills having 'something' missing! It is also worth noting that the new method with the new pre-precursors can yield about 95% versus around 60% with the old precursors therefore the chemist is getting more end product to put in his pills.

I would add the closest I get to a chemist is the local boots so I can easily be wrong here but it does seem to make sense and also works with some of the recent comments.

Just thought it would be worthwhile putting my 'theory' out.

Cheers

This seems pretty spot on, and having tried both the Blue Ghosts and Nespressos I can definitely agree with your assessments of them.

Blue Ghosts= magic

Nespressos= something not quite right.

 

[bogman]

This seems pretty spot on, and having tried both the Blue Ghosts and Nespressos I can definitely agree with your assessments of them.

Blue Ghosts= magic

Nespressos= something not quite right.

agree on the Blue Ghosts, only thing is there has being so many different batchs pressed. i must have 6 or 7 different blue ghosts

 

[prsono9]

agree on the Blue Ghosts, only thing is there has being so many different batchs pressed. i must have 6 or 7 different blue ghosts

We had some Blue Ghosts in Ibiza last year and they were nothing like what had been described in advance of us going out, so agree there must have been a number of different presses.

 

[Tec]

Hi People

I know this argument about old and new mdma can run and run but thought I would suggest my 'theory' on a possible explanation.

As a background I have been taking XTC since about 1993 and have taken mdma before and after the so called drought. I would say that 'some' of the new pills do feel the same as the old stuff e.g. First batches of blue ghosts, Pink star of David, Yellow Smurfs etc. I have also had others like the heinekens, yellow superman, nespresso and they do seem to have a different feel to them. Newer pills are by far more pure and clean as I never had anywhere near the harsh comedown as I had back in the late 90's although could have also have been amphetimine and MDA in pills that added to that.

Most people on here will now know that the reason for the comeback of mdma, apart from methadrone being made illegal, was the appearance of a pre-precursor to make the chemicals to make the chemicals that make mdma. PMK glycidate has been the new choice as it was / is semi legal and has been imported from China on a massive scale. Many people in the past have discussed different enantiomers of mdma but it was always accepted that all mdma was racemic (half r and half s).

According to the Global Synthetic Drugs assessment from 2014 the new manufacturing method for both mdma and meth(amphetimine) has evolved with the new pre-precursors using a newer process called P-2-P. When this process is used for meth is produces a less potent version which is a mixture of d-meth and l-meth instead of the more potent version of d-meth which is produced from pseudo ephedrine / ephedrine. Extra steps are then required to produce the potent final version. Say this is the case for mdma but it produces r mdma, which requires a higher dose (say 200mg) and does not have the magic that comes with the better version, which is racemic. Apparently both s mdma and r mdma together give the full effect. Say some chemist donsn't know / don't care about the extra steps and realise that it will test as mdma then you could end up with high dosed pills having 'something' missing! It is also worth noting that the new method with the new pre-precursors can yield about 95% versus around 60% with the old precursors therefore the chemist is getting more end product to put in his pills.

I would add the closest I get to a chemist is the local boots so I can easily be wrong here but it does seem to make sense and also works with some of the recent comments.

Just thought it would be worthwhile putting my 'theory' out.

Cheers

As far as I'm aware (and it's been pointed out by mods on this thread), with MDMA you need to take additional steps to produce s-MDMA or r-MDMA, not the other way around.

I guess I'd follow this up by asking if there's any way at all to test if MDMA is r/s/racemic

 

[chojek]

We had some Blue Ghosts in Ibiza last year and they were nothing like what had been described in advance of us going out, so agree there must have been a number of different presses.

The Blue Ghosts I had in Ibiza in 2013 have probably been my best drug experience of all time. All my mates kept saying they were the speediest and strongest pills they ever had. All I knew is that they felt like pure heaven. The rush off double dropping them is why mdma merits the name ecstasy!

I have never eaten my face off like that ever since. The 14 Ghosts in Ibiza weren't as good.

 

[Grassman]

Anyone had blue instagrams? I've heard they're good.

Also, a mate of mine who knows his stuff had the blue Teslas and said they had old school euphoria, like he hadn't felt for ages. So as far as I know, Orange Lions, AP's and Blue Teslas have all had really good reports, with them feeling less mongy than other recent dutch ones like gold bars etc.

Maybe there's a change in the mdma being made better...?

