Kava vs kratom

[DarkHorror101]

I recently ordered some kava kava powder. I was really wanting kratom for a legal opiate high. Can anyone tell me the differences between the two. Like what the highs are like for each and what is a proper dose of each and best way to administer.

 

[lalapanda]

KAVA is awesome but it has a very horrible downside!! (Liver damage/failure) So please be very careful with that powder!
It's also addicting. But the differences are Kava is similar to the benzos, while Kratom is way more similar to opiates. (I drink Kava tea, but it's just premade tea bags)
I mix my Kratom with Orange Juice. (tastes way better, and works better.) Hope you have a scale for that kava! And dosage varies per person.

I start low and work up on anything I take because who knows how it'll effect me.

 

[Mycophile]

KAVA is awesome but it has a very horrible downside!! (Liver damage/failure) So please be very careful with that powder!
It's also addicting. But the differences are Kava is similar to the benzos, while Kratom is way more similar to opiates. (I drink Kava tea, but it's just premade tea bags)
I mix my Kratom with Orange Juice. (tastes way better, and works better.) Hope you have a scale for that kava! And dosage varies per person.

I start low and work up on anything I take because who knows how it'll effect me.

I'm sorry man but your information on Kava is a bit inaccurate.

First of all, I have never heard of Kava causing physical dependence, in fact it is one of the rare substances where over time you actually need LESS to get you equally high rather than your tolerance getting higher.

This actually causes people to use SMALLER doses the longer they have been using it.

Now, I am not going to claim Kava can't POSSIBLY cause physical dependence because my random guess is that it probably can over time, but in reality almost all substances are at least A LITTLE bit physically addictive in that if you use them too much your body starts to believe it needs it, so probably Kava can be a little addictive, but I've never heard of anyone saying that they are having trouble with Kava addiction.

At the very least it is probably one of the MUCH less addictive substances out there, certainly FAR less capable of causing physical dependence than Kratom.

Also, the most recent studies of Kava seem to strongly indicate that powders which only include the ROOT do not cause liver damage but rather it is the other parts of the plant which cause liver damage and most QUALITY Kava vendors only make powders with the root so if you know your vendor is a good one then you shouldn't be causing yourself any liver damage by drinking their Kava but I'm not entirely sure how you can know whether or not they only use the root other than just trusting what the company says if they say they don't use other parts of the plant.

Maybe someone else has more info on how to be sure your Kava only includes the root.


As for the OP:

Kava is a VERY mild substance and most would agree it is more mild than Kratom.

As far as the highs are concerned I've never actually gotten "high" from Kava, nothing more than a VERY mild relaxing buzz, kind of similar to maybe like some very strong chamomile tea or something like that.

I know that I haven't had the best Kava that is out there and want to find some quality Kava and find out if it is in fact possible for me to get high off of it, but a large percentage of people who have used Kava find it to be unimpressive.

Kratom on the other hand is one of if not my favorite drugs.

It feels sort of like a combination of low dose Vicodin and some strong coffee.

It is unusual because it can feel either a bit like a sedative or a bit like a stimulant.

It is relaxing like all opioids but it also gives you energy and puts you in a good mood and kills pain.

Unlike Kava though it is more addictive and something that you will probably get addicted too if you use it more than like 3 days a week.

Hope that helps.

 

[daytryptr]

I'm sorry man but your information on Kava is a bit inaccurate.

First of all, I have never heard of Kava causing physical dependence, in fact it is one of the rare substances where over time you actually need LESS to get you equally high rather than your tolerance getting higher.

This actually causes people to use SMALLER doses the longer they have been using it.

Now, I am not going to claim Kava can't POSSIBLY cause physical dependence because my random guess is that it probably can over time, but in reality almost all substances are at least A LITTLE bit physically addictive in that if you use them too much your body starts to believe it needs it, so probably Kava can be a little addictive, but I've never heard of anyone saying that they are having trouble with Kava addiction.

At the very least it is probably one of the MUCH less addictive substances out there, certainly FAR less capable of causing physical dependence than Kratom.

Also, the most recent studies of Kava seem to strongly indicate that powders which only include the ROOT do not cause liver damage but rather it is the other parts of the plant which cause liver damage and most QUALITY Kava vendors only make powders with the root so if you know your vendor is a good one then you shouldn't be causing yourself any liver damage by drinking their Kava but I'm not entirely sure how you can know whether or not they only use the root other than just trusting what the company says if they say they don't use other parts of the plant.

Maybe someone else has more info on how to be sure your Kava only includes the root.


As for the OP:

Kava is a VERY mild substance and most would agree it is more mild than Kratom.

As far as the highs are concerned I've never actually gotten "high" from Kava, nothing more than a VERY mild relaxing buzz, kind of similar to maybe like some very strong chamomile tea or something like that.

