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feel like my life peaked at uni.

One Thousand Words said:
How exactly was hexagram at a disadvantage? He was in the same lecture theatre as the rest of his class, and by his own admission he spent 3-4 years pissing his opportunity against the wall.
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He was at a disadvantage because of the circumstances of birth, and because of not meeting the right people at the right time.
One Thousand Words said:
I suspect too many of you believe in the shackles of class structure to such an extent that it seems to much effort to even get out of bed let alone polish your shoes for a job interview. From experience it is a peculiar British trait to blame the job of ones parents for any short comings in life and easier to simply give up there and then. The only thing that might stop someone from obtaining their dream is wanting to be a member of the House of Lords.
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The class system is alive and well in Britain. Social Mobility -- we've heard of it may as well be the slogan. It is considered socially acceptable in Britain to discriminate against anyone with a pound less than yourself as poor. (This might even be the reason why there is less overt racism and homophobia; when poor white people are suffering as much as poor black people, and poor straight people are suffering as much poor gay people, then it ought to be evident that both skin colour and sexuality are orthogonal to the relationship between wealth and privilege.
One Thousand Words said:
If your life ambition is to reach for the lasers while standing on a floor covered in disco goo, before grabbing a kebab and heading home to smoke a spliff and play Fifa with your impoverished mates, you may as well put a bullet in your head at 28 because your life has well and truly peaked by then. Personally I prescribe to the Wooderson school of L.I.V.I.N my life to the fullest every day and grab any opportunity I can get with both hands. Work hard, play hard. Excuses never solved a problem.
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(Apparent) equality of opportunity is not the same thing as equality of outcome; particularly not in the light that the former is largelly n illusion anyway.
One Thousand Words said:
A lot of this article rings very truth once you start taking ownership of your own destiny
http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-effective-yet-efficient-way-to-get-rich-2
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Taking control of your own destiny is a lot harder when your own destiny hasn't just handed you a massive stroke of luck.
 
BecomingJulie said:
It is considered socially acceptable in Britain to discriminate against anyone with a pound more than yourself.....
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Hypocrisy is pretty strong too.

We still haven't heard what hexagon studied and what his marks were. I'd understand if he holds some limp as shit degree in romantic poetry or scraped a pass. From the opening post it sounds like his decision to socialise in circles non conducive to employment was his biggest failing.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Hypocrisy is pretty strong too.
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Congratulations on managing to make the special effort required to abandon all grasp of the concept of a difference between kicking upwards and kicking downwards.
One Thousand Words said:
We still haven't heard what hexagon studied and what his marks were. I'd understand if he holds some limp as shit degree in romantic poetry or scraped a pass. From the opening post it sounds like his decision to socialise in circles non conducive to employment was his biggest failing.
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I'll have you know, I scraped a pass degree (couldn't even fail properly). Thing is, I managed somehow to pick up enough street smarts along the way to get by (The Montoya Method™: act like you've got a clue whilst acquiring one). And just when I was about to hit rock bottom, someone threw me a lifeline.

The difference between us, I think, is that I understand that any hard work it may have taken me to get from there to here (and was it even hard anyway, considering that I enjoyed the living daylights out of every minute?) would never have meant a thing without that one stroke of sheer, blind luck that enabled me to do that hard work. You don't seem even to acknowledge your own lucky break.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Hypocrisy is pretty strong too.

We still haven't heard what hexagon studied and what his marks were. I'd understand if he holds some limp as shit degree in romantic poetry or scraped a pass. From the opening post it sounds like his decision to socialise in circles non conducive to employment was his biggest failing.
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Your biggest failing is your failure to acknowledge you were just lucky. Your posts are hardly enlightening dude, you're just a guy with a big ego and not much else. What does your company actually do?
 
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/678527-so-i-ve-failed-uni

hexagram said:
just found out today that I failed every module (only just though).

It wasn't the right course for me at all, there are people who really suit that sort of thing but I unfortunetly wasn't them, but it's still two years down the shitter with nothing to show for it.
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Soz for dragging that up, but I had to double-check if it was the same hexagram, as I was confused when you wrote you had finished studying
 
Fuck me... It takes some serious effort to fail a degree - Christ, you only need 40% to scrape by - even as a 'mature' student I was a serious waster (heroin, with heavy personal and financial issues toboot), and still managed a Desmond. Respect dood...