I don't even bother getting involved in the 'MDMA can be different vs MDMA is MDMA' debate because I've done it so long that I know for sure that MDMA varies in quality. It's always been that way...rushy pills, smacky pills and lovey pills have always been around. Since the drought the quality has generally been low with the odd goodun every now and then. But the last 2 I've had, Lions and APs have been as good as anything I've ever had. And yes, on the whole, the quality used to be better in the old days. Makes me sound like an old git, but it's true.

Anyone remember the drought of 1996? When good pills first came back after that, the mitsis, they were mongy too, just like most recent dutchies, they got better though.

But yeah - anyone had blue instagrams?

 

[honktweetclang]

Has anybody tried the pink 'AP' pills with the serated edge yet? Surprisingly little info over on pill reports... Originating in the Netherlands i believe?

 

[Tec]

Anyone had blue instagrams? I've heard they're good.

Also, a mate of mine who knows his stuff had the blue Teslas and said they had old school euphoria, like he hadn't felt for ages. So as far as I know, Orange Lions, AP's and Blue Teslas have all had really good reports, with them feeling less mongy than other recent dutch ones like gold bars etc.

Maybe there's a change in the mdma being made better...?

I don't even bother getting involved in the 'MDMA can be different vs MDMA is MDMA' debate because I've done it so long that I know for sure that MDMA varies in quality. It's always been that way...rushy pills, smacky pills and lovey pills have always been around. Since the drought the quality has generally been low with the odd goodun every now and then. But the last 2 I've had, Lions and APs have been as good as anything I've ever had. And yes, on the whole, the quality used to be better in the old days. Makes me sound like an old git, but it's true.

Anyone remember the drought of 1996? When good pills first came back after that, the mitsis, they were mongy too, just like most recent dutchies, they got better though.

But yeah - anyone had blue instagrams?

If you know the Lions are great why don't you stick with them?

Noticed this with quite a few people who take MDMA, they find something good then continue to try other presses out. I don't get it

 

[SmokingAces]

I heard word that the yellow snapchats are one of the best pills around right now. Anyone tried them? Mate just got them fresh from the netherlands and its back to £10 a pill?

 

[Digger909]

Ive had blue instagrams. Felt exactly like blue tesla and were the same shade of blue. Came from the same NL source when the tesla production ended so wouldnt be surprised if they were from same pressers using the same mdma.

No euphoria for me on either type of pill but really nice clean roll with minimal comedown.

 

[Grassman]

Tec - I can't get them anymore

 

[SmokingAces]

Need to try the manc pills but people are saying the dutch lions, AP's, instagrams and yellow snapchats are very good pills. I've not tried them was curious though, 250mg mdma is too much.

 

[Tec]

Tec - I can't get them anymore

Fair enough mate! The lesson seems to be stock up nowadayz!

Need to try the manc pills but people are saying the dutch lions, AP's, instagrams and yellow snapchats are very good pills. I've not tried them was curious though, 250mg mdma is too much.

The Lions are meant to be 160-70mg. In my opinion if a pill needs to be 200-250mg then it aint up to scratch, search for the Lions.

 

[Treacle]

Anyone had blue instagrams? I've heardAnyone remember the drought of 1996? When good pills first came back after that, the mitsis, they were mongy too, just like most recent dutchies, they got better

A couple of people on here said the same thing about Mitsubishis, and that they were lacking the energy and magic of late '80s/early '90s pills. They got fobbed off and got told they were just being nostalgic, and losing the magic. One of them was SHM, I know that.

It seemed like 2001 was a good year for me to start taking pills. They were almost always average to excellent quality MDMA/MDA pills, at ridiculously low prices. It sounds like pressers are now taking notice, and are starting to pump out some quality pills. Let's hope we see a massive comeback...

 

[BlueBull]

These aren't the pills you're looking for.

Took about 25 minutes to start coming up, which was pleasant. Within 45 minutes I was a mongy mess just rolling around, it was a huge effort to converse with my closest friends. I was really fucking whacked out... jaw and eyes all over the place, though they were more intense then say a Chupa Chup.

Lasted a while I suppose so there's that, but these can't be the pills BlueBull was talking about.

Ah damn, too bad. I was really rooting for you judging from your explanation, no those weren't the effects I experienced, I was completely clear-headed, not mongy at all

 

[jonoUK]

Just before the mitsubishis came out there was elephants. Fucking incredible pills so they were. Still one of the best I ever had.

 

[PlayHard]

the elephants/jumbo's were indeed smashing pills - 1 of my favourite to be fair.