clephedrone 4cmc legality through europe and other cathinones

[lun]

hi people i know all cathinones are illegal in the uk under the analogue law (what ever it was called) but are cathinones banned through out the whole of Europe? or the usa. iv looked to see but cant find any information, i know china are still making a few different RC's including some cathinones. just an inquiry any info would be nicely appreciated. thanks in advance.

 

[spudgun]

Cathinone and methcathinone are listed in Schedule I of the United Nations 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances. Amfepramone and pyrovalerone are in Schedule IV of that Convention, but other derivatives are not under international control. A few cathinone derivatives are controlled in some Member States under drug control or equivalent legislation, for example: mephedrone (Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Ireland, France, Italy, Lithuania, Romania, Sweden, Croatia and Norway); methylone (Denmark, Ireland, Romania and Sweden); butylone (Denmark, Ireland, Romania, Sweden and Norway); MDPV (Denmark, Ireland, Finland and Sweden); and flephedrone (Denmark, Ireland and Romania). Generic control in the United Kingdom covers a wide group of cathinone derivatives. Mephedrone is controlled under medicines legislation in Finland and the Netherlands and Finland.

By Council Decision of 2 December 2010, 4-methylmethcathinone (mephedrone) was submitted to control measures in EU Member States (2010/759/EU)


Taken from here


Not sure how up-to-date it is. You'd hope it would be kept current, but I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[lun]

thanks for that mate so how did the shops ever get away with selling the "bath salts"?

 

[lun]

im wondering if the "blanket ban" that is used in the uk also affects the rest of europe too. it appears that it does in the USA

 

[spudgun]

thanks for that mate so how did the shops ever get away with selling the "bath salts"?

No probs mate.

My theory is that most of the shops didn't know/care what was in those mixes and if they did for sure and carried on anyway, they could have relied that they could credibly deny all knowledge (if they were unlucky enough that the police could be arsed to test and seek a prosecution). Of course it could be argued that if you're selling mystery powders it's your duty to find out what's in them, but mistakenly breaking the law has got to massively reduce the sentence, I reckon.

 

[JohnnyVodka]

im wondering if the "blanket ban" that is used in the uk also affects the rest of europe too. it appears that it does in the USA

Been a while since I checked, but methylone at least was on sale (presumably legally) from Europe long after meph was banned in the UK and Europe.

 

[ddhats]

Been a while since I checked, but methylone at least was on sale (presumably legally) from Europe long after meph was banned in the UK and Europe.

yes there's a few cathinones still legal in Europe I think. The only ones with an EU-wide ban are 4-mmc and mdpv (if that's even a cathinone?) as far as I know.

You can still get methylone, 3-mmc, pentedrone and doubtless several others like 4-mec etc. I'm sure there's various inconsistencies in legalities across Europe.

 

[lun]

mdpv should be locked in a box and thrown away for ever. im wondering why it tells you what is banned but not what is legal in some countries. this is quite an important question really as i dont want to break any laws i wonder if i should call a european specialist lawyer? i want to try out the new cathinones but dont want to break any laws so would be willing to travel to places where they are legal.

 

[lun]

same goes for apvp, did that once by mistake and didnt sleep for 4 days from one line

 

[mydrugbuddy]

im wondering if the "blanket ban" that is used in the uk also affects the rest of europe too. it appears that it does in the USA

Definately not, it has been possible to get UK banned substances from european vendors for several years after they were banned in the UK. Im thinking of things like methylone, MXE, MDPV etc. Eventually there was an EU-wide ban on PV, but in general every country is responsible for only its own legislation and UK laws do not apply anywhwere else. Some countries have been much quicker to impose a blanket ban than the UK, like Sweden I think, but other countries (im not publically naming them in order to protect the sources) are way more lax than the UK. I think the UK has been one of the slowest countries in the EU to react to legal highs in any meaningful way. Thats possibly partially why we take more drugs than any other country in europe (i think) but there'll be a load of other reasons too.

I'd be interested to find out what proportion of drug users use legal highs, and the proportion that have mostly stuck to the traditional old school drugs throughout. I dont think doing a mini survey on EADD members would be atall representantive, as many members here are drugs nerds, online a lot, and with the easy availabilty of drugs online too, the survey would be too heavily skewed.