Not that it did me any good mind you - having not been born into the correct social strata with no financial safety net or knowing the right people, or indeed any lucky breaks...
 
Dark Side said:
Your biggest failing is your failure to acknowledge you were just lucky. Your posts are hardly enlightening dude, you're just a guy with a big ego and not much else. What does your company actually do?
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BecomingJulie said:
The difference between us, I think, is that I understand that any hard work it may have taken me to get from there to here (and was it even hard anyway, considering that I enjoyed the living daylights out of every minute?) would never have meant a thing without that one stroke of sheer, blind luck that enabled me to do that hard work. You don't seem even to acknowledge your own lucky break.
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Luck?? People make their own luck.

All I see here is one very hard-working, successful guy, who's always been diligent and positive throughout his life and got himself into a great place... and then other less successful, jealous people, who only have themselves to blame for their lacklustre lives... trying to dismiss his success as "luck" to justify their own failings to themselves.

Time to grow up and face up to the truth. Success is earnt.
 
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hexagram said:
While I was studying I was cool as hell. Drugs were new and exciting, I went out raving every weekend, acid trips in the sun with friends. I had a large social network and a smoking hot girlfriend who I partied with all the time.

Since I finished a year ago I haven't been able to find a proper job, most of my friends have moved away and my girlfriend just went back home (she was the year below me.) I've wasted so much time getting high and this year, although I have had some amazing drug experiences, I now honestly have little interest in getting high anymore, which I never thought would happen.

My hope is that I can find a job and move up to be with my girl. If I lived with her and worked a semi-decent job, that would be great. It would be starting to build an actual adult life, instead of just trying to be a student forever.

And this is just a semi speed/ booze induced ramble but whatever.
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I think thats quite a common feeling amongst graduates. Universities tend to fill students heads with the idea that a degree will be a pathway to a fantastically interesting and rewarding career. And ime it tends to leave you feeling more than a bit disillusioned for some time when you realise this isn't automatically going to be the case for everybody. The lucky ones are those that have some kind of 'mentors' in life, someone with relevant experience who can give them helpful pointers if not actual promising starter jobs. Not everyone is lucky enough to know these kind of people.

Iirc Tony Blair or someone else in his government wanted 50% of young people to go to university and get a degree, which was just one of his many very wrongheaded ideas imo. If 1/2 people have a degree, then its not going to be of any value atall, which is why so many graduates these days have to take jobs in call centres and the like. And some of these people are exceptionally bright, friendly, and non-fucked up, and even they cant get what you might call a decent job. It used to be about 10-20% of some of the academically brightest youngsters went to uni, now i think its around 35-40%. Sorry if this post is a bit pessimistic and negative, its just been my experience, as it seems to me at the moment.
 
Raasyvibe said:
Luck?? People make their own luck.
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Everybody who I have ever met who has ever uttered that phrase, found a good-sized chunk of ready-made luck some stage in the past. Everyone. I got where I am today because someone offered me a chance at success. I am not saying there was no hard work involved on my part; but without that one act of kindness, I would surely have ended up a homeless crackhead, dead by my 35th birthday.
Raasyvibe said:
Time to grow up and face up to the truth. Success is earnt.
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Maybe, but it's a simple fact that all the hard work in the world isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, if you don't get the right break in the first place. And it rankles with me when people like OTW fail to acknowledge their own breaks.
 
^Tru dat Julie! All my mates at school were middle class wasters who got bought cars, clothes, holidays abroad etc. by mummy and daddy on demand. I, on the other hand, worked every school holiday from the age of 15 to buy clothes and fund my leisure activities while they bummed about getting pissed and writing off car after car, safe in the knowledge they would get another bought for them. I worked hard at school and got good exam results, but after a year at art college had to leave to work full time while they got shit grades and either played at being hippies in squats ( phoning the folks for more money when things got a little difficult), or got bought into university where they continued to bum about. Guess which of us is the more successful now? Yep, they're all living comfortable middle class lives having inherited loads of dosh from rich relatives or been fast tracked into plush jobs by 'someone my dad knows', while I'm still working all the time trying to keep my head above water. I'm not saying I've never had a chance, I've just never been in a position to make the best of any opportunity, or had the guidance to even recognise an opportunity if it slapped me in the face. When you spend your whole life trying to clamber up the wall, you never get to see what's on the other side..
 