I know that I haven't had the best Kava that is out there and want to find some quality Kava and find out if it is in fact possible for me to get high off of it, but a large percentage of people who have used Kava find it to be unimpressive.

Kratom on the other hand is one of if not my favorite drugs.

It feels sort of like a combination of low dose Vicodin and some strong coffee.

It is unusual because it can feel either a bit like a sedative or a bit like a stimulant.

It is relaxing like all opioids but it also gives you energy and puts you in a good mood and kills pain.

Unlike Kava though it is more addictive and something that you will probably get addicted too if you use it more than like 3 days a week.

Hope that helps.

What he said, except kratom isnt all that addictive unless you want/need to abuse drugs for some emotional/pain problem.

And good kava is most definitely much stronger than chamomile. Much stronger IMHO.

But not that addictive except to those predisposed to abuse any drug.

 

[Mycophile]

What he said, except kratom isnt all that addictive unless you want/need to abuse drugs for some emotional/pain problem.

And good kava is most definitely much stronger than chamomile. Much stronger IMHO.

But not that addictive except to those predisposed to abuse any drug.

Yeah I haven't gotten addicted to Kratom using it 3 times a week but I think if I used it a lot more I could.

You just need to stay on top of it and cut down if you start to notice any withdrawals.

I know that good Kava is supposed to be stronger than Chamomile but I've just never managed to find any but I think most would agree Kratom is usually stronger.

If you or anyone knows where to find good Kava that is easy to prepare then let me know.

I don't want to have to do a lot of mixing or whatever, I'd just like to be able to plop some in some water or whatever and heat it up and drink it or however it's meant to be done.

I've tried Kava several times over the years and I'm always dissapointed.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Myco is correct about kava's supposed hepatotoxicity, as a matter of fact kava may even possess hepatoprotective properties. Several studies have disproven the idea that kava root is inherently toxic to the liver. Here's an older post of mine on this topic.

It's been disproven by several studies that kava is damaging to the liver and may even be hepatoprotective. The reports of liver damage are believed to be a result of companies using the foliage from parts of the plant that aren't the roots. Apparently certain parts of the kava plant are hepatotoxic but the root bark itself is not, possibly the opposite, so as long as your consuming pure root powder you should have no problems. I'd read the entire study for a better picture, kava apparent reverses diazepam induced liver enzyme spikes which is pretty interesting IMO.

Since kava-containing products were reported to develop liver failure requiring liver transplantation that occurred in some patients, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a consumer advisory in 2002 about the potential risk associated with the use of these products[30]. However, the data presented inTable 1support the potential safety of kava on liver enzymes activity where chronic kava administration elicited no elevation of alanine transaminase (ALT), aspartate transaminase (AST), and alkaline phosphatase (ALP) at the two dose levels.

Noteworthy, it was previously reported that kava, at similar doses to those employed in the current study, did not affect neither liver enzymes nor cytochrome-P450 isoforms[31]. By the same token, Singh and Devkota[32]demonstrated that daily dose of 200 or 500 mg of kava did not alter liver functions manifest as alkaline phosphatase, lactate dehydrogenase nor AST and ALT.

Moreover, Noor (2010) showed not only no change in liver functions but also showed significant reduction in AST and ALT, suggesting not only a lack of toxicity but potentially a hepatoprotective effect of kava[33]. However, one cannot rule out that different extraction methods and the solvents employed in the preparation of kava-containing products might be account for the reported hepatotoxicity associated with kava. Nevertheless, in the current study, the employed kava extract was the aqueous one, which has been shown to exert hepatoprotection[34]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090123213001112

 

[Quicksilver75]

Very interesting about the Kava! I'm always looking for opioid alternatives to get through phase 2 of my PAWS ? I just received my first shipment of Red Dragon Kratom powder yesterday, and I've gotta say...if you can find a reputable vendor, the shit definitely works. Although I'm finding myself having to do a consistent mental & physical analysis throughout the day, and really evaluate the need vs. want factor. I totally agree with what has already been stated regarding this wonder plant! At least in my limited experience with red vein kratom so far, (keeping in mind I've had what I consider to be a heavy, long lived love affair with opiates lol), anywhere from 2-3 grams of the powder takes away the morning stomach cramps, has lowered my anxiety & heart rate, enhanced my mood considerably, and also eases my occipital neuralgia pain. But as previously stated, depending on your tolerance /intentions for using the Kratom, it feels to me as if there's a ceiling to the effects one might feel at higher dosages. If you're used to heavy opiates, it's not going to get you high, but if it's a good strain, it will definitely keep you well enough to function. Just my 2 cents worth ? Hope it helps!