Ismene said:
Not too many "successful" people to admire is there? Like Steve Jobs? Enriching himself on the backs of brutalised chinese children working in his factories that he pays a fucking pittance to?
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if you choose to limit your thinking like this, of course your vision will be limited. if you have a problem with steve jobs, don't pay attention to steve jobs. pay attention to somebody you like and respect.
One Thousand Words said:
For me it was Sir Edmond Hilary's biography. Leonardo Di Vinci is pretty epic too
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yep. i can also heartily recommend Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage - the story of sir ernest shackleton's attempt to cross the antarctic. an incredible story of human endurance and the will to succeed and a very inspiring tale.

op, surround yourself with successful people you respect and learn from them. what do you want to do? what does success look like to you? make a plan to make that happen an execute it.

i know a lot of people in here dislike otw - and can't see past that - but it's hard to argue with some of the advice he's giving:

"A degree gets you past HR, your skills and work ethic will get you noticed by the real decision makers."
"You need an idea of where you are heading though."
"Reality is you should never stop learning."
"... it's important to constantly upgrade your knowledge."

you can let life happen to you or you can make it happen - whatever that means to you.

alasdair
 
Yup...

And if you're lucky enough to be born on top of the wall, you can afford to make a few fuckups along the way down to the other side because you have the natural momentum (gravity) to get there. If you're not born on the wall, and never get a leg up, you're fucked..


Edit: As I get older, Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' has ever increasing significance to me - I didn't really understand the metaphors at the time, but by golly, I certainly do now..

Incidently, I have some souvenir pieces of the wall from their Earles Court gig in 1980, do you think if I performed a ritual burning of them I might achieve 'success'? ;)
 
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alasdairm said:
i know a lot of people in here dislike otw - and can't see past that - but it's hard to argue with some of the advice he's giving:

"A degree gets you past HR, your skills and work ethic will get you noticed by the real decision makers."
"You need an idea of where you are heading though."
"Reality is you should never stop learning."
"... it's important to constantly upgrade your knowledge."
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Very rarely is everything someone says entirely wrong. OTW is no exception and the quotes you use are testament to this. However.

OTW sees the world in a very narrow, functioning organism perspective. There is only one way, his way. He refuses to acknowledge conflict that is many people's reality, because it is not his reality. And he refuses to acknowledge breaks he himself must have had to get where he has. Inequality is desirable to the system he supports, and its ramifications seem lost on him. Everyone can not do what he has done, because the very fundamentals of the system he champions mitigate against this. A pyramidal hierarchy by definition leaves a wide base of people unable to achieve through meritocracy alone.

Add in to the mix the outright bs he talks

Personally I prescribe to the Wooderson school of L.I.V.I.N my life to the fullest every day and grab any opportunity I can get with both hands.
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(while posting over 20000 posts on a drugs forum that obviously show this line to be sanctimony of the highest order)

and you see why some people - most people - call him out for being the charlatan he is.
 
I was born a bastard child from an affair in a small town of less than 10000 people whose two biggest claim to fame was apples and a psychiatric prison.

As a kid I witnessed a Maori gang member be beaten to death by another gang with baseball bats and a machete. We then had to have police protection during the trial.

The morning of my final university exam I was in the high court of Australia, facing down lawyers from the tax department without legal representation for a debt my father passed onto me after I signed a letter as soon as I turned 18. They couldn't serve an arrest warrant in the chambers because of some legal technicality, so after an hour of questioning I excused myself to go to the bathroom, escaped down the fire well and ran across the city to sit a 3 hour surgery exam followed by a 45 min viva. I was lucky to score a high distinction.

Fast forward 5 years and I returned to Australia needing surgery after my rugby contract was torn up, only to find my father had forged my signature and stole $50 000 of my savings to pay off his before mentioned tax debt. Rather than have surgery I had to find a job. Even to this day I have no feeling in the little fingers of my left hand.

I lost my job a week before my wife was due to give birth to our second child. I spent the first month of my sons life knocking and ringing every practice in the city, begging for a chance to work.

My whole life I was told I was too small or too slow for rugby. I was one of 7000 applicants vying for a course that only accepted 48 students. I could only afford one text book in 5 years of university. I choose to photocopy pages from books in the library and spent my money on drugs and alcohol. I guess I could be thankful for all that good fortune in my life but I'd rather be thankful I wasn't bought up a fucking whinging pussy.
 